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The "Majestic Documents"

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These are documents from Government officials, and other significant persons, which tend to support that idea that Government leaders, military and senior politicians including FDR, Truman, etc., believe, based on evidence, that UFOs exist, and the government is concerned about it, and has programs to deal with it.

Peruse the many documents, and my question is:

Does this move the needle any for you naysayers?


Majestic Documents.com: Documents Dated Prior to 1948

and the SOM manual

http://www.sciences-faits-histoires.com/medias/files/us-army-ufo-official-manual-mj12.pdf
 
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For those afflicted with cognitive dissonance, no amount of facts or evidence will sway them. Their minds are wide shut, as it were.

There is ample evidence showing the federal government has been aware of the presence of aliens for decades, and has kept it secret.

The imminent case of Juliana v. U.S. will show the same thing about the government's silence about climate change. The government keeps many secrets, routinely.
 
For those afflicted with cognitive dissonance, no amount of facts or evidence will sway them. Their minds are wide shut, as it were.

There is ample evidence showing the federal government has been aware of the presence of aliens for decades, and has kept it secret.

The imminent case of Juliana v. U.S. will show the same thing about the government's silence about climate change. The government keeps many secrets, routinely.

Yes the gov has secrets.

Yes the gov will spin, lie, engage in PR rubbish and has unstated agendas.

You appear to me to show the signs of cognitive dissonance typically rejecting anything "official" or from US gov or mainstream media.

So explain this....

The UFO thing has been in the consciousness of society since the late 40s. Everyone's heard about it. So why has no private citizen found an artifact and not turned it over to the gov and called a press conference to display their find?
 
Yes the gov has secrets.

Yes the gov will spin, lie, engage in PR rubbish and has unstated agendas.

You appear to me to show the signs of cognitive dissonance typically rejecting anything "official" or from US gov or mainstream media.

So explain this....

The UFO thing has been in the consciousness of society since the late 40s. Everyone's heard about it. So why has no private citizen found an artifact and not turned it over to the gov and called a press conference to display their find?

That has happened, but you are simply not aware of it, just as you are not aware of many other facts that you find unpleasant. In the unlikely event that you are really curious about such things, consider getting a 'box set' of Ancient Aliens from History Channel.
 
That has happened, but you are simply not aware of it, just as you are not aware of many other facts that you find unpleasant. In the unlikely event that you are really curious about such things, consider getting a 'box set' of Ancient Aliens from History Channel.

Has it ever occurred to you that your are simply not aware of your "cognitive dissonance'?

Ever wonder why programs like "Ancient Aliens" state most of their premises with "what if", "is it possible", without really proving anything.
 
These are documents from Government officials, and other significant persons, which tend to support that idea that Government leaders, military and senior politicians including FDR, Truman, etc., believe, based on evidence, that UFOs exist, and the government is concerned about it, and has programs to deal with it.

Peruse the many documents, and my question is:

Does this move the needle any for you naysayers?


Majestic Documents.com: Documents Dated Prior to 1948

and the SOM manual

http://www.sciences-faits-histoires.com/medias/files/us-army-ufo-official-manual-mj12.pdf

Those look fake to me. Their age also suggests that they were simply a hoax.

Edward Snowden searched the CIA's networks for proof that aliens exist. Here's what he found - CNN
 
Has it ever occurred to you that your are simply not aware of your "cognitive dissonance'?

Ever wonder why programs like "Ancient Aliens" state most of their premises with "what if", "is it possible", without really proving anything.

I don't wonder about why they use "what if", I completely understand it and respect it. Perhaps unlike yourself, I am very capable of entertaining and considering all manner of theories that might explain observed facts. That is a sign of a broad and curious mind.

As for CD, I happily admit that I have experienced it myself. For several years, for example, I believed the nonsensical OCT regarding 911 but could not quite come to terms with the fact that my government would be complicit in that attack. I experienced CD, and struggled to overcome it, and I did.

It is possible to move through CD, at least for some of us. Others are simply incapable. I see it as a psychological defense mechanism where part of the mind refuses to consider facts that threaten its well being.

The truth is brutal and threatening.

MJ-12 actually happened, whether you or others are capable of understanding that or not. Living in denial ain't my style. :mrgreen:
 
These are documents from Government officials, and other significant persons, which tend to support that idea that Government leaders, military and senior politicians including FDR, Truman, etc., believe, based on evidence, that UFOs exist, and the government is concerned about it, and has programs to deal with it.

Peruse the many documents, and my question is:

Does this move the needle any for you naysayers?


Majestic Documents.com: Documents Dated Prior to 1948

and the SOM manual

http://www.sciences-faits-histoires.com/medias/files/us-army-ufo-official-manual-mj12.pdf

Consider this, in the 30 years CCD cameras have been around and the hundreds of millions of phones using them, not a single photograph of a alien spacecraft has ever surfaced. Nor has any evidence that extraterrestrial life exists has ever surfaced. Which makes those who believe in extraterrestrial UFO's completely nuts, bat-sh*t crazy, and in serious need of professional help.
 
