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    A variation on a theme, blame Russia and Iran

    My theory is that one of the spy agencies wrote the script which the mainstream media dutifully propagates regarding the downed 737 out of Tehran.

    Because it so closely follows the story of MH17, my bet goes on Mossad. They seem to like to mess with airliners of other nationalities, whether Malaysian, Russian, Ukrainian or others.

    The theme being pushed by MSM casts blame on Iran and Russia, the same theme with MH17.

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    Re: A variation on a theme, blame Russia and Iran

    Iran's announcement that it did take down the airliner renders the thread moot and irrelevant.

    The irony is that we have a most rare example of Trump and the Pentagon telling the truth.

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    Re: A variation on a theme, blame Russia and Iran

    Thanks T72. You finally realize not everything is some CT. Interesting you believe Iran's Government report.
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    Re: A variation on a theme, blame Russia and Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Iran's announcement that it did take down the airliner renders the thread moot and irrelevant.

    The irony is that we have a most rare example of Trump and the Pentagon telling the truth.
    Seems like the fire hose delivery of lies from our spies has slowed since Trump took office.
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    Re: A variation on a theme, blame Russia and Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Seems like the fire hose delivery of lies from our spies has slowed since Trump took office.
    Sure, 1211, whatever you need to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Sure, 1211, whatever you need to believe.
    Do you have any evidence to oppose my musing?
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    Re: A variation on a theme, blame Russia and Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Seems like the fire hose delivery of lies from our spies has slowed since Trump took office.
    I'm not sure if I agree. The effort to impeach him is fairly well nothing but a massive delivery of lies from our spies. He is a clown and unfit for office, but he is being framed by the Deep State, CIA whatever.

    Apparently Pompeo admitted to more lies on the Laura Ingraham show. I didn't watch that show, but some are reporting that.

    His claim on TV in a Texas speech made it pretty clear: 'we lie, we cheat, we steal'.

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    Re: A variation on a theme, blame Russia and Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    I'm not sure if I agree. The effort to impeach him is fairly well nothing but a massive delivery of lies from our spies. He is a clown and unfit for office, but he is being framed by the Deep State, CIA whatever.

    Apparently Pompeo admitted to more lies on the Laura Ingraham show. I didn't watch that show, but some are reporting that.

    His claim on TV in a Texas speech made it pretty clear: 'we lie, we cheat, we steal'.
    I suppose we'll never know with certainty. The reporting of the lies from our spies is based on the lies leaked by our spies to their willing stenographers in the press.

    I really don't expect any honesty from our spies. They are, after all, spies. Watching a movie about a James Bond type guy on TV as a kid, I told my mother that I'd like to be a "secret agent".

    She said that being a spy would be horrible. Lying to everyone all the time. No friends. No trust. No life.

    Turns out that, once again, mom was right.
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    Re: A variation on a theme, blame Russia and Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I suppose we'll never know with certainty. The reporting of the lies from our spies is based on the lies leaked by our spies to their willing stenographers in the press.

    I really don't expect any honesty from our spies. They are, after all, spies. Watching a movie about a James Bond type guy on TV as a kid, I told my mother that I'd like to be a "secret agent".

    She said that being a spy would be horrible. Lying to everyone all the time. No friends. No trust. No life.

    Turns out that, once again, mom was right.
    The wisdom of your mother!

    Perhaps certainty is a subjective value?

    If certainty is defined as having the government admit the truth openly, then no, we will never know with certainty.

    But we all have the luxury of hindsight when assessing historical events. And thanks to whistleblowers like Daniel Ellsberg, Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning and Assange, we can be very certain that the government suppresses the truth and punishes those who speak it, just as Orwell noted in the last century.

    I am certain the spies, the media, and the government at large lie all the time, about very important things.

    So from my personal perspective, what good reasons are there for me to take at face value what known liars say? There is no compelling reason for such behavior.

    I am certain that in most cases the government is lying and the media is simply delivering misinformation. There are exceptions to every rule, but most of the time the government and its media are lying.

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    Re: A variation on a theme, blame Russia and Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    The wisdom of your mother!

    Perhaps certainty is a subjective value?

    If certainty is defined as having the government admit the truth openly, then no, we will never know with certainty.

    But we all have the luxury of hindsight when assessing historical events. And thanks to whistleblowers like Daniel Ellsberg, Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning and Assange, we can be very certain that the government suppresses the truth and punishes those who speak it, just as Orwell noted in the last century.

    I am certain the spies, the media, and the government at large lie all the time, about very important things.

    So from my personal perspective, what good reasons are there for me to take at face value what known liars say? There is no compelling reason for such behavior.

    I am certain that in most cases the government is lying and the media is simply delivering misinformation. There are exceptions to every rule, but most of the time the government and its media are lying.
    "They" may lie "frequently" of color or share an account as the norm. But I don't think they lie completely about everything all the time.
    There are lies of omission as well. It appears that they for sure fudged details, shaped the account toward a patriotic / war agenda but waging war on a band of terrorist wasn't even in the something their tool kit could even do. It seems to me they completely dodged the issues of the design of the towers and how that may have been a factor of their collapse.

    In the Pinto case we saw how a bad driver CAUSED the tank explosion... but that the DESIGN was flawed and ALLOWED it to explode. Were the towers Pintos?
    Nothing is as it appears.

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