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Fox News Buisiness host says 9/11 couldn't possibly have been done how we're told

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Fox News Buisiness host says the 9/11 attack couldn't possibly have happened the way the government told us....he does not believe the governments account of the 9/11 attacks

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Fox Business host Andrew Napolitano revealed on Tuesday that he does not believe the government's account of the 9/11 attacks. Napolitano, who hosts "Freedom Watch" on Fox Business and is frequently seen on Fox News as a legal analyst, told radio host Alex Jones — who is a prominent 9/11 conspiracy theorist —that the attacks "couldn't possibly have been done the way the government told us."

There is more on it at this link to the huffington post

Andrew Napolitano, Fox Business Host, Reveals He Is A 9/11 Truther
 
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again CD, opinion. where is the proof? The core words are "he does not believe ". Until proof comes out it is all speculation.
 
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Speculation is all conspiracy nutjobs have. It's what they live for.

No, what is fact is that NIST finally conceded that for 17 floors the WTC building fell AT freefall speeds (within 3%). They did not concede the implications of that fact, which was EITHER, their models were WRONG, or the laws of physics somehow changed.

End of story. NIST lied. So, there's NO official explanation except what was pushed in the media, and what fills the debunker websites.

That alone justifies a new investigation.
 
No, what is fact is that NIST finally conceded that for 17 floors the WTC building fell AT freefall speeds (within 3%). They did not concede the implications of that fact, which was EITHER, their models were WRONG, or the laws of physics somehow changed.

End of story. NIST lied. So, there's NO official explanation except what was pushed in the media, and what fills the debunker websites.

That alone justifies a new investigation.

and no "truther site" has lied or misrepresented data? That alone justifies putting the 9/11 issue to rest. What I thought was being debated was the Fox News Buisiness host statement and stance on 9/11. It was challenged that it was the persons opinion and not fact. The reason for this is no new evidence was provided.
Nice redirect though.
 
and no "truther site" has lied or misrepresented data? That alone justifies putting the 9/11 issue to rest. What I thought was being debated was the Fox News Buisiness host statement and stance on 9/11. It was challenged that it was the persons opinion and not fact. The reason for this is no new evidence was provided.
Nice redirect though.

No need exists, in the real world, for any sort of new investigation.
 
No, what is fact is that NIST finally conceded that for 17 floors the WTC building fell AT freefall speeds (within 3%). They did not concede the implications of that fact, which was EITHER, their models were WRONG, or the laws of physics somehow changed.

End of story. NIST lied. So, there's NO official explanation except what was pushed in the media, and what fills the debunker websites.

That alone justifies a new investigation.

I rest my case.
 
and no "truther site" has lied or misrepresented data?

Relevance?

That alone justifies putting the 9/11 issue to rest.

Unfortunately, the govt / NIST is expected to operate at a HIGHER standard, so the point only works the one way... further, no 'truther' organization was funded to perform the investigation. They just made NIST admit that they were either a) lying, or b) re-writing physics to suit their theory... but whichever the case this is a failure on their behalf.

What I thought was being debated was the Fox News Buisiness host statement and stance on 9/11.

His stance, to paraphrase : WTC7 COULD NOT have fallen as the government explained it did... I explained, simply and concisely the point that HE was basing that on.

It was challenged that it was the persons opinion and not fact. The reason for this is no new evidence was provided.
Nice redirect though.

Not a redirect, I pointed out the facts on which his opinion was based. The only redirect is that you're saying this was a 'debunking' based on new information... this is just another journalist that's turned the corner and openly tested the reaction he would get for questioning the official 9-11 fable.

I rest my case.

You sound even more retarded then the post #6. You have to MAKE a case in order to 'rest' it.

I didn't just walk up and declare victory, i made my case, as you should have before attempting to declare victory.
 
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I cannot believe how much energy 9/11 Truthers put into this conspiracy theory. Waste of time.
 
...their models were WRONG, or the laws of physics somehow changed.

Seriously, stop with this one. You sound retarded. "The laws of physics changed, wah"... "they're rewriting physics". Trying learning about physics first, then maybe you can grasp something as complex as the WTC collapses.



So. With that in mind, tell me why a PORTION of the building falling at freefall is "out of the ordinary". What law of physics is being broken and/or rewritten? If the north face is being pulled down by the internals and the south side, it can even EXCEED g. The above video shows how and why.

Again, what is the problem with a PORTION of the building falling at freefall? What?
 