Consider this, in the 30 years CCD cameras have been around and the hundreds of millions of phones using them, not a single photograph of a alien spacecraft has ever surfaced. Nor has any evidence that extraterrestrial life exists has ever surfaced. Which makes those who believe in extraterrestrial UFO's completely nuts, bat-sh*t crazy, and in serious need of professional help.

Just because you are unaware, either accidentally or on purpose, that there is no evidence of ET or their visits to earth, does not mean that such evidence does not exist. It means only that you are unaware of such evidence, nothing more.
 
Consider this, in the 30 years CCD cameras have been around and the hundreds of millions of phones using them, not a single photograph of a alien spacecraft has ever surfaced. Nor has any evidence that extraterrestrial life exists has ever surfaced. Which makes those who believe in extraterrestrial UFO's completely nuts, bat-sh*t crazy, and in serious need of professional help.

What's the point? There are photos, but skeptics doubt them. Consider the AAITIP videos released recently by the navy.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Moreover, there are other types of evidence. Read Dr. David Jacob's "Walking Among Us"

There are mountains of data on UFOs, and I"m talkin' the rational variety, not the woo variety.
 
What's the point? There are photos, but skeptics doubt them. Consider the AAITIP videos released recently by the navy.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Moreover, there are other types of evidence. Read Dr. David Jacob's "Walking Among Us"

There are mountains of data on UFOs, and I"m talkin' the rational variety, not the woo variety.

Actually, with a background in astrophysics I do have some idea what I'm talking about. It is those who believe in extraterrestrials visiting Earth who are in serious need of an education.
 
A background in astrophysics does not necessarily mean one ends up with an open mind.

Being in denial is not a matter of intelligence or training.
 
There is ample evidence showing the federal government has been aware of the presence of aliens for decades, and has kept it secret.

Sorry but I had to laugh.
Not at you.
I had to laugh because I'm trying to work out the scenario in my mind where the government finally decides to reveal the existence of aliens among us.
We can't even agree that the previous president was an American citizen, we can't even agree that Saddam wasn't involved in 9/11, we can't even agree that the ***ing Earth is ****ing round or that water is wet, and now you're tasking Uncle Sam with informing the public that beings from another planet walk among us?

Where's Michael Bay? :lamo
 
Actually, with a background in astrophysics I do have some idea what I'm talking about. It is those who believe in extraterrestrials visiting Earth who are in serious need of an education.


You know a lot about astrophysics, but nothing about subject at hand.



As for "physics", Stanton Friedman had a background in nuclear physics, and lectured on the abundance of evidence for UFOS.

Dr. J. Allen Hynek, who was hired by the Air Force to investigate, and debunk, the UFO phenomenon under "project bluebook",
for years, started out as a skeptic, but by the time the Air Force shut the program down, he came to believe in the reality of them.

Certainly, the vast reportings of sightings can be explained, but there quite a few thousand left that were sufficient to convince Hynek of the truth of alien visitation.

And then there are the 10s of thousands of cases of cattle mutilations which cannot be explained.

Read Dr. David Jacob's "Walking Among Us". He and Dr John Mack ( of Harvard Psychiatry fame ) regressed under hypnosis, hundreds of subjects in the 70s and 80s, long before the subject, desciption of aliens, was known, and in a disciplined controlled approach, reported that almost all of the subjects recount a similar tale, that the aliens abduct humans from all over the world, subject them to some tests in a medical examination, extract ovum from females and sperm from males, and create human/alien hybrids, the progeny of which are shown to the mothers, who assist in the rearing and training of them. This seems fantastic, but the book explains all of the objections you might raise to the plausibilty what is happening, and it is happening, all over the world. They are doing it clandestinely. Read the book, that is all I can say.


And why, is the Navy still investigating UFOs, under "AAITIP", and releasing videos of UFO devices, which no one can account for.

Morever, it appears that the Navy has patented an antigravity propulsion device.

Docs Show Navy Got 'UFO' Patent Granted By Warning Of Similar Chinese Tech Advances - The Drive
 
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You know a lot about astrophysics, but nothing about subject at hand.



As for "physics", Stanton Friedman had a background in nuclear physics, and lectured on the abundance of evidence for UFOS.
I live about 50 miles north of Elmondorf AFB, and I'm terribly at aircraft identification. So I see UFO's all the time. However, I know them to be always terrestrial.

And then there are the 10s of thousands of cases of cattle mutilations which cannot be explained.
The most likely explanation is vandalism since they are infrequent and random. Similar to the crop circle hoax, and definitely man-made.

