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Was the landing of the Apollo 11 false?

I will keep searching for scientific published articles that the moon landing was faked.
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That info is controlled. Here's something you should check out.
Forums - View Single Post - The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

They don't allow objective analyses that prove the government lied in science journals.

An issue I have with the Collins Jacket example in post 312 is it does not follow the scientific method.
- It is not the same material, same jacket design worn in each example
- Not the same environmental conditions (air movement, body movement, etc)

Now if you could take the same jacket and person and demonstrate on earth the movement. Then take the same clothing and person into space and conduct the same movement. It would help the truthers case. But we know that is not going to happen.
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Here's the issue so the viewers can see what this is about.
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Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip.
Apollo_11__The_TV_Transmission_Conspiracy_Theorists_Hate_.mp4 - YouTube
(00:52 time mark)

The corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.

Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
Discovery Crew Enters International Space Station - YouTube

That is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.

The movement of Collins' jacket corner is very different from that of the straps in this clip which is in zero-G.
Our World: Exercise Equipment - YouTube
(3:17 time mark)

It looks the same as the movement of this guy's jacket corners in gravity.
ISS space station treadmill running - YouTube

One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.
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I hanged a loose jacket on a coat hanger and bounced it up and down and exactly duplicated the movement of Collins' jacket corner here on earth. Sorry but that anomaly is simply too clear to obfuscate.

This answer would get you laughed out of the debating hall. Jay Windley's credibility is a bonafide Apollo-related issue and I say he was caught in a lie. What do you think of Jay Windley's response to this issue?
I am not in a debating hall, I am arguing with a troll. I say he has highly experienced engineering qualifications and if he says something is the case, it pretty well always is so. If you want to do debate halls and laughter, I followed the circular trail of spammed forums you posted on and notice how your answers have the foresight and intellect of a 10 year old, and more often than not you completely ignore damning questions. You wouldn't even get in a debate hall.
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What you're doing is avoiding the issue because you know Jay Windley was wrong and he knew he was wrong. That's another issue that's simply too clear to obfuscate so you have to duck it and hope I forget about it.

Here it is again.
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I asked Jay to address this issue.
JREF Forum - View Single Post - Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

Here's his response.
JREF Forum - View Single Post - Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga
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Stop ducking it and address it. Do you agree with Jay Windley?
Clavius: Conspiracy - about the author

The Chinese didn't fake their spacewalk,
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You just destroyed your credibility. Here's a link to the info so the viewers can see what this is all about.
Man has landed on the Moon. July 20, 1969. Sir, questions, sir. - Page 12

Please explain how wave blowers achieve neutral buoyancy and give me some examples.
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This isn't the proof I put forth. The proof I put forth is the bubbles and the buoyant safety cables and the fluttering flag (see above link).

In one of the videos in the above link the wave blowers were offered as the explanation of why the bubbles go in different directions.

Please explain how the heck you can say that this is a bubble, it is just so obviously a lump of space debris.
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Watch it here at the 3:09 time mark.
Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk (Part 2) - YouTube

It behaves exactly like a bubble. It follows the visor upward until it's able to straight up the way a bubble would. A piece of space debris wouldn't do that.
 
Scott:
You make statements you can't prove or care not to provide evidence. example "They don't allow objective analyses that prove the government lied in science journals."

Your quote is so telling of a strategy used by "truthers". Thanks for sharing. For example: With your statement the nanothermite issue on 911 is put to rest because the findings was published in an open scientifc publishing company. Since the govt. allowed it to be printed/published it must not be true because it goes against the govt. findings.

Your example about the jacket doesn't hold up because of differnt material, different environmental conditions.. It is an apple to orange comparison.

One person on youtube complaining about govt control of publication. You confinced me.:mrgreen:
 
Scott said:
Here's the issue so the viewers can see what this is about.
Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip.
Apollo_11__The_TV_Transmission_Conspiracy_Theorists_Hate_.mp4 - YouTube
(00:52 time mark)

The corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.
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There is never enough time in the day to get through to the spammer who does this nonsense on every forum on the internet. I shall leave it to the man who took you to the cleaners and left your argument in tatters.

Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax: Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket

Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket

My first refutation of your claims is to highlight what you call an "anomaly" with Michael Collins' Jacket.
I have seen numerous claims where you compare the motion of his jacket to ISS footage and make associations that any differences in movement are indicative of gravity. That in itself is a self supporting argument, since your assessment is wrong in the first place.
I am now presenting a video series I put on youtube to specifically debunk your argument, with descriptions of what each video demonstrates.