The relevance of stating that truther sites have also lied or misrepresented data is you can't believe them. This is the stance you have taken against the govt. report by stating it lied.
 
No need exists, in the real world, for any sort of new investigation.

Now that is just an absurd statement. Anyone who even bothers looking at all the evidence would have to agree that there are things that merit looking into. It is one thing to say there is no conspiracy, but it is another entirely to suggest the previous investigation resolved everything.
 
Seriously, stop with this one. You sound retarded. "The laws of physics changed, wah"... "they're rewriting physics". Trying learning about physics first, then maybe you can grasp something as complex as the WTC collapses.



So. With that in mind, tell me why a PORTION of the building falling at freefall is "out of the ordinary". What law of physics is being broken and/or rewritten? If the north face is being pulled down by the internals and the south side, it can even EXCEED g. The above video shows how and why.


I sound retarded and THIS is your explanation why it's ok that the building collapsed within 3% of gravity??

As for your example : first, nothing fell 'faster then g', that's impossible without an extra force. Second, this example does not have any 'work' being performed (aside from the work of pushing the air out of the way). Third... well, you're getting the idea.

Again, what is the problem with a PORTION of the building falling at freefall? What?

This is so simple I'd be embarrassed to pass this off if I had any expertise in physics whatsoever (something I'm not claiming, I claim to have a high school level grasp of physics).

G - 3% = acceleration of the collapsing structure for 17 floors that could be measured accurately with the film footage (there are angles where that could increase to 25-30 floors, but the video is so shaky that it'd be nearly impossible to measure accurately).

That was of the building collapsing through itself... in other words work was being performed to pulverize concrete, break support structure, etc.. SO, NIST is telling the world that for a mass to pulverize concrete only uses the energy equivalent of 3% of gravity.

I can't quantify the energy it takes to pulverize concrete, but I've WATCHED a 1ftX1ftX1ft pile of concrete be pulverized into dust and rocks... and THAT took close to 20 man hours working with a jackhammer.

Now, since you claim that NIST is correct, do you have ANY video evidence which supports their story?? That the building collapsed from East->West progressively ? (The direction is more arbitrary, the point being from one side to the other progressively).

Now, how does that fit in with previous examples; like, how come the OKC building didn't collapse completely?? There was collapse of the structure that was damaged, but everything else remained structurally sound (though hardly safe)... and that was a MUCH bigger hole then was broken into the side of the WTC building.

Finally, this concession ALSO proves that they were previously lying in their analysis ANYWAY because they claimed that the building collapsed within 40% of free-fall (an extra 5 seconds of collapse time)... the way they performed this was PROVEN to be that NIST had used an ARTIFICIAL collapse start time in order to get the 40% resistance.

End of story, they have lied, it doesn't matter which angle you take... they either lied about the length of the collapse, the acceleration rate of collapse, or they just lied by creating a computer simulation that was based on the desired results rather then any actual scientific investigation...
 
The relevance of stating that truther sites have also lied or misrepresented data is you can't believe them. This is the stance you have taken against the govt. report by stating it lied.

I'm not talking about ANY truther sites... I was talking about the concession that was forced on NIST by 'truthers'. So, it doesn't matter any more how many hookers a truther might have hired, NIST conceded the flaw in their analysis WITHOUT discussing the implications of that concession.

It's like someone poisons your dog and the dog dies, then to get a person who denied poisoning the dog to say 'ok, fine I poisoned your dog, but I still had nothing to do with the dog dieing.' COME ON.

Let's push this a step further : Why do you find it acceptable that NIST is being shown to be corrupt, YET it is completely unacceptable for a true expert in a relevant field to point out that corruption without being blanket slander because someone else that's pointed it out before once punched a hooker??

(The statements about hooker hiring / punching is to demonstrate the ad hom and not a statement in support of hiring or violence against hookers)
 
I'm not talking about ANY truther sites... I was talking about the concession that was forced on NIST by 'truthers'. So, it doesn't matter any more how many hookers a truther might have hired, NIST conceded the flaw in their analysis WITHOUT discussing the implications of that concession.

It's like someone poisons your dog and the dog dies, then to get a person who denied poisoning the dog to say 'ok, fine I poisoned your dog, but I still had nothing to do with the dog dieing.' COME ON.

Let's push this a step further : Why do you find it acceptable that NIST is being shown to be corrupt, YET it is completely unacceptable for a true expert in a relevant field to point out that corruption without being blanket slander because someone else that's pointed it out before once punched a hooker??