And why, is the Navy still investigating UFOs, under "AAITIP", and releasing videos of UFO devices, which no one can account for.
Actually, the Navy calls them "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" or UAP, and at no time did they ever suggest the UAP was extraterrestrial.

You don't seem to comprehend the vastness of space, and the amount of time required to traverse between stars, or the amount of energy required to travel such a distance. Even if they had the technology to create a vessel capable of 99.9% the speed of light using antimatter for fuel and 100% efficient engines, they could never provide enough fuel to reach even the closest star.
 
I live about 50 miles north of Elmondorf AFB, and I'm terribly at aircraft identification. So I see UFO's all the time. However, I know them to be always terrestrial.

The most likely explanation is vandalism since they are infrequent and random. Similar to the crop circle hoax, and definitely man-made.

Actually, the Navy calls them "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" or UAP, and at no time did they ever suggest the UAP was extraterrestrial.

You don't seem to comprehend the vastness of space, and the amount of time required to traverse between stars, or the amount of energy required to travel such a distance. Even if they had the technology to create a vessel capable of 99.9% the speed of light using antimatter for fuel and 100% efficient engines, they could never provide enough fuel to reach even the closest star.

Does your background in astrophysics allow you to consider what are described as worm holes? Was Einstein correct regarding the 'waves' or distortions in gravity and time/space?
 
Does your background in astrophysics allow you to consider what are described as worm holes? Was Einstein correct regarding the 'waves' or distortions in gravity and time/space?

Worm holes are theoretical. If they exist... we can't perceive them.
 
Worm holes are theoretical. If they exist... we can't perceive them.

You cannot perceive that you have been deceived by your government. So there is not much hope that you could perceive more subtle things in the cosmos.
 
I live about 50 miles north of Elmondorf AFB, and I'm terribly at aircraft identification. So I see UFO's all the time. However, I know them to be always terrestrial.

The most likely explanation is vandalism since they are infrequent and random.
All of the soft tissue of the animals, the eyes, the mouth, rectum cored out, genitals are removed with surgical precision. Evidence shows in many cases where large internal organs removed without corresponding large openings in the flesh. ALL of the blood is drained, not one drop of blood on the carcasses or the ground, or anywhere near the scen, no footprints or any evidence of human activity. Over 10,000 cattle mutilations from all over the world have been reported going back to the 70s, and there have been reports going back to the 17th century.

Linda Moulton Howe reported:

"One of the principal hallmarks of these mutilations is the complete absence of blood in the animal’s carcass or at the mutilation site. Strangely, these animals have almost always been completely drained of blood.


Another peculiarity is that tracks or footprints are never found around the animal’s body, even when weather conditions like rain, frost or snow would have favored their presence; no footprints, tire tacks, signs of a struggle - nothing at all. These mutilations also bear a remarkable similarity to one another. Perhaps one of their most notable characteristics is commonly referred to as a “jaw swipe.”


This term refers to a condition whereby one or both sides of the animal’s jaw are stripped of all tissue right down to the bare bone. For some unknown reason this often occurs on the left side of the animals face but not always. The right side is occasionally stripped in this way. Less frequently both sides of the jaw are removed. Also immediately evident are the removal of one or both eyes and ears.


Examination of the animal’s hind quarters often show evidence of “anal coring,” a procedure whereby the anus is cored out to a depth of several inches and used as a portal for extraction of the animals rectum. Other circular or teardrop shaped orifices cut into the torso also appear to be used for removal of organ systems located within the body cavity. Such a feat is impossible to carry out through such small openings, but most of the mutilated animal’s viscera are usually missing.


Forensic examination of the incisions used for extraction reveal that they appear to be made by a laser-like instrument. The incisions are clean, precise and carefully executed. A Denver pathologist named John Henry Altshuler, M.D. [5] examined Lady’s (a horse) carcass a few days after her body was found.

Actually, the Navy calls them "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" or UAP, and at no time did they ever suggest the UAP was extraterrestrial.
Of course the Navy is not going to say they are "extraterrestrial". Tic Toc shaped objects, hurling though the air, no visible means of thrust, no wings...
"Navy pilots reported to their superiors that the objects had no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes, but that they could reach 30,000 feet at hypersonic speeds."

Then there is the testimonies on Dr. Greer's "Disclosure" DVD, where some 400 professionals, military personnel, scientist, and the like, credible persons testifying to incredible things that happened while during their careers.

UFOs witnessed traversing one side of the horizon to the next in seconds, making right angle turns at hypersonic speeds. Right, these are made in the good ol' USA. Got it.
You don't seem to comprehend the vastness of space, [...].


You're assuming that an advanced technology from another planet a million years ahead of us is using technology of 2020 planet earth. These advanced crafts are not moving from point A to point B in a linear fashion using thrust type propellant. Who knows what is possible? What is clear from your comment is that it reeks of "man's poverty of imagination."