Video 1

Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket - YouTube

In this video, I show the footage in question. The major part of the movement of his jacket is caused by a semi rigid plastic hose holding an attachment (with mass) at waist height, being moved away from and back towards him. The contact causes the jacket to naturally ripple and flex.
The video also highlights a bulging of his jacket, at the back and on his shoulder area. In itself a clear sign that the jacket's Earth weight does not pull the air out, but rather, a lack of weight holds it in place.

His arms are vertical and against the bulkhead above him, to counter his natural upwards motion in zero-g whilst jogging. This is effectively transferring his momentum from one direction to another in a short space of time and repeatedly. I highlight the flexing of his body, his laterally twisting torso, and the upward and downward motion of his legs. All of this activity creates air movement, though slight, that also has a contributary effect.

Video 2

Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket part 2 - YouTube

In this video, I concentrate on the motion in zero-g of Collins' identification tags (dogtags). The video highlights a very fleeting glimpse of the tags, shows them hovering in front of his neck, and moving side to side along with the lateral motion of his shoulders and neck. I have also slowed the footage down.

Video 3

Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket part 3 - YouTube

In this video, I address the issue of the cuffs supposedly always resting on his wrist. There are clearly instances, when the opposite is true. That is, the sleeves are puffed up with air and floating as they would in zero-g.

Video 4

Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket part 4 - YouTube

In this video, I show again the dogtags clearly floating, numerous times, zoomed in, and with a frame extract of all frames in the sequence. I demonstrate with back to back repeats, the sideways motion.

Video 5

Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket part 5 - YouTube

In this last video, I concentrate on isolating the signs of weightlessness and showing the numerous comments made on the videos. The comments in themselves, demonstrate a complete non-understanding of science, they contradict each other and quite frankly are absurd.

Summary:

When the jacket moves, the corner moves. When rippling occurs, the tendency of a fabric would be to unripple, since it is not it's natural state. When contact occurs from an object it will give momentum to the jacket, when the object swings away, it pulls the fabric back. The swinging object will cause gentle air currents which will have a minor effect. The movement of the jacket in and out will also produce small air currents.

In addition to the swinging object, we have the lateral motion of his torso as each knee comes up alternately. We have the upward motion it induces, followed by immediate downforce as he pushes with his arms on the bulkhead above. We have even more lateral and vertical rotation in his shoulders as his knees come up and arms push down. The semi-rigid hose is what is causing the attachment to impact his lower jacket, as it pulls on it. It also flexes with his body motion and causes it to swing inwards and outwards.

The jacket has clearly air buffered at the back, because of earlier movement in the cabin with it unfastened. Jackets do not puff up and billow like that in gravity - it is a clear sign of zero-g. Weight will pull the fabric downwards and much tighter against a body where gravity is in effect

Every single thing involved in his movement has momentum that affects his jacket. I will leave you with just the two comments from my videos, made by the user youtube and forum spammer Cosmored.....

"Collins' jacket corner bounces up and down the way it would in gravity"

Then in reply to my video showing the puffed up back and shoulders of his jacket:....

"In zero-G the jacket would be bouncing up and down on his back if it were loose"

To anybody with rationale, logical thought, with even mild powers of discernement, I would say that fairly conclusively closes the door on that little piece of the "mountain of evidence".
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NEXT!!!!


Scott said:
This isn't the proof I put forth. The proof I put forth is the bubbles and the buoyant safety cables and the fluttering flag (see above link).

In one of the videos in the above link the wave blowers were offered as the explanation of why the bubbles go in different directions.


Watch it here at the 3:09 time mark.
Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk (Part 2) - YouTube

It behaves exactly like a bubble. It follows the visor upward until it's able to straight up the way a bubble would. A piece of space debris wouldn't do that.
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It also behaves like an object in space with static electricity. Anyone with a braincell can see that the 'bubble' when zoomed in and slowed down is actually a piece of space debris and it is rotating. You actually never had any credibility in the first place and are not qualified to bestow it or take it from others.

The crowning glory of your whole Chinese faked spacewalk crap is that the film was made by a pro-Apollo supporter!! LMAO:lamo
 
Scott said:
That info is controlled. Here's something you should check out.
Forums - View Single Post - The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

They don't allow objective analyses that prove the government lied in science journals.


Here's the issue so the viewers can see what this is about.
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Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip.
Apollo_11__The_TV_Transmission_Conspiracy_Theorists_Hate_.mp4 - YouTube
(00:52 time mark)

The corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.

Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
Discovery Crew Enters International Space Station - YouTube

That is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.

The movement of Collins' jacket corner is very different from that of the straps in this clip which is in zero-G.
Our World: Exercise Equipment - YouTube
(3:17 time mark)

It looks the same as the movement of this guy's jacket corners in gravity.
ISS space station treadmill running - YouTube

One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.
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I hanged a loose jacket on a coat hanger and bounced it up and down and exactly duplicated the movement of Collins' jacket corner here on earth. Sorry but that anomaly is simply too clear to obfuscate.


