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    Re: A variation on a theme, blame Russia and Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    The wisdom of your mother!

    Perhaps certainty is a subjective value?

    If certainty is defined as having the government admit the truth openly, then no, we will never know with certainty.

    But we all have the luxury of hindsight when assessing historical events. And thanks to whistleblowers like Daniel Ellsberg, Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning and Assange, we can be very certain that the government suppresses the truth and punishes those who speak it, just as Orwell noted in the last century.

    I am certain the spies, the media, and the government at large lie all the time, about very important things.

    So from my personal perspective, what good reasons are there for me to take at face value what known liars say? There is no compelling reason for such behavior.

    I am certain that in most cases the government is lying and the media is simply delivering misinformation. There are exceptions to every rule, but most of the time the government and its media are lying.
    The media is doing more than simply acting as a conduit.

    Your post explains well why I am constantly asking people to ask this one simple question when confronted by the lies in our media:

    "If this is true, what else must be true?"
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    Re: A variation on a theme, blame Russia and Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    The media is doing more than simply acting as a conduit.

    Your post explains well why I am constantly asking people to ask this one simple question when confronted by the lies in our media:

    "If this is true, what else must be true?"
    There is so much "media" available today. Of course one should question the media and what they make available to the public.

    Some believe it is just the msm media that is spreading the propaganda. They turn a blinds eye to all of the alternative sources they read, listen or watch every day. As long as the source presents a view they hold then facts can be ignored.
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    Re: A variation on a theme, blame Russia and Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    There is so much "media" available today. Of course one should question the media and what they make available to the public.

    Some believe it is just the msm media that is spreading the propaganda. They turn a blinds eye to all of the alternative sources they read, listen or watch every day. As long as the source presents a view they hold then facts can be ignored.
    That's true in many cases. That's why people who are wise ask that very vital question: "If this is true, what else must be true?"

    Here in Indianapolis, we are told by our homer sports shows every Fall that this year we really have a chance to win the Super Bowl. They are right about 5% of the inmate in this century.

    What does this tell us? Probably a couple things. However, it does not tell us that they are impartial arbiters of truth. We really don't want that, anyway.

    When we have a president presiding over a pretty great time in our lives and who is doing things, like the China Deal, that other presidents just ran away from, that pretty good.

    Despite everything that tells us that he is doing about as good a job as anyone could do in this situation, we are told in 93% of the stories about him that he's doing a bad job.

    He ordered a successful kill on a guy who was a child rapist, murderous terrorist and abuser of women. Only about 30% of the courage was positive. Wait! Wut?

    There are few if any outlets of published/broadcast/posted information that are honest arbiters of the Truth with a capital T.

    Once you know with certainty that an outlet, like CNN, will ALWAYS attack Trump regardless of the story, the facts or the reality, listening to what they say should be done with that in mind.

    In the case of CNN, this represents an organizational abandonment of any editorial ethics, any ethics of their profession, any quest for honesty and any respect for their viewers. Disgusting!

    As Reagan said, "Trust, but verify".

    CNN had Avanotti (sp?) on so often that he seemed to have his own show. There was unapologetic talk about him being President. Now he's in jail. What does this tell us about CNN, CNN's ethics and CCN's reporting in general?
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