(The statements about hooker hiring / punching is to demonstrate the ad hom and not a statement in support of hiring or violence against hookers)

A better comparison, imo, is the police find a dead body with a gunshot wound and a knife wound. Original findings was the gs wound was fatal. Later it was decided that the knife wound was the fatal blow. Either way the person was dead.

BM, I like your thoughts, but if I was to wager, you have never ever investigated a major accident. If you had you would not go down some of the thought trails that you do. I read some of your points, yet the are so minor in the final outcome. Until proven otherwise, Jets hit building, building burned, building collapsed, people died. end of story.
 
I cannot believe how much energy 9/11 Truthers put into this conspiracy theory. Waste of time.

unlike the rest of us, they have little to fulfill their lives, give them purpose and meaning... so they latch onto crap like this. Sad really.
 
Now that is just an absurd statement. Anyone who even bothers looking at all the evidence would have to agree that there are things that merit looking into. It is one thing to say there is no conspiracy, but it is another entirely to suggest the previous investigation resolved everything.

What should have been written above:

Now that is just an absurd statement. Anyone who even bothers looking at all the opinions and believes them would have to agree that there are things that merit looking into. It is one thing to say there is no conspiracy, but it is another entirely to suggest the previous investigation resolved everything.

100% of all that is rendered by truthers are opinions
 
Until proven otherwise, Jets hit building, building burned, building collapsed, people died. end of story.

Except the story does not begin with the jets hitting the building. You should seriously look into the background of Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid Al-Midhar, especially look at the circumstances of their activities in the U.S. This involves some of those facts that demand further investigation.
 
No, what is fact is that NIST finally conceded that for 17 floors the WTC building fell AT freefall speeds (within 3%).

What complete and utter guff B'man ... this whole thing comes about from Chandler and truther sites claiming (falsely as it happens) that they "forced" NIST into conceding this information.

But the simple REALITY is that NIST had ALREADY put that infomation out ... Chandler and truther promotors are outright LYING when they say they were the authors of that ... and because, once AGAIN, you automatically believe their claims you take it as gospel and do not check up first.

For if you did check up B'man ... it is easy to see that NIST had already made mention of this freefall period in even the DRAFT version of NCSTAR 1-9 published in AUGUST 2006 inviting public comment.

Draft Report NIST NCSTAR 1-9: “Structural Fire Response and Probable Collapse Sequence of World Trade Center Building 7”, issued August 21st 2006 ... NCSTAR 1-9 Vol 2 Chapter 12.5.3 ... to be exact ...

•In Stage 1, the descent was slow and the acceleration was less than that of gravity. This stage corresponds to the initial buckling of the exterior columns in the lower stories of the North face, as seen in Figure 12-62. By 1.75 s, the North face had descended approximately 7 ft.

In Stage 2, the North face descended at gravitational acceleration, as exterior column buckling progressed and the columns provided negligible support to the upper portion of the North face. This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t=1.75 s and t=4.0 s.

•In Stage 3, the acceleration decreased somewhat as the upper portion of the North face encountered resistance from the collapsed structure and the debris pile below. Between 4.0 s and 5.4 s, the Northwest corner fell an additional 130 ft.


http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR 1-9 Vol 2.pdf

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/WTC7_News_Briefing_082008.pdf

Chandler brought up this point during the PRESS CONFERENCE which was AFTER publication of the DRAFT, a draft report which took years to collate, so this information was ALREADY at NIST's hand and being looked into ... yet Chandler first spoke of it on August 28th during the press conference ... a full SEVEN DAYS later !!!

Have you ever realized that Chandler was ONLY responding to information ALREADY out there ... and that he is outright lying when he says he forced them to admit it ... it is shown in his OWN words when he made reference to the draft itself !!!

But please, do feel free B'man to show how it is possible to "conceed" information already in existance ... show exactly how Chandler forced them to conceed information already published to the public ???

They did not concede the implications of that fact, which was EITHER, their models were WRONG, or the laws of physics somehow changed.

What implications B'man ... now I know that you run away from such specifics all the time ... use science B'man for this is ABOUT science and, as such, waffling esoteric about stuff does not answer specifics ... science deals with facts and calculations ... so show them.

You've got your great "expert" high school teacher, the erstwhile Chandler, whom should have made it easy for you ... so how about explaining EXACTLY what implications there supposedly were and how YOU take from that the NIST models are wrong or that laws changed.