What you're doing is avoiding the issue because you know Jay Windley was wrong and he knew he was wrong. That's another issue that's simply too clear to obfuscate so you have to duck it and hope I forget about it.

Here it is again.
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I asked Jay to address this issue.
JREF Forum - View Single Post - Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

Here's his response.
JREF Forum - View Single Post - Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga
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Stop ducking it and address it. Do you agree with Jay Windley?
Clavius: Conspiracy - about the author


You just destroyed your credibility. Here's a link to the info so the viewers can see what this is all about.
Man has landed on the Moon. July 20, 1969. Sir, questions, sir. - Page 12


This isn't the proof I put forth. The proof I put forth is the bubbles and the buoyant safety cables and the fluttering flag (see above link).

In one of the videos in the above link the wave blowers were offered as the explanation of why the bubbles go in different directions.


Watch it here at the 3:09 time mark.
Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk (Part 2) - YouTube

It behaves exactly like a bubble. It follows the visor upward until it's able to straight up the way a bubble would. A piece of space debris wouldn't do that.
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So what you are saying is that without any Actual (its all being kept secret right? Plus doctored vids on youtube are irrelevent) proof or motive you think that there may be a conspiracy?
 
Scott:
Me thinks you have been outted.
"This Blog is a straight reply to duplicate posts made by one person on hundreds of forums. Each section is covered in full with links to the right for each topic. Various Userids: Cosmored / Fatfreddy88 / David C / Rocky / Scott"

Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax
Seems someone has answered all your questions.

As they say "their is nothing new under the sun". Lets put this Ct rest.
 
Heh. I just laughed my way through this bit of moonbattery (pun intended):

As I said above, if someone were to try to come forward, he'd be risking his career and maybe even his life. Then, the press would ignore him.



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Q: Why do prominent astronomers like Sir Bernard Lovell and Patrick Moore support the Moon landings if they were faked?

A: Scientists and astronomers around the globe know full well that the Moon missions were faked, but rely on NASA to gain access to the vital data beamed back to Earth from the Hubble space telescope. They cannot slag off NASA otherwise NASA would deprive them of this essential information, which they so much require.
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Q: What about the vast number of people involved in Apollo, wouldn’t someone have spoken out.

A: Pan’s claim there were half a million people involved in the Apollo program, but that includes all the humble engineers working on machine parts in many companies around the globe. So if someone is making a part in some engineering factory in Seattle, and his boss tells him it’s for the Apollo spacecraft, is that engineer proof the landings took place? No of course it is not proof, and even if that engineer knew they never made it to the Moon, he would still brag to his friends that he made a part that went to the Moon just to make him feel proud in some way or other. Parts for the Apollo program were made at many different factories around the globe. For example the laser reflector supposedly left on the Moon was manufactured in France. NASA collected the unit from the French company, and that was the last they saw of it. It’s probably stashed away in some archive at Langley, but one things for certain it’s not on the Moon. Are those French engineers proof they landed on the Moon? No of course not, as very few, (probably less than 200 people), were actually involved in bringing the whole lot together, so as to minimize what was actually taking place. No need for any of them to speak out because (A) They are 100% patriotic to the USA, and would say nothing that would go against America, even if it were true. (B) They do not need millions of dollars to safeguard their future, as they have already received substantial amounts from NASA just to “keep mum”. Read comments from people who worked on the Apollo program in the APOLLO FEEDBACK section.
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Scott, take a logic class. Your thinking skills are extremely poor.
 
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Its all a cover up I tell you. Bigfoot lives on the Moon and shot at Earth on September 11, 2001. Ossama Bin Ladin had a beard because he was actually Bigfoot. Bigfoot also is able to change the weather from his base on the Moon creating global climate change. And its the 1% that is hiding all of this from the public. :p
 
You people seem to be afraid of the issue I raised about Jay Windley.
Clavius: Conspiracy - about the author

Here it is again.
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I asked Jay to address this issue.
JREF Forum - View Single Post - Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

Here's his response.
JREF Forum - View Single Post - Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga
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You're trying to make me forget about this in the hope that I'll stop asking you to address it because you know he was wrong. You're all behaving like cornered sophists. Please stop tap dancing around and address the issue. This is about the third time I've asked you. This is a debate and that is a perfectly relevant request.
 
Scott said:
You people seem to be afraid of the issue I raised about Jay Windley.
Clavius: Conspiracy - about the author

Here it is again.
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I asked Jay to address this issue.
JREF Forum - View Single Post - Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

Here's his response.
JREF Forum - View Single Post - Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga
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You're trying to make me forget about this in the hope that I'll stop asking you to address it because you know he was wrong. You're all behaving like cornered sophists. Please stop tap dancing around and address the issue. This is about the third time I've asked you. This is a debate and that is a perfectly relevant request.
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Well Scott when you address or stop ignoring post, maybe others will address your concerns.
Seems your issue is with Jay.

