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Reconciliation Act H.R.4872 Brings Microchipping to America

There is no such language in the final bill, nor is there any section with that number.

The link in the article goes to a previous draft version.

And the interpretation of this language, which was not in the final bill anway, is (shocking, I know) completely loony and has no basis in reality.
 
BmanMcfly said:
You're misapplying the 'slippery slope' fallacy... If I had said, implanting people with microchips could lead to a situation where it becomes mandatory... that would be the fallacy, I was explaining the process used in countless different matters in order for the majority of people to gradually come to accept something that they otherwise would not accept initially if offered as a whole.
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You spent an entire paragraph spelling out a slippery slope.

Ok... fine... data mining programs have never existed and will never exist... better?
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Not what I claimed. I said there is no good evidence that I am aware of to support a large datamining operation aimed at the US population currently in effect.

You're grasping here... I'm trying to explain the bill section the OP referred to is so ambiguous as to what the new system IS that it COULD be a system that has a special microchip implanted into a persons arm, or implanted into a card they keep in their wallet... what's clear is that a new system for medical data is called for, the implementation of this system is made quite ambiguously so it could be any number of potential systems and still fall within what is defined in the law.
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Yes it COULD be, but it could also be a dog with your medical history file on a collar around it's neck but that probably isnt the case. Speculating does nothing unless you have something to back it up.

Well... the first example would be the 240 marines lost in Beirut just 24 hours prior to Grenada. To name just one example.
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Where did you read this?

Ok, anyone with a mouse can find out that the group exists, how it got started, and maybe a few notable members.... beyond that, it becomes a matter that is mostly disinformation or legitimately baseless information mixed in with what is accurate so that it is intensely difficult to know what is true... and I'll leave it at that, because ultimately all that I know with reasonable certainty about the illuminati is pretty mundane and less then secret.
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It's not uncertain, it was a culmination of several protests that got conservative media outlets attention and then mainstream news mistook it for real news.

Just to note, it's not the technology that is the 'beast', but that when this technology (and other conditions in essentially all religious texts (as far as I'm aware)) that are effectively signs of the 'end times'... I mean, it's only groups like the Amish that reject all technological advancement beyond 'beasts of burden'.
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There's been an outcry from the luddites since the Industrial Revolution at every new technological advance and it being "a sign of the end times!" You'll forgive me if I tend to ignore that kind of rhetoric.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
right, if you want to talk of having balls in your mouth, I suggest the sex and sexuality forum....


if you want to discuss the tea party like an adult drop the vulgar idiocy and using a childish excuse for incivility....
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Take it up with your other teabaggers, dont blame me for the names you use for yourselves.

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Hoplite said:
Not what I claimed. I said there is no good evidence that I am aware of to support a large datamining operation aimed at the US population currently in effect.
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Read the patriot act... the section on 'total information awareness'.

Yes it COULD be, but it could also be a dog with your medical history file on a collar around it's neck but that probably isnt the case. Speculating does nothing unless you have something to back it up.
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All we have to go on is an ambiguously written section that's been passed into law (though if the person afterwards is accurate in saying that this section isn't in the bill, then it's all moot... until next time)

Where did you read this?
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Beirut Memorial On Line - History | Reagan's Speech - Reagens address to americans following. Note the date : Oct 27, 1983. the sunday prior that he was talking about Oct 23.

Now, the invasion of Grenada :
The U.S. Invasion of Grenada

Oh, I was wrong it was 48 hours later, so, Reagan essentially 'wagged the dog' by turning an embarrassment into a story about the US liberation of grenada... I was 1 at the time, so you'll have to forgive me not knowing the level of success this had in the minds of the people.

There's been an outcry from the luddites since the Industrial Revolution at every new technological advance and it being "a sign of the end times!" You'll forgive me if I tend to ignore that kind of rhetoric.
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Agreed, it's a call that's made FAR too often based on religious rhetoric... actually having read the relevant sections of the bible, many of the conditions at the industrial revolution didn't even meet half of the the conditions laid out in the bible as the 'end times'... (which isn't even technically 'end times' because after the tribulations are 1000 years of peace... which would require survivors)

Anyway, the point being it's not something necessarily that should be ignored completely, just as it shouldn't be accepted blindly...
 
I am really not sure how this is going to pan out. I mean, the introduction of EHR and EMR itself triggered a revolution amongst many. Eventhough EHR and EMR were good for keeping the medical records and making things easier. But EHR and EMR have slowly began to be accepted by many. And maybe microchiping will also be accepted after some tough fight. And just to make a point i am also against microchipping..








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samanderson said:
I am really not sure how this is going to pan out. I mean, the introduction of EHR and EMR itself triggered a revolution amongst many. Eventhough EHR and EMR were good for keeping the medical records and making things easier. But EHR and EMR have slowly began to be accepted by many. And maybe microchiping will also be accepted after some tough fight. And just to make a point i am also against microchipping..








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https://blueehr.com/
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This thread is six years old. Not sure how it will turn out? You have a microchip yet? No! YOU DONT.
 
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