Do you just automatically believe "because" it is truther claims or have you genuinely examined them in detail and with at least a little understanding of the science involved ...

Somehow I suspect the former !!!

End of story.

For Chandler ... yes !!!

Does it not strike you that this man (in common with all twoofies) has such compelling and damning "evidence" and yet does NOTHING with it except whine on the internet ???

Surely such important information SHOULD be presented firstly to legitimate scientific scrutiny first ... outside the US to guarantee impartiality would be a good first step ... so WHY has he NOT done than ???

Surely such important information SHOULD be used in lawsuits and such like instead of endlessly just paraded across multiple YooToob accounts doing nothing real but massaging the self-congratulatory egos of truthers ???

This is something else you entirely dodge B'man the WHYS of how your movement is doing NOTHING about all its information and "evidence" ... YooToob, blogs and forums ... how exactly is that progressing what you ultimately want, which is Bush & Co's heads on plates ???

What does endless internet bleating actually achieve at the end of the day ... even just personally B'man you have spent years passionately arguing this here and what have you achieved ... has ANYBODY ever been persuaded by your arguments ... are you (personally and as a movement) ANY closer to what you want ???

The answer is NO !!!

So do you still not think that as a movement it would serve you better to get more real than internet whining ... it hasn't actually got you very far after all ... so would appealing to more authorative people not be a better strategy ... would actually, instead of you whining here, would it not serve your cause more to contact them and try to get a more professional, more co-ordinated impetus going ... would you not be doing something more real and worthy by contacting the various disparate little groups and getting them organized to get REAL scientific backing for all their sciency claims ???

If this is such an important cause for you why are you wasting time and effort trying to convince people you never will be able to ... ever ... of the veracity of your claims ???

NIST lied.

Where ???

Please point out these "lie"s then ... pages and paragraphs ... should be a dawdle since your so adamant ... show these lies or admit you are regurgitating without double-checking what conspiracy sites tell you ???

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9_Vol1_for_public_comment.pdf

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9_Vol2_for_public_comment.pdf

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9A_for_public_comment.pdf

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf

Have you actually read the report proper B'man ... or just the FAQ's bits ???

Give it a read ... show the moral and intellectual courage to actually FULLY read what you so readily call as wrong ... it's well sourced and referenced, has a thorough table of contents and a logical flow to its organization.

It'll take you about a week ... it's worth it, and even has a logical explanation of WHY that freefall period occured !!!

AE911Truth.INFO : Freefall Speed





So, there's NO official explanation except what was pushed in the media, and what fills the debunker websites.

What official explanation ... just how would you catagorize a 10,000 document full of calculations and mathematics if not as a piece of research ...

How do you find it so easy to dismiss such a huge investigative report done by over 200 PhD's from across many disciplines ... from far and wide and private and federal companies ... instead preferring amateurs such as Chandler and Gage ???

Is it just because NIST's report is too difficult so rather than try fully understand it, it is easier to dismiss ???

Personal ignorance is no grounds for dismisal of information that you clearly cannot make head or tail of ... perhaps B'man the fault lies with yourself for letting personal ignorance deny reality as it preserves ego ???

That alone justifies a new investigation.

Please explain how you falling for false information and errant claims of truthers is a justification for a new investigation ???
 
first, nothing fell 'faster then g', that's impossible without an extra force.

What? The cup fell faster than the ball... g.

G - 3% = acceleration of the collapsing structure for 17 floors that could be measured accurately with the film footage (there are angles where that could increase to 25-30 floors, but the video is so shaky that it'd be nearly impossible to measure accurately).

8 floors bub. You sure love taking half truths and running with them, don't ya?
 
What complete and utter guff B'man ... this whole thing comes about from Chandler and truther sites claiming (falsely as it happens) that they "forced" NIST into conceding this information.

But the simple REALITY is that NIST had ALREADY put that infomation out ... Chandler and truther promotors are outright LYING when they say they were the authors of that ... and because, once AGAIN, you automatically believe their claims you take it as gospel and do not check up first.

For if you did check up B'man ... it is easy to see that NIST had already made mention of this freefall period in even the DRAFT version of NCSTAR 1-9 published in AUGUST 2006 inviting public comment.

I see... so, we're just making stuff up now??? I mean, this has only been brought up several dozen times and just now you come up with this??

