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    Re: Congressional Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    I say again sir, I am skeptical that the good men will prevail over the bad men, should such a convention ACTUALLY be held. Is that so difficult to comprehend?

    Considering that, as you say, there is a conspiracy to prevent such a convention being held over a number of years, my skepticism is well founded.
    It has nothing to do with good or bad men, but good or bad ideas.

    75%+ approval mathematically precludes bad ideas from becoming law.

    If the conspiracy is to prevent a convention, and it's been denied, skepticism would logically be placed with the fear-mongering that a convention can be taken over by bad men.

    If your skepticism that a convention can be taken over is set aside due to the 75%+ approval requirement, then your skepticism is that humans alive today could not arrive at consensus for a good idea.

    On both counts you make no sense.

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    Re: Congressional Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by JD1965 View Post
    It has nothing to do with good or bad men, but good or bad ideas.

    75%+ approval mathematically precludes bad ideas from becoming law.

    If the conspiracy is to prevent a convention, and it's been denied, skepticism would logically be placed with the fear-mongering that a convention can be taken over by bad men.

    If your skepticism that a convention can be taken over is set aside due to the 75%+ approval requirement, then your skepticism is that humans alive today could not arrive at consensus for a good idea.

    On both counts you make no sense.
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you, but in life, very much depends upon good men or bad men. Franklin alluded to that simple fact: "A republic, if you can keep it."

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    Re: Congressional Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you, but in life, very much depends upon good men or bad men. Franklin alluded to that simple fact: "A republic, if you can keep it."
    I'll assume Koch, Adelstein, and Soros as the boogeymen whose existence is cause for your skepticism of the convention process. Even if they aren't, you're talking about bad men paid to do bad things, or maybe Putin and Russia decide they want a piece of the action at America's first Article V Convention.

    What could any of the above propose as constitutional amendment language that roughly seven out of ten Americans would agree on? Your skepticism has no basis in reality for the fact that a convention is non-binding, i.e. all the bad men propose their bad amendments and sit down; all the good men propose their good amendments and sit down. Now they adjourn, now the bad men need 38 state legislatures to agree with their bogus amendments. In other words, there is literally nothing that bad men can control in a non-binding assembly of state delegates. In fact the event exposes them for who and what they are by what they say (or don't say). If they pay to vote down all good ideas, then at least we will have openly forced the hand of those who at present do everything at expensive restaurant tables in DC.

    You can hide behind the idea of bad men, and confuse Franklin's quote to fit your intellectual dishonesty, but what he was really saying, as did Jefferson, is that every generation ought to formally review their high law. Ours has been unamended for over quarter century, and you cite numerous legislative acts and high court rulings that run counter to the spirit of the Constitution, and then somehow you're skeptical of a process that allows the living to formally discuss their government--the very thing that makes us American--the right to alter/abolish if things become corrupt, let alone thoroughly corrupt.

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