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How testing failures allowed coronavirus to sweep the U.S.

Hicup said:
Yes he is... He's not infallible ya know.

Banning European travel and Chinese travel are precautions and good ones. This virus will kill a lot of older American's, we care about them as well. The rest of us will be fine.

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That ship sailed before trump banned travel from the EU.

It's here. It is highly contagious. A large percentage of those who are infected will be contagious for 14 days with few or no symptoms.

The cat is out of the bag.

The genie is out of the bottle.

Pandora's box is open.

Its too late to bar the door.

The only saving grace is it is only killing the old and infirm.

The problem is they will all most likely get exposed at this point. If not this season then next. And that's assuming we get a "season", which is not guaranteed at this point.

Its not time to panic.

It is time to be grownups and deal with the reality at hand and not the one we wish it was.
 
JackA said:
Which means the goal is to avoid contagion. Widespread testing likely would have alerted the public that the virus was in their midst and we would have seen an earlier curtailment of large group gatherings and public events and more serious attention to precautions such as hand washing and avoiding close contact.
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And less need for more global mitigation. If it could have been gotten ahead of we would have a more accurate picture.

Alas. At this point we're all John Snow.
 
Rollin'Da64 said:
This is beans and bullets time.

90%+ of medical supplies, including the mass production of surgical masks, anti-biotics AND Flu/Virus/etc test kits are made in CHINA.
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Nah.

But I would expect a fairly solid economic hit and some unnecessary deaths due to our sluggish response.
 
jamesbyoung said:
Your reply is silly. Trump has failed, and you are supporting that failure.

Let's hope somebody puts some spine into his jello back today.
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He has not failed. You only have allegations, based on bigotry and partisan hatred.

This would most certainly be a disaster if Hillary was in charge.
 
Kreton said:
It certainly does. Knowing who has the virus is absolutely critical in not spreading it. Science and logic are not political.
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Every single outbreak novel or movie hinges on containment activities.

This ain't an alien concept, even to those who may not know much about the subject beyond what they've seen in films.

Can you imagine how much **** we would be in if it was more lethal with the same long contagious incubation period and a lower number of asymptomatic carriers?

We failed to "catch" this. We contained exactly jack ****. Get read for the shock when they finally do start testing and start providing actual numbers and estimates of rates of infection. All over the country.
 
Lord of Planar said:
He has not failed. You only have allegations, based on bigotry and partisan hatred.

This would most certainly be a disaster if Hillary was in charge.
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Time to admit that trump hasn't gotten anything right.
 
Rollin'Da64 said:
This is beans and bullets time.

90%+ of medical supplies, including the mass production of surgical masks, anti-biotics AND Flu/Virus/etc test kits are made in CHINA.
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The WHO tests were made in Germany.
 
prometeus said:
Actually he did and the current asshole disbanded it.
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Yup.

Can't get away from that. It was Bolton, turns out.

But that is exactly the executive level response team that would almost certainly coordinated a better response, beginning shortly after the Wuhan outbreak. All that preliminary work taking stock and making plans to respond to shortfalls.

Hell, some coherent approach to containment. Something beyond keeping people on ships to keep the numbers down. Or waiting until April and going to work sick until then. Because you'll get better.

Most likely.

He did have a hunch, after all.
 
Erod said:
People have to seek testing, and it wouldn't have made a lick of difference.

Thus orchestrated narrative isn't believed by anyone.
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Had tests been available the spread could absolutely have been reduced. Because the people in the areas that needed to know would have.

Now we wait to see how far it has already spread and whether our healthcare infrastructure can handle it.

It was almost certainly going to become pandemic. The only thing we ever had any control of was how quickly.

We missed that opportunity.
 
What if...? said:
Had tests been available the spread could absolutely have been reduced. Because the people in the areas that needed to know would have.

Now we wait to see how far it has already spread and whether our healthcare infrastructure can handle it.

It was almost certainly going to become pandemic. The only thing we ever had any control of was how quickly.

We missed that opportunity.
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Testing would only matter if a significant portion of the seemingly unaffected population was tested, so we are speaking of probably at least 10 million tests.

How about applying some statistics, and tell me I'm wrong.
 
Erod said:
People have to seek testing, and it wouldn't have made a lick of difference.

Thus orchestrated narrative isn't believed by anyone.
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Lol countries that had testing fared better than us. Antivax logic...
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
This is entirely on the Trump administration. Why would the US decline to use WHO test kits even as a temporary measure before the CDC developed their own tests?

How testing failures allowed coronavirus to sweep the U.S. - POLITICO

Why the United States declined to use the WHO test, even temporarily as a bridge until the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention could produce its own test, remains a perplexing question and the key to the Trump administration’s failure to provide enough tests to identify the coronavirus infections before they could be passed on, according to POLITICO interviews with dozens of viral-disease experts, former officials and some officials within the administration’s health agencies.
The slowness of the testing regimen — which, administration officials acknowledged this week, is still not producing enough tests to meet the national demand — was the first, and most sweeping, of many failures. So far there have been confirmed cases in at least 23 states, and at least 15 deaths, while the stock market plunged and an otherwise healthy economy braced for a major disruption.
But neither the CDC nor the coronavirus task force chaired by Vice President Mike Pence would say who made the decision to forgo the WHO test and instead begin a protracted process of producing an American test, one that got delayed by manufacturing problems, possible lab contamination and logistical delays.
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Sweeping the U.S.? We have fewer than 2,000 cases and 41 deaths. The first case was recognized in the U.S. January 19, 2020. He had traveled to Wuhan, China and return to the U.S. January 15.
I always hear "words are important", this is true and how we choose those words during this virus outbreak matters. We have too many who are deliberately encouraging a panic situation. Good healthcare and precautionary measures are necessary but politics continues to play too much of a part in this.
 
jamesbyoung
Your reply is silly. Trump has failed, and you are supporting that failure.

Let's hope somebody puts some spine into his jello back today.

Lord of Planar said:
He has not failed. You only have allegations, based on bigotry and partisan hatred.

This would most certainly be a disaster if Hillary was in charge.
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Oh, stop it:) The hatred is primarily from the alt-right and those supporting Trump. I do agree that Hillary would be as disastrous as Trump.

The Emergency Powers was certainly a step in the right direction
 
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