Draft Report NIST NCSTAR 1-9: “Structural Fire Response and Probable Collapse Sequence of World Trade Center Building 7”, issued August 21st 2006 ... NCSTAR 1-9 Vol 2 Chapter 12.5.3 ... to be exact ...
...
In Stage 2, the North face descended at gravitational acceleration, as exterior column buckling progressed and the columns provided negligible support to the upper portion of the North face. This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t=1.75 s and t=4.0 s.
...
http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR 1-9 Vol 2.pdf

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/WTC7_News_Briefing_082008.pdf

Is there any actual EVIDENCE to suggest this is the case beyond their computer models? It's like with global warming, you can make a computer model come up with any result you want.

But seriously, the fact that 17 floors (and yes it's 17 floors that were measured, and it was straight free-fall - 3%) That explanation was based on flawed data that amounts to including the time that the penthouse dropped... I'll continue this thought further up.

Chandler brought up this point during the PRESS CONFERENCE which was AFTER publication of the DRAFT, a draft report w... it on August 28th during the press conference ... a full SEVEN DAYS later !!!

Have you ever realized that Chandler was ONLY responding to information ALREADY out there ... and that he is outright lying when he says he forced them to admit it ... it is shown in his OWN words when he made reference to the draft itself !!!

But please, do feel free B'man to show how it is possible to "conceed" information already in existance ... show exactly how Chandler forced them to conceed information already published to the public ???

I suppose you should back up this case, because that sounds made up from my perspective.... he made a video of the sequence, so I don't know what to say...


What implications B'man ... now I know that you run away from such specifics all the time ... use science B'man for this is ABOUT science and, as such, waffling esoteric about stuff does not answer specifics ... science deals with facts and calculations ... so show them.

Blah blah blah you're smart enough you KNOW EXACTLY what I'm talking about. You're verinage demolitions see collapse rates of 40% of g... meaning that 60% of g is transformed into the 'work' of crushing through the lower part of the building. IN the case of wtc7, the result was 97%.

Also where did they come up with this 'wobble effect' in the later video it's like a blip, you can barely tell if it's camera shaking or legitimate building movement.

You've got your great "expert" high school teacher, the erstwhile Chandler, whom should have made it easy for you ... so how a...ws changed.

Well, simple, pointing out NIST's failure to show their work.

The implications are that MORE ENERGY was 'spent' in the collapse then was 'input' by gravity... which makes it physically impossible, just as much as it's impossible to pour 2 cups of water out of a 1 cup container.

Do you just automatically believe "because" it is truther claims or have you genuinely examined them in detail and with at least a little understanding of the science involved ...

No, I didn't take a religious viewpoint like you've taken with NIST's flagrantly false accounts. Which pains me to say because they are generally a respectable organization.

Does it not strike you that this man (in common with all twoofies) has such compelling and damning "evidence" and yet does NOTHING with it except whine on the internet ???

How come you weren't harassing NIST to show their work and prevent the ammo given to those that might piont out these only thinly veiled flaws in their account??

Surely such important information SHOULD be presented firstly to legitimate scientific scrutiny first ... outside the US to guarantee impartiality would be a good first step ... so WHY has he NOT done than ???

because it doesn't matter, people are slandered BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEFS and not because their beliefs fail to pass any scrutiny. You're guilty of this constantly... so any denial is that you simply don't even realize your dependence on this flawed logic.

Surely such important information SHOULD be used in lawsuits and such like instead of endlessly just paraded across multiple YooToob accounts doing nothing real but massaging the self-congratulatory egos of truthers ???

Remember, you were proud when the lawyers who spoke out for 9-11 weren't going to take any cases.

This is something else you entirely dodge B'man the WHYS of how your movement is doing NOTHING about all its information and ...heads on plates ???

Just because you cannot comprehend what is being done, does not mean that it's not happening.

What does endless internet bleating actually achieve at the end of the day ... even just personally B'man you have sp...guments ... are you (personally and as a movement) ANY closer to what you want ???

On occasion a person lets me make my case coherently... for example, talking to a local bank manager when I was asking 'tough questions' about specific investments, when people nearby started raising those issues the man got scared and ran away. He KNEW what was going on if he let me engage him, especially within earshot of other customers. On 9-11 issues, MOST people that read the context of PNAC's document give the 'holy sh&t' type of response.

