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    Re: The "Majestic Documents"

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Does your background in astrophysics allow you to consider what are described as worm holes? Was Einstein correct regarding the 'waves' or distortions in gravity and time/space?
    The Einstein-Rosen bridge, which you refer to as "worm holes," is only for static or Schwarzschild BH. Meaning the BH must not have any spin, or charge (so far we haven't found any). A BH whose spin and/or whose charge is non-zero is called a Reissner-Nordström BH (these are the only type of BH we are finding). The immense electric field around a charged BH is so great that the individual atoms arriving at it would be ripped apart long before they would reach the BH, whereas that is not the case for a non-charged, rotating black hole. Both types of BH have a gravitational field of equal magnitude which is extremely powerful (greater than ~3 solar masses), but not in all cases powerful enough to annihilate ordinary matter at a distance (meaning the BH has less than ~10 solar masses). That means the "worm hole" they depicted parked next to the planet Saturn in the movie Interstellar, could not have happened. Introducing a "worm hole" anywhere into our solar system would completely destroy it. Since you are talking about introducing a 3 to 10 solar mass non-charged, rotating BH into our 1 solar mass solar system. Furthermore, the connection between the two BH proved to be mathematically unstable without the introduction of some exotic and entirely theoretical particle.
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    Re: The "Majestic Documents"

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    The Einstein-Rosen bridge, which you refer to as "worm holes," is only for static or Schwarzschild BH. Meaning the BH must not have any spin, or charge (so far we haven't found any). A BH whose spin and/or whose charge is non-zero is called a Reissner-Nordström BH (these are the only type of BH we are finding). The immense electric field around a charged BH is so great that the individual atoms arriving at it would be ripped apart long before they would reach the BH, whereas that is not the case for a non-charged, rotating black hole. Both types of BH have a gravitational field of equal magnitude which is extremely powerful (greater than ~3 solar masses), but not in all cases powerful enough to annihilate ordinary matter at a distance (meaning the BH has less than ~10 solar masses). That means the "worm hole" they depicted parked next to the planet Saturn in the movie Interstellar, could not have happened. Introducing a "worm hole" anywhere into our solar system would completely destroy it. Since you are talking about introducing a 3 to 10 solar mass non-charged, rotating BH into our 1 solar mass solar system. Furthermore, the connection between the two BH proved to be mathematically unstable without the introduction of some exotic and entirely theoretical particle.
    Your background in astrophysics seems somewhat overwhelmed by your apparent cognitive dissonance.

    I am not talking about movie portrayals.

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    Re: The "Majestic Documents"

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Your background in astrophysics seems somewhat overwhelmed by your apparent cognitive dissonance.

    I am not talking about movie portrayals.
    The closest black hole to Earth, that we know about, is V616 Monocerotis (a.k.a. A0620-00). It has a mass of 6.61 ± 0.25 suns and is located about 3,300 light years away. Assuming aliens managed to use it as a "worm hole," how do you propose these aliens of yours managed to travel the ~3,300 light years to Earth?

    The entire "worm hole" idea as a means of travel is completely ludicrous and only taken seriously by those who have no understanding of the concept. Let's just pretend that gravity doesn't exist and we can place a 3 to 10 solar mass object anywhere we please without having any effect on the surroundings. That is a whole new level of stupidity right there.

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    Re: The "Majestic Documents"

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    The closest black hole to Earth, that we know about, is V616 Monocerotis (a.k.a. A0620-00). It has a mass of 6.61 ± 0.25 suns and is located about 3,300 light years away. Assuming aliens managed to use it as a "worm hole," how do you propose these aliens of yours managed to travel the ~3,300 light years to Earth?

    The entire "worm hole" idea as a means of travel is completely ludicrous and only taken seriously by those who have no understanding of the concept. Let's just pretend that gravity doesn't exist and we can place a 3 to 10 solar mass object anywhere we please without having any effect on the surroundings. That is a whole new level of stupidity right there.
    T72 utilizes the " cognitive dissonance" card when posters disagree with his views and he has no real way to defend them. Don't get trapped in defending your view. It is up to T72 and others to prove their theory. Each theory should stand on its own merits.

    It could be possible that earth has had encounters from aliens if one believes that there are laws of physics that we humans have yet to discover. Yet the evidence provided in programs like Ancient Aliens is very subjective and full of "what if" statements.
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    Re: The "Majestic Documents"

    We saw something on YT and the referred to scores of different "aliens" who have visited. Their names were a hood actually. No physical evidence.
    Nothing is as it appears.

