Are Cuba and Venezuela fomenting leftist violence in Latin America?

Craig234 said:

It's very true. When people base their wealth on exploitation of others, they support the exploitation. If you've ever met someone from Venezuela, there's a good chance they were in the former white ruling minority class, who are violently in favor of returning to that, and loyal to the US who is on their side to do so; or similarly with the formerly wealthier Cubans who form the exile community in the US. Just this week, they overthrew Morales in Bolivia in a coup.

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I remember reading Michael Parenti giving an account of a conversation he had with a Venezuelan woman on a plane headed to Caracas from the US. He said she was obviously a well educated business woman , part of the group we are referring to , so he decided to ask her what she thought of Chavez's government. She said she hated them and warned that they were destroying the country etc etc. He asked a series of questions regarding whether or not they had effected policies that had directly hit her herself and/or her business. She had to admit that no they hