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Trump address sparks chaos

We are looking at simple competence here. President of the United States of America Donald Trump gave a scripted speech. The script contained a number of errors of fact. President Trump read it anyhow.

'Nuff said.
 
Captain Adverse said:
As we can see by the responses to your OP so far, as usual the dedicated members of the "Orange man Bad!" team opine...he's damned no matter what he does.
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No, he's damned because he keeps screwing up.

I notice you still have your lean as left libertarian despite constantly supporting and defending Trump, who is a right-wing authoritarian.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Do the math. 1/3 of America could be infected. 2% death rate. 109,000,000 * 2% = 2,180,000 people dead. That's not a major health threat to you?
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It's 218,000. Few extra 0's there. I don't think we're looking at 1/3 of the population infected, but still quite a number.

This seems like a pretty good link for a data synopsis of the severity:

How does the new coronavirus compare with the flu? | Live Science

Honestly, I think anything ANYONE says right now is going to get criticized.
 
On the unlikely chances this hasn’t come up already, Trump has businesses in the UK and Northern Ireland, the exceptions to Trump’s travel bans.

Glad to look out for number one during a global pandemic.
 
jwzg said:
It's 218,000. Few extra 0's there. I don't think we're looking at 1/3 of the population infected, but still quite a number.

This seems like a pretty good link for a data synopsis of the severity:

How does the new coronavirus compare with the flu? | Live Science

Honestly, I think anything ANYONE says right now is going to get criticized.
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Why do you not think that as many as 1/3rd of the country is already infected? Bonus question: what mechanism will prevent the worst case scenario, which is 70% of the population getting infected?

Also, Kyayembii’s math seems to be correct.
 
jwzg said:
It's 218,000.
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Incorrect. 2% of 109 million is 2.18 million.


I don't think we're looking at 1/3 of the population infected, but still quite a number.
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Somewhere around 40 million Americans got the flu last year. So, if we don't take the right precautions, the toll could be very high.

And don't forget that somewhere around 30% of people who contract COVID-19 require hospitalization. That's nothing to sniff at.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Do the math. 1/3 of America could be infected. 2% death rate. 109,000,000 * 2% = 2,180,000 people dead. That's not a major health threat to you?
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Who makes body bags? I need to buy some of their stock
 
jwzg said:
It's 218,000. Few extra 0's there. I don't think we're looking at 1/3 of the population infected, but still quite a number.

This seems like a pretty good link for a data synopsis of the severity:

How does the new coronavirus compare with the flu? | Live Science

Honestly, I think anything ANYONE says right now is going to get criticized.
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Up to 150 million according to this:
Up to 150 million in US expected to contract coronavirus, congressional doctor says

109 million is conservative.

2% death rate on 109 million infected is 2.18 million people dying, not 218,000.
 
Captain Adverse said:
"This man is not fit for the job, and he never was." :roll:

That has been the opine since before he was elected.

Yet IMO your side of the argument continues to ignore all facts in order to maintain this viewpoint. Instead you buy into the non-stop propaganda efforts demonstrated by over 90% negative press. The psychic shock of a guaranteed win turning into a massive loss back in November 2016 has created a deeply rooted confirmation bias.

Also ignoring the fact that this is the prime reason people who support this Administration have been digging in deeper.

It's not that we don't see his faults. It's that we don't see his faults as being as debilitating as you seem to. That is because despite all odds he has been doing like any one of us would were we President. That is to say, we can identify with a novice who is bullish in doing the best he can against an entrenched establishment to keep his promises no matter what.
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Of course what he "promised" is what conservatives have been conditioned to want, on the behalf of the donor class.

The only thing he really accomplished was a massive tax cut for folks who didn't need one and who did what was predicted: lined their pockets with it.
 
Rickeroo said:
You do have a point. As I watched it though, I didn't come away with a trade ban, as he began with the term "travel". If he wanted to ban trade with Europe, one would think that he already would have banned trade with China.
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If I have a point, because, you know...that’s what trump said...then you have a lot of gall accusing people who took his words at face value of having “below median IQ.” You owe everybody an apology. Not that I actually expect you to give such an apology, but it would be the decent thing to do.
 
Captain Adverse said:
"This man is not fit for the job, and he never was." :roll:

That has been the opine since before he was elected.

Yet IMO your side of the argument continues to ignore all facts in order to maintain this viewpoint. Instead you buy into the non-stop propaganda efforts demonstrated by over 90% negative press. The psychic shock of a guaranteed win turning into a massive loss back in November 2016 has created a deeply rooted confirmation bias.

Also ignoring the fact that this is the prime reason people who support this Administration have been digging in deeper.

It's not that we don't see his faults. It's that we don't see his faults as being as debilitating as you seem to. That is because despite all odds he has been doing like any one of us would were we President. That is to say, we can identify with a novice who is bullish in doing the best he can against an entrenched establishment to keep his promises no matter what.
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How's your 401k doing today, CA? Doing quite well, I presume? ;)
 
Kreton said:
The main thing to take from his speech last night is that Trump is finally taking this virus seriously. This is an important step. Trumpers will believe what Trump tells them too. So Trump telling them to take it seriously will mean that far more of the country is going to start getting serious about this. The possibility of limiting and/or slowing the spread here is absolutely dependent on every American taking it seriously and taking precautions. Another good thing here is that hopefully now that Cpt Cheetoh is taking this seriously I hope that we see more investment into fighting it. Vaccines and treatments, testing kits, medical gear and supplies ect are needed.
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Just a week ago, he was saying that we have 15 cases and that will decline to zero in a week.

