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Killing covid-19 patients for profit

"a call from a nurse we know", reports joko. Gee, this sounds like a thread about something that actually happened in reality.

:roll:
 
This OP is criminal libel. All involved in writing it, publishing it, and promoting it should be arrested, charged, and must post bail.
 
This OP is criminal libel. All involved in writing it, publishing it, and promoting it should be arrested, charged, and must post bail.

Trying to win some stupidest post contest? There is no such thing as criminal libel.
 
Trying to win some stupidest post contest? There is no such thing as criminal libel.

And the trap shuts down on the prey. There should be, and that there is not is the only reason you are writing such stuff.

The states and federal legislatures next year are going to make a concerted effort to criminalize such libel. The proof will be on the prosecution, of course, but the OP would be a textbook slam-dunk case for conviction.
 
And the trap shuts down on the prey. There should be, and that there is not is the only reason you are writing such stuff.

The states and federal legislatures next year are going to make a concerted effort to criminalize such libel. The proof will be on the prosecution, of course, but the OP would be a textbook slam-dunk case for conviction.

I have often noted that most progressives such as you demand a totalitarian police state and hate nothing more than free speech. In addition truth is a defense anyway. Quoting Cuomo himself and citing his actions are not libel - and there is no one else I named. But, then, your's is a stupid message anyway.

Is the best you can come up with is that the country of "Undisclosed" is going to criminalize not reciting the propaganda of the super rich! :lamo
 
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"a call from a nurse we know", reports joko. Gee, this sounds like a thread about something that actually happened in reality.

:roll:

You should stop pretending to be a lawyer. I stated a call from a nurse lead me to investigate. I then cited sources - legitimate sources - for the actual facts from that investigation.

A REAL lawyer would understand the difference between the "opening statement" of the OP, then the "evidence" followed by a closing statement. Since you have no clue of the distinction between argumentation and evidence presentation there isn't a chance in hell you're a lawyer.
 
I have often noted that most progressives such as you demand a totalitarian police state and hate nothing more than free speech. In addition truth is a defense anyway. Quoting Cuomo himself and citing his actions are not libel - and there is no one else I named. But, then, your's is a stupid message anyway. Is the best you can come up with is that the country of "Undisclosed" is going to criminalize not reciting the propaganda of the super rich! :lamo
I am no more a progressive than you are a real conservative. Demanding that your propaganda meet certain standards of fairness and objectivity is not a police state, or an expression of hate speech, or a limitation on free speech.

The Trump gang have perverted truth and free speech, and beginning next year you guys are going to get schooled on American values of truth and justice. Get ready for it.
 
I prefer a conspiracy theory about hospitals killing patients for fun
 
I am no more a progressive than you are a real conservative. Demanding that your propaganda meet certain standards of fairness and objectivity is not a police state, or an expression of hate speech, or a limitation on free speech.

The Trump gang have perverted truth and free speech, and beginning next year you guys are going to get schooled on American values of truth and justice. Get ready for it.

Both sides and the MSM have perverted truth and free speech. That you don't understand that means something.
 
jamesbyoung View Post
I am no more a progressive than you are a real conservative. Demanding that your propaganda meet certain standards of fairness and objectivity is not a police state, or an expression of hate speech, or a limitation on free speech.

The Trump gang have perverted truth and free speech, and beginning next year you guys are going to get schooled on American values of truth and justice. Get ready for it.

Both sides and the MSM have perverted truth and free speech. That you don't understand that means something.

Does the guy in the mirror to whom you are talking say, "you so so so right, big bud?" Grow up. :) MSM is far more accurate than the AONN and Epoch Times and Breitbart and all that brain drained crap you are reading.

The passage of criminal libel laws federally and state wide next year is going to limit the lies of the left and right.
 
What caused me to start this thread is a phone call from a nurse we know in a major city who just quit claiming they are deliberately killing people - poor people specifically.
She said if someone is poor and elderly, particularly if poor and black, they put the patient on a ventilator specifically to kill the person, whom they figure probably only has a few years left to live anyway and likely has other issues.

Therefore, rather than spending money on the patient for which Medicare will pay little, if they quickly kill the person they get a $39,000 bonus. Nor does the person have to have covid-19. They only have to claim the person has covid-19.

"The study included the health records of 5,700 COVID-19 patients hospitalized between March 1 and April 4 at facilities overseen by Northwell Health, New York State's largest health system.

Among the 2,634 patients for whom outcomes were known, the overall death rate was 21%, but it rose to 88% for those who received mechanical ventilation, the Northwell Health COVID-19 Research Consortium reported.

The new findings "provide a crucial early insight into the front-line response to the COVID-19 outbreak in New York," Dr. Kevin Tracey, president and CEO of the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research, said in a Northwell Health news release.

