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    Re: Congressional Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by JD1965 View Post
    The oligarchy could manufacture consent for a convention tomorrow, and could have done it at any time over the past hundred years. Instead they have tarred and feathered the Article V Convention with mischaracterization and fear-mongering decade after decade. If they could control it, why not destroy the Constitution with it once and for all?

    It's because they can't control it and a non-binding deliberative assembly tasked with constructing amendment language cannot be secretive in any way because the actual process does not allow it. A convention makes the bad guys formally propose as law, what they get away with now anyway. If you're getting away with murder do you want to enter a discussion on how to make murder legal? The process itself casts everyone and every issue in the sunlight and exposes any operatives for who and what they are based on what they propose.
    I do hope you're right.

    I recently watched (am still watching) Oliver Stone's documentary on Netflix, "The Untold History of the United States", and one segment dealt with the 1944 Democratic Convention. It showed how popular FDR's VP Henry Wallace had been during the first three terms (Wallace was a pacifist and advocate for the common man), and how at the last minute in that convention power brokers behind the scenes got Wallace thrown out in favor of Harry Truman. The vast and obvious support for Wallace by all the delegates at the convention was over ruled by the power brokers behind the scenes.

    I hope you're right, but your view seems overly idealistic to me.

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    Re: Congressional Conspiracy

    Am I the only one who actually read the link and discovered it doesn't do any of that "conspiracy" stuff the OP claims it does?
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    Re: Congressional Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by JD1965 View Post
    The oligarchy could manufacture consent for a convention tomorrow, and could have done it at any time over the past hundred years. Instead they have tarred and feathered the Article V Convention with mischaracterization and fear-mongering decade after decade. If they could control it, why not destroy the Constitution with it once and for all?

    It's because they can't control it and a non-binding deliberative assembly tasked with constructing amendment language cannot be secretive in any way because the actual process does not allow it. A convention makes the bad guys formally propose as law, what they get away with now anyway. If you're getting away with murder do you want to enter a discussion on how to make murder legal? The process itself casts everyone and every issue in the sunlight and exposes any operatives for who and what they are based on what they propose.
    What on earth are you talking about? All that resolution does is notify Congress that the requisite two-thirds of states had signed a petition, and that a constitutional convention was now requested.

    Except there weren't actually 35 active petitions at that point. Wisconsin was trying to count petitions to amend the constitution for direct election of senators... an amendment that had already been added to the constitution. Those petitions were clearly no longer valid.
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    Re: Congressional Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What on earth are you talking about? All that resolution does is notify Congress that the requisite two-thirds of states had signed a petition, and that a constitutional convention was now requested.

    Except there weren't actually 35 active petitions at that point. Wisconsin was trying to count petitions to amend the constitution for direct election of senators... an amendment that had already been added to the constitution. Those petitions were clearly no longer valid.
    They didn't sign a petition, they cast an application. Two totally different legal meanings.

    There are no terms or conditions in the Constitution or any subsequent amendment/USSC rulings regarding state applications. The call is based on an objective numeric count based on logic that politicians will attempt to make up reasons not to call a convention. Every application ever cast is active up until a convention is called.

    The states have legally satisfied the clause and the federal government, the politicians in the 116th Congress, is/are pretending it's not happening. That's the conspiracy. Not to mention all the celebrities and talking heads that could be advocating for a convention but are somehow too stupid to recognize it.

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    Re: Congressional Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by JD1965 View Post
    They didn't sign a petition, they cast an application. Two totally different legal meanings.

    There are no terms or conditions in the Constitution or any subsequent amendment/USSC rulings regarding state applications. The call is based on an objective numeric count based on logic that politicians will attempt to make up reasons not to call a convention. Every application ever cast is active up until a convention is called.

    The states have legally satisfied the clause and the federal government, the politicians in the 116th Congress, is/are pretending it's not happening. That's the conspiracy. Not to mention all the celebrities and talking heads that could be advocating for a convention but are somehow too stupid to recognize it.
    Congress is and has been pretending for decades that we are alone in the universe, that AQ attacked us in 2001, and that democracy thrives in this country.

    Congress is very good at pretending all sorts of things. So you're right about that.

    But that doesn't mean that an Article V convention would not be hijacked by the same group of liars.

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    Re: Congressional Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by JD1965 View Post
    They didn't sign a petition, they cast an application. Two totally different legal meanings.

    There are no terms or conditions in the Constitution or any subsequent amendment/USSC rulings regarding state applications. The call is based on an objective numeric count based on logic that politicians will attempt to make up reasons not to call a convention. Every application ever cast is active up until a convention is called.

    The states have legally satisfied the clause and the federal government, the politicians in the 116th Congress, is/are pretending it's not happening. That's the conspiracy. Not to mention all the celebrities and talking heads that could be advocating for a convention but are somehow too stupid to recognize it.
    Says you.
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    Re: Congressional Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Congress is and has been pretending for decades that we are alone in the universe, that AQ attacked us in 2001, and that democracy thrives in this country.

    Congress is very good at pretending all sorts of things. So you're right about that.

    But that doesn't mean that an Article V convention would not be hijacked by the same group of liars.
    So a convention is convened and all these liars you presume will be there are assembled. What next? What could "liars" propose that roughly 7 out of 10 Americans would say Yes to?

    There is nothing to high-jack at a non-binding deliberative assembly. You either got a good idea for amendment or you don't. Regardless, it still has to be put before the people.

    You want it to be true that a convention could be hijacked because then you don't have to fight for it. As mentioned, you are part of the problem and endanger everything won with the American Revolution. Not because I say so, but because fact and law say so.

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    Re: Congressional Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Says you.

    Not me, but fact and law. But you run go believe what you want.

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    Re: Congressional Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by JD1965 View Post
    Here is a PDF from a page of Congressional Records which proves a conspiracy via public record. Members of Congress are carrying out a conspiracy to deny Americans their right to formally discuss how government operates.

    In short, the Framers put a convention clause into the Constitution for the inevitable moment when Congress stopped working in the interests of the states and the people. The link shows that Congress has had, and presently still does have, a constitutional obligation to issue the call for the Article V Convention.

    Not only are all three branches of government in on it, so are media and corporate interests. You won't hear any of them mention it, which means they are all squirming in their seats, hoping Americans never catch on to what the real game is all about.

    http://foa5c.org/01page/Amendments/0...69_1929_HL.JPG
    What are you referring to? Our Constitution provides a mechanism for amending it.

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    Re: Congressional Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    What are you referring to? Our Constitution provides a mechanism for amending it.
    The Constitution provides two modes for proposing amendments, and one way to amend.

    1) Congress, or if the states apply in sufficient number, it "shall call" the 2) Article V Convention.

    The link shows that as a matter of public record the states have legally satisfied the clause, and we're in the midsts of a congressional conspiracy to deny the states and the people the right to formally discuss the politicians in Congress.

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