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    Re: The "Majestic Documents"

    Quote Originally Posted by SanderO View Post
    Yes the gov has secrets.

    Yes the gov will spin, lie, engage in PR rubbish and has unstated agendas.

    You appear to me to show the signs of cognitive dissonance typically rejecting anything "official" or from US gov or mainstream media.

    So explain this....

    The UFO thing has been in the consciousness of society since the late 40s. Everyone's heard about it. So why has no private citizen found an artifact and not turned it over to the gov and called a press conference to display their find?
    Yeah, I'm pretty sure aliens have not visited this earth. UFOs are merely unidentified flying object. Man made object, or secret military tests. Not surprisingly, a lot of sightings are near military researc bases like Area 51.

    I'm pretty sure there is intelligent life in the universe. But the universe is so vast and the distances so great, I just don't see it likely.

    Plus, every so called "proof" is some unclear video that doesn't really prove anything. And the most ridiculous ones are the ones that show bright lights in the sky. Why would aliens trying to remain unseen, be flying around with big lights advertising their presence?

    There is no way by this point that 1. the government could keep that secret for that long and 2. that no person or scientist outside the US government has gotten any real evidence

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    Re: The "Majestic Documents"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    What's the point? There are photos, but skeptics doubt them. Consider the AAITIP videos released recently by the navy.

    You have no idea what you are talking about.

    Moreover, there are other types of evidence. Read Dr. David Jacob's "Walking Among Us"

    There are mountains of data on UFOs, and I"m talkin' the rational variety, not the woo variety.
    The photos don't prove anything, they are always so grainy, and never completely clear. And easily explained by man made objects. ANd in this day and age of technology and drones, any new video is easily explained by the flood of man made stuff flying around in the skies

    And scientists would love coming across aliens. It would be unreal the research we could gain from having an alien, see how their body works. Would be awesome

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    A background in astrophysics does not necessarily mean one ends up with an open mind.

    Being in denial is not a matter of intelligence or training.
    Believing in things without any evidence and thinking they are real is not having an open mind. Scientists want evidence. Everybody should want evidence. And I think most people here aren't denying that there is likely alien life out there, or that aliens could one day visit us. But there is no good proof. Anecdotal stories and grainy pictures is all we have, from humans notorious for believing in things not really there and being dishonest, or embellishing stories.

    It is pretty close minded to be convinced aliens have visited earth without any concrete evidence. And the evidence is suspect, at best

    I should add, evidence of UFOs does not mean alien life. It just means that the object was unidentified
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    Re: The "Majestic Documents"

    Conceptually it is possible for an advanced civilization to travel in space. But we don't know or understand how they can travel the distances between stars with habitable planets for any number of reasons.... one of them being the lifespan of living beings. So perhaps they can do the trip in suspended animation and wake up have a visit. Then what? They take samples, do surveys and go back into suspended animation and wake up back at their home planet which has passed thousands of years. Unless space travel is time travel... this just doesn't make sense... let alone seem possible.
    Nothing is as it appears.

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    Re: The "Majestic Documents"

    Quote Originally Posted by SanderO View Post
    Conceptually it is possible for an advanced civilization to travel in space. But we don't know or understand how they can travel the distances between stars with habitable planets for any number of reasons.... one of them being the lifespan of living beings. So perhaps they can do the trip in suspended animation and wake up have a visit. Then what? They take samples, do surveys and go back into suspended animation and wake up back at their home planet which has passed thousands of years. Unless space travel is time travel... this just doesn't make sense... let alone seem possible.
    The most likely first encounter with an alien species will be through robotic probes. After all, that is how we have chosen to explore space beyond Earth. Life forms that evolve on planets are not going to find space a very inviting place. It is a major technological challenge just to survive in that environment. Using robotic probes also makes the most sense if you are going to be traveling interstellar distances while traveling slower than the speed of light.

    If there is intelligent life in the Milky Way galaxy, and we eventually do encounter them, it will most likely be either our or their robotic probe that makes first contact.

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    Re: The "Majestic Documents"

    Quote Originally Posted by SanderO View Post
    Yes the gov has secrets.

    Yes the gov will spin, lie, engage in PR rubbish and has unstated agendas.

    You appear to me to show the signs of cognitive dissonance typically rejecting anything "official" or from US gov or mainstream media.

    So explain this....

    The UFO thing has been in the consciousness of society since the late 40s. Everyone's heard about it. So why has no private citizen found an artifact and not turned it over to the gov and called a press conference to display their find?
    It's my guess there has been lots of that, but hampered by the 'Men in Black".

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