The findings also add fuel to the notion that ventilators may sometimes do more harm than good for patients battling for life with severe COVID-19."
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...aced-on-ventilators-died-new-york-study-showshttps://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-04-22/most-covid-19-patients-placed-on-ventilators-died-new-york-study-shows

All pneumonia deaths - which is caused by a huge list of the most common medical conditions - are counted as covid-19 deaths. So this solved the problem of having so many terminally ill poor elderly people for some hospitals. Put them on a ventilator and kill them with it. Then the hospital doesn't have to spend another dollar on those old people and the Medicare will pay a bonus of $39,000 for having killed them.

We also now know why Cuomo was sending "death" (his words) via covid-19 to nursing homes:
1. By killing them there is no longer any costs of care and
2. IF they call it a covid-19 death the government pays a $39,000 bonus for killing them.

Since this means no longer spending any money on the elderly, this can save tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars each.

At the start of this, I stated outright the government was using this to kill off costly and non-productive old people - and that is exactly what has and is happened. Every old person Cuomo kills off is worth likely over $100,000 or far more for each person. Killing old people for cost saving and profit on an industrial scale as a state and national policy.

Putting people on a ventilator to specifically kill them?.....:lamo
 
I prefer a conspiracy theory about hospitals killing patients for fun

Hospitals let the elderly in terrible health die all the time. Most hospitals operate on the 50% rule. If a costly procedure does not have at least a 50% chance of saving an elderly medicare patient with ultimately terminal health conditions, they will not do the procedure. They could technically keep most people alive for a very long time, but won't spend tens to hundreds of thousands on someone who is going to die in a few weeks, months or year or two. Nor will medicare pay for it. This is done by committees at hospitals.
 
Stating facts that contradict official narratives is censored here in the US. Like Judy Mikovits who worked with Fauci on the HIV matter decades ago.

Censorship practiced by YouTube and FB is the modern and digital equivalent of book burning as practiced by the church and other authorities for centuries.

The authorities cannot compete in the market of ideas, so they resort to censorship.

Lol im sure you will be disappeared any second now along with Dave Rubin
 
jamesbyoung View Post
I am no more a progressive than you are a real conservative. Demanding that your propaganda meet certain standards of fairness and objectivity is not a police state, or an expression of hate speech, or a limitation on free speech.

The Trump gang have perverted truth and free speech, and beginning next year you guys are going to get schooled on American values of truth and justice. Get ready for it.



Does the guy in the mirror to whom you are talking say, "you so so so right, big bud?" Grow up. :) MSM is far more accurate than the AONN and Epoch Times and Breitbart and all that brain drained crap you are reading.

The passage of criminal libel laws federally and state wide next year is going to limit the lies of the left and right.

Another ignorant statement from you James. I don't read any of the sources you claim I do.

Ignorant statements are common from you. Rave on.
 
What caused me to start this thread is a phone call from a nurse we know in a major city who just quit claiming they are deliberately killing people - poor people specifically.
She said if someone is poor and elderly, particularly if poor and black, they put the patient on a ventilator specifically to kill the person, whom they figure probably only has a few years left to live anyway and likely has other issues.

Therefore, rather than spending money on the patient for which Medicare will pay little, if they quickly kill the person they get a $39,000 bonus. Nor does the person have to have covid-19. They only have to claim the person has covid-19.

"The study included the health records of 5,700 COVID-19 patients hospitalized between March 1 and April 4 at facilities overseen by Northwell Health, New York State's largest health system.

Among the 2,634 patients for whom outcomes were known, the overall death rate was 21%, but it rose to 88% for those who received mechanical ventilation, the Northwell Health COVID-19 Research Consortium reported.

The new findings "provide a crucial early insight into the front-line response to the COVID-19 outbreak in New York," Dr. Kevin Tracey, president and CEO of the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research, said in a Northwell Health news release.

The findings also add fuel to the notion that ventilators may sometimes do more harm than good for patients battling for life with severe COVID-19."
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...aced-on-ventilators-died-new-york-study-showshttps://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-04-22/most-covid-19-patients-placed-on-ventilators-died-new-york-study-shows

All pneumonia deaths - which is caused by a huge list of the most common medical conditions - are counted as covid-19 deaths. So this solved the problem of having so many terminally ill poor elderly people for some hospitals. Put them on a ventilator and kill them with it. Then the hospital doesn't have to spend another dollar on those old people and the Medicare will pay a bonus of $39,000 for having killed them.

We also now know why Cuomo was sending "death" (his words) via covid-19 to nursing homes:
1. By killing them there is no longer any costs of care and
2. IF they call it a covid-19 death the government pays a $39,000 bonus for killing them.

Since this means no longer spending any money on the elderly, this can save tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars each.