If you saw evidence that house was raided by a neighbor, you wouldn't go to great length to debunk the fact that your neighbor invaded your home.

These ETs are out there, they are real. Why is it so "fantastic" that they wouldn't be visiting us? Why would it be any more incredible than the case above of a neighbor invading your house if the evidence points to it?

Why is this fantastic? I'll tell you, it's because of "poverty of man's imagination". That is the only reason.

To me, it's no more or less matter of fact than the neighbor example. ETs are our neighbors, and like all neighbors, they drop in once in a while.

That's not crazy, it's logical as logical can be logical.
 
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Does your background in astrophysics allow you to consider what are described as worm holes? Was Einstein correct regarding the 'waves' or distortions in gravity and time/space?

The Einstein-Rosen bridge, which you refer to as "worm holes," is only for static or Schwarzschild BH. Meaning the BH must not have any spin, or charge (so far we haven't found any). A BH whose spin and/or whose charge is non-zero is called a Reissner-Nordström BH (these are the only type of BH we are finding). The immense electric field around a charged BH is so great that the individual atoms arriving at it would be ripped apart long before they would reach the BH, whereas that is not the case for a non-charged, rotating black hole. Both types of BH have a gravitational field of equal magnitude which is extremely powerful (greater than ~3 solar masses), but not in all cases powerful enough to annihilate ordinary matter at a distance (meaning the BH has less than ~10 solar masses). That means the "worm hole" they depicted parked next to the planet Saturn in the movie Interstellar, could not have happened. Introducing a "worm hole" anywhere into our solar system would completely destroy it. Since you are talking about introducing a 3 to 10 solar mass non-charged, rotating BH into our 1 solar mass solar system. Furthermore, the connection between the two BH proved to be mathematically unstable without the introduction of some exotic and entirely theoretical particle.
 
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The Einstein-Rosen bridge, which you refer to as "worm holes," is only for static or Schwarzschild BH. Meaning the BH must not have any spin, or charge (so far we haven't found any). A BH whose spin and/or whose charge is non-zero is called a Reissner-Nordström BH (these are the only type of BH we are finding). The immense electric field around a charged BH is so great that the individual atoms arriving at it would be ripped apart long before they would reach the BH, whereas that is not the case for a non-charged, rotating black hole. Both types of BH have a gravitational field of equal magnitude which is extremely powerful (greater than ~3 solar masses), but not in all cases powerful enough to annihilate ordinary matter at a distance (meaning the BH has less than ~10 solar masses). That means the "worm hole" they depicted parked next to the planet Saturn in the movie Interstellar, could not have happened. Introducing a "worm hole" anywhere into our solar system would completely destroy it. Since you are talking about introducing a 3 to 10 solar mass non-charged, rotating BH into our 1 solar mass solar system. Furthermore, the connection between the two BH proved to be mathematically unstable without the introduction of some exotic and entirely theoretical particle.

Your background in astrophysics seems somewhat overwhelmed by your apparent cognitive dissonance.

I am not talking about movie portrayals.
 
Your background in astrophysics seems somewhat overwhelmed by your apparent cognitive dissonance.

I am not talking about movie portrayals.

The closest black hole to Earth, that we know about, is V616 Monocerotis (a.k.a. A0620-00). It has a mass of 6.61 ± 0.25 suns and is located about 3,300 light years away. Assuming aliens managed to use it as a "worm hole," how do you propose these aliens of yours managed to travel the ~3,300 light years to Earth?

The entire "worm hole" idea as a means of travel is completely ludicrous and only taken seriously by those who have no understanding of the concept. Let's just pretend that gravity doesn't exist and we can place a 3 to 10 solar mass object anywhere we please without having any effect on the surroundings. That is a whole new level of stupidity right there.
 
The closest black hole to Earth, that we know about, is V616 Monocerotis (a.k.a. A0620-00). It has a mass of 6.61 ± 0.25 suns and is located about 3,300 light years away. Assuming aliens managed to use it as a "worm hole," how do you propose these aliens of yours managed to travel the ~3,300 light years to Earth?

The entire "worm hole" idea as a means of travel is completely ludicrous and only taken seriously by those who have no understanding of the concept. Let's just pretend that gravity doesn't exist and we can place a 3 to 10 solar mass object anywhere we please without having any effect on the surroundings. That is a whole new level of stupidity right there.

T72 utilizes the " cognitive dissonance" card when posters disagree with his views and he has no real way to defend them. Don't get trapped in defending your view. It is up to T72 and others to prove their theory. Each theory should stand on its own merits.

It could be possible that earth has had encounters from aliens if one believes that there are laws of physics that we humans have yet to discover. Yet the evidence provided in programs like Ancient Aliens is very subjective and full of "what if" statements.
 
We saw something on YT and the referred to scores of different "aliens" who have visited. Their names were a hood actually. No physical evidence.
 
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