Beyond that... especially NOW, something happens, one of the 'white hats' on site, without me even mentioning reads about the korean situation and says : I bet the US was behind this one, they always make money when conflict breaks out. (and that was without ever even talking to him on such subjects because he came off as one of those people where they will just blanket call you a kook and get the glazed over eyes)

So do you still not think that as a movement it would serve you better to get more real than internet whining ... it ...disparate little groups and getting them organized to get REAL scientific backing for all their sciency claims ???

No, I'm just happy to offset the consistent lies I get from those that are anti-truth.

If this is such an important cause for you why are you wasting time and effort trying to convince people you never will be able to ... ever ... of the veracity of your claims ???

I pretty much let the documents speak for themselves... like I said, most people that can string a thought together get a 'holy sh&t' moment when they read PNAC's RAD document, and the aftermath of their writing this before 9-11.

Where ???

Please point out these "lie"s then ... pages and paragraphs ... should be a dawdle since your so adamant ... show these lies or admit you are regurgitating without double-checking what conspiracy sites tell you ???

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9_Vol1_for_public_comment.pdf

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9_Vol2_for_public_comment.pdf

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9A_for_public_comment.pdf

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf

Have you actually read the report proper B'man ... or just the FAQ's bits ???

No, I've read through the report, and it's utter fail... it doesn't take into account any facts that might have even SUGGESTED an alternate explation, etc... and the veiled unmentioned assumptions that are IMPOSSIBLE (IE : total fireproof removal, equal heating of all steel, and complete symmetrical failure as a result )

Give it a read ... show the moral and intellectual courage to actually FULLY read what you so readily call as wrong ... it's well sourced and referenced, has a thorough table of contents and a logical flow to its organization.

It'll take you about a week ... it's worth it, and even has a logical explanation of WHY that freefall period occured !!!

It had about 17 floors of free fall because there was NO SUPPORT STRUCTURE FOR 17 FLOORS at least. Just 1 column disappears and suddenly the entire super-structure falls in on itself in a neat pile ready for cleanup.

Yup. I don't see how I could have seen it different... oh wait, no, 17 floors because of 1 column on like the 6th floor... I'm sorry, but no... I don't buy that for a second... buildings are not put together that cheaply... not with so many millions of dollars at stake and reputations...


www.letsmakeup9-11lies.orgisthemostreliablesourceouthere.com



This guy doesn't total fail, just at a few key spots he says those same things that every debunker ends up saying and it's like 'no, that statemtne there is a fairy tale'

What official explanation ... just how would you catagorize a 10,000 document full of calculations and mathematics if not as .....ch as Chandler and Gage ???

Because I know when someone's lying to me. Allright... you deal with people and you see who is shady, and who is doing their best to be straight laced honest characters. Look at the smug attitude with the leader of this parade of con-men when he was presented with the facts about the molten material.

Is it just because NIST's report is too difficult so rather than try fully understand it, it is easier to dismiss ???
No, because when it takes over-lapping layers of coincidences everywhere for your explanation to make sense, it starts to sound like those morons who think they are in less trouble showing up late with a rediculous story about how they have the most elaborate excuse out there that's clearly false.

Personal ignorance is no grounds for dismisal of information that you clearly cannot make head or tail of ... perhaps B'man the fault lies with yourself for letting personal ignorance deny reality as it preserves ego ???
Listen to your own advice.


Please explain how you falling for false information and errant claims of truthers is a justification for a new investigation ???
I know, you love corruption like that and will defend it to no end.

Because there's easily 20 different and clearly verifiable reasons why there should be a new investigation according to our current legal standard.

you might benefit from learning a bit about how 'psyops' work.
 
No, I've read through the report, and it's utter fail...

- total fireproof removal
- equal heating of all steel
- complete symmetrical failure

The only fail going on here is you first trying to say you have read the report, and then listing proof that you have not. Why are truthers in general so scared of actually reading the NIST report? Start with 1-9 Vol. 2 Chapter 12.
 
Here is an interview of a survivor and witness who specifically says and explains in detail how many bombs went off like firecrackers in the Tower before collapse...

 
Once again, here a explosive type noise does not in fact prove explosives. I have heard explosive sounds on forest fires, which there is no use of explosives. Youtube clips are getting very old as a source of evidence.
 
Once again, here a explosive type noise does not in fact prove explosives. I have heard explosive sounds on forest fires, which there is no use of explosives. Youtube clips are getting very old as a source of evidence.

He specifically points out many explosives were going off on the support columns before the collapse even began...
 
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