At the start of this, I stated outright the government was using this to kill off costly and non-productive old people - and that is exactly what has and is happened. Every old person Cuomo kills off is worth likely over $100,000 or far more for each person. Killing old people for cost saving and profit on an industrial scale as a state and national policy.

I see the usual clowns and buffoons are mocking this thread but you and I know why the death toll is so high. Retirement homes are like subways with people packed in like sardines and you have people in their 80s and 90s in their last legs. The Cuomo brothers should be named dumb and dumber ad it is really hard to say which one is Fredo. But this is the way the Dems roll. The most incompetent people rise to a position of power like Schiff and Schumer.

Trump bailed out NYC with the 100 billion and the doctors and hospitals aren't stupid. The CEO of a hospital thinks, 1"00 billion? We get 39K for ventilators? Tell Manny in purchasing to order 100 ventilators pronto."
 
The death toll is so high because there are financial incentives and political incentives to inflate the numbers.
 
Another ignorant statement from you James. I don't read any of the sources you claim I do. Ignorant statements are common from you. Rave on.

You can deny it all, and all readers know your denial is alt fact.
 
Both sides and the MSM have perverted truth and free speech. That you don't understand that means something.

Ha! A conspiracy nut complaining about perverting the truth. Gotta love the irony.
 
Ha! A conspiracy nut complaining about perverting the truth. Gotta love the irony.

The joke is on those many americans who believe completely that humans never conspire. They particularly believe that humans in power and authority do not conspire.

Their minds are molded, their tastes formed, their ideas are suggested by men they don't even know. Ignorance IS bliss.
 
The joke is on those many americans who believe completely that humans never conspire. They particularly believe that humans in power and authority do not conspire.

Their minds are molded, their tastes formed, their ideas are suggested by men they don't even know. Ignorance IS bliss.

If you think 95% of the world's governments all conspired to fake/spread a virus around the world for some unknown reason, then provide evidence. What exactly is the motive?

Everything is a conspiracy in your mind. Has it occurred to you that maybe it's just a virus?
 
If you think 95% of the world's governments all conspired to fake/spread a virus around the world for some unknown reason, then provide evidence. What exactly is the motive?

Everything is a conspiracy in your mind. Has it occurred to you that maybe it's just a virus?

I must laugh at myself. It took me 4 years to understand that the official narrative regarding 911 was false. With this Covid thing, it took me about 6 weeks to understand that the official narrative is false.

So to answer your question, I do not think (nor do I exclude the possibility) that 95% of world governments do as you suggest. No, I am not certain at all about the role of 95% of the world governments in this fiasco.

But what is certain is that the official narrative is false. The virus did not transfer from bat soup to humans, just as 19 arabs with box cutters did not hijack 4 airliners that day.

The facts and evidence available do not support the official narrative. It is just that simple.

I'm sorry I cannot answer all your questions about who did what and why, though we can certain speculate and make reasonable assumptions.

There is documentary proof, never discussed by the mainstream media, that the virus was engineered for "gain of function" at UNC Chapel Hill in about 2015. There is documentary evidence that a corporation or foundation owned by Bill Gates and friends own a patent on a coronavirus.

There are many dots to connect, and I know only a few of them.

What is certain is that the official narrative is false.
 
I must laugh at myself. It took me 4 years to understand that the official narrative regarding 911 was false. With this Covid thing, it took me about 6 weeks to understand that the official narrative is false.

So to answer your question, I do not think (nor do I exclude the possibility) that 95% of world governments do as you suggest. No, I am not certain at all about the role of 95% of the world governments in this fiasco.

But what is certain is that the official narrative is false. The virus did not transfer from bat soup to humans, just as 19 arabs with box cutters did not hijack 4 airliners that day.

The facts and evidence available do not support the official narrative. It is just that simple.

I'm sorry I cannot answer all your questions about who did what and why, though we can certain speculate and make reasonable assumptions.

There is documentary proof, never discussed by the mainstream media, that the virus was engineered for "gain of function" at UNC Chapel Hill in about 2015. There is documentary evidence that a corporation or foundation owned by Bill Gates and friends own a patent on a coronavirus.

There are many dots to connect, and I know only a few of them.

What is certain is that the official narrative is false.

Sure, there's proof that the coronavirus was engineered in the US, but not a single news organisation or journalist in the world has reported what would be the biggest news story of the decade. :lamo

So are the worlds journalists in cahoots with all these governments and Bill Gates?? Is the virus spread by 5G masts? :lamo
 
Sure, there's proof that the coronavirus was engineered in the US, but not a single news organisation or journalist in the world has reported what would be the biggest news story of the decade. :lamo

So are the worlds journalists in cahoots with all these governments and Bill Gates?? Is the virus spread by 5G masts? :lamo

The mainstream media is in cahoots with its advertisers. One of its biggest advertisers is Big Pharma. Let that sink in.

No, the virus is not spread by 5G masts.
 
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