You ignore post that go against your believes or throw out unsupported statement to deflect.

Scott: you question Jay or any source. OK. Please provide supporting background for your post. Who did the vids, their education, work background, etc. We all want to be upfront about qualifications.
 
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Scott said:
You people seem to be afraid of the issue I raised about Jay Windley.
Clavius: Conspiracy - about the author

Here it is again.
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I asked Jay to address this issue.
JREF Forum - View Single Post - Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

Here's his response.
JREF Forum - View Single Post - Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga
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You're trying to make me forget about this in the hope that I'll stop asking you to address it because you know he was wrong. You're all behaving like cornered sophists. Please stop tap dancing around and address the issue. This is about the third time I've asked you. This is a debate and that is a perfectly relevant request.
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All that you are offering is youtube videos and links to other forums and your opinions. So yes we get it, it is your opinion that the Apollo missions were faked. But you havent offered anything that resembles proof. So you are not in the position to assert anything as an fact or even the truth, all that you can do is offer us your opinions.
 
Scott said:
MoonFaker: Phil Plait, Mythbusters & Dirty Tricks - YouTube
windyz.wmv - YouTube


If they'd gone, there wouldn't be any anomalies in the footage.
Forums - View Single Post - The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

The footage is full of anomalies and the whole thing is consistent with a studio.

Case closed

They didn't go.



I'm wondering about that one too.
marsfaker - YouTube
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That you tube video is so stupid that I can hardly believe you posted it.

I will take the word of the few physicists that I know as well as what I have seen and know over your "evidence".
 
Scott said:
That info is controlled. Here's something you should check out.
Forums - View Single Post - The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

They don't allow objective analyses that prove the government lied in science journals.


Here's the issue so the viewers can see what this is about.
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Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip.
Apollo_11__The_TV_Transmission_Conspiracy_Theorists_Hate_.mp4 - YouTube
(00:52 time mark)

The corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.

Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
Discovery Crew Enters International Space Station - YouTube

That is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.

The movement of Collins' jacket corner is very different from that of the straps in this clip which is in zero-G.
Our World: Exercise Equipment - YouTube
(3:17 time mark)

It looks the same as the movement of this guy's jacket corners in gravity.
ISS space station treadmill running - YouTube

One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.
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I hanged a loose jacket on a coat hanger and bounced it up and down and exactly duplicated the movement of Collins' jacket corner here on earth. Sorry but that anomaly is simply too clear to obfuscate.


What you're doing is avoiding the issue because you know Jay Windley was wrong and he knew he was wrong. That's another issue that's simply too clear to obfuscate so you have to duck it and hope I forget about it.

Here it is again.
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I asked Jay to address this issue.
JREF Forum - View Single Post - Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

Here's his response.
JREF Forum - View Single Post - Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga
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Stop ducking it and address it. Do you agree with Jay Windley?
Clavius: Conspiracy - about the author


You just destroyed your credibility. Here's a link to the info so the viewers can see what this is all about.
Man has landed on the Moon. July 20, 1969. Sir, questions, sir. - Page 12


This isn't the proof I put forth. The proof I put forth is the bubbles and the buoyant safety cables and the fluttering flag (see above link).

In one of the videos in the above link the wave blowers were offered as the explanation of why the bubbles go in different directions.


Watch it here at the 3:09 time mark.
Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk (Part 2) - YouTube

It behaves exactly like a bubble. It follows the visor upward until it's able to straight up the way a bubble would. A piece of space debris wouldn't do that.
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Why does everything have to be faked? Can't some of these things have simply happened? Is the International Space Station fake? The Space Shuttle program? The MIR? Hubble?

See, we can make logical connections and it really isn't that hard to make the connection to the Chinese Space Walk nor landing on the moon as being a thing that actually happened.
 
Scott said:
When Bodhisattva copied and pasted my post (#326), he deleted a few lines thereby changing the context of what I was saying. Here's a link to the post.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...anding-apollo-11-false-33.html#post1060543693

Making changes when quoting the opposition is a classic disinfo tactic. That should be added to this list.
Rules of Disinformation

Only desperate people who don't even believe their own arguments resort to that tactic.
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Do you denigh you are also use Userids: Cosmored / Fatfreddy88 / David C / Rocky / Scott?

I'll ask again. Please provide supporting background for your post. Who did the vids, their education, work background, etc. We all want to be upfront about qualifications. If are to believe you should we not know the qualifications of the sources you sometimes use?

Failure to answer leads me to believe you are the one using a disinfo tactic.
 
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