The main thing to take away is that he has no clue. He's viewing this as an economic problem that could be cured with tax-cuts. His closing off travel from Europe, except for the UK, makes no sense either. The UK has cases in proportion to the rest of Europe. Moreover, travel restrictions are closing the barn door after the horses got out. We already have loads of people infected. Italy went from a few cases to full country shutdown in three weeks. S. Korea is testing 10,000 ppl a day. The U.S. has tested 10,000 ppl total.

The markets are showing how they have no faith in his leadership.
 
CNN is the #1 enemy of the United States. Period.
 
Phys251 said:
How's your 401k doing today, CA? Doing quite well, I presume? ;)
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Look how giddy you people are. You'd happily kill half the planet to beat Trump.

This whole thing is exposing you for exactly who you really are.
 
Torus34 said:
We are looking at simple competence here. President of the United States of America Donald Trump gave a scripted speech. The script contained a number of errors of fact. President Trump read it anyhow.

'Nuff said.
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Hence the corrections that had to be issued. You don't inspire much confidence if you don't get a prepared statement wrong. A speech isn't the right place to get into all of the logistical details of how your plan is going to work, but your executive summary should at least be on point. That the health insurance industry, Homeland Security, and Trump himself had to chime in and correct elements of the speech doesn't instill confidence to either the people or the markets.
 
Just when we need stable, decisive leadership...we get the babbling incompetent trump
 
Erod said:
CNN is the #1 enemy of the United States. Period.
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The news media doesn't help, but a president who can't disseminate correct information doesn't either. It's a perfect storm of bad scenarios in an already tough situation.
 
Erod said:
CNN is the #1 enemy of the United States. Period.
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Right wingers believe the first amendment is the enemy now.
 
Erod said:
Look how giddy you people are. You'd happily kill half the planet to beat Trump.

This whole thing is exposing you for exactly who you really are.
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Is this the new plan? Any time someone points out something bad is happening, that means they want that bad thing to happen? This apply to you, too? If you ever even talk about a natural disaster, it means you wanted that natural disaster to happen, right?
 
vegas giants said:
Just when we need stable, decisive leadership...we get the babbling incompetent trump
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In fairness, he does better when he sticks to the script. I was just grateful he didn't go off script last night because it's in those situations that he tends to not make sense or say incorrect things. Somehow, him and his administration seemed incapable of stating correct information there either.
 
MTAtech said:
Just a week ago, he was saying that we have 15 cases and that will decline to zero in a week.

The main thing to take away is that he has no clue. He's viewing this as an economic problem that could be cured with tax-cuts. His closing off travel from Europe, except for the UK, makes no sense either. The UK has cases in proportion to the rest of Europe. Moreover, travel restrictions are closing the barn door after the horses got out. We already have loads of people infected. Italy went from a few cases to full country shutdown in three weeks. S. Korea is testing 10,000 ppl a day. The U.S. has tested 10,000 ppl total.

The markets are showing how they have no faith in his leadership.
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I disagree. Trump saying this is not a threat, will die off in summer ect was extremely dangerous. Now he is taking it seriously. Like I said before, this is an incredibly important step. We need Trump to take this seriously. We need him to be taking action.

I am not claiming the perfect solution has been presented. I am not saying nothing more needs to be done. What I am saying is that Trump's stance last night and Trump's stance 2 weeks ago are not the same. I would much rather have him taking it seriously than dismissing it. Now we have to encourage him to continue on the path he started on last night and keep moving in the right direction rather than turning this into us vs them (public vs government). We need to unite. Doesn't mean I want anyone to vote for him, doesn't mean I approve of his performance or want a 2nd term for him. I don't on all counts. But I do believe in times of crisis of this magnitude that unity is more beneficial than hostility.
 
Erod said:
Look how giddy you people are. You'd happily kill half the planet to beat Trump.

This whole thing is exposing you for exactly who you really are.
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You see that, everyone? That is what Trump supporters have stooped to. They don't care that their Dear Leader has completely failed to say and do the right thing during this crisis. They don't care that the things that could have slowed down the outbreak--more testing and more isolation early on--were **** on by this complete moron in the White House.

We have suspected that they would take this country over a cliff for him. Now we know. :shrug:
 
Captain Adverse said:
As we can see by the responses to your OP so far, as usual the dedicated members of the "Orange man Bad!" team opine...he's damned no matter what he does.
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More like for HOW he tries to do things... first he contradicts the Federal Health Officials, then slams the door on Europe without considering the people who would be stranded in a foreign country. Some shoot from the hip, some from the lip, but he prefers to shoot from the gut (most of us call that farting in public) The impact on the economy and that odd feeling he is slamming the gate closed after the horse got out (or in this case the virus got in) seems to not be on his agenda but with any lucj saner folks will set the process.

So our refrain is more like the "Orange Man STUPID!"... :peace
 
Deuce said:
Right wingers believe the first amendment is the enemy now.
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CNN is not the press. They are a coordinated enemy of the United States. Have they not proven that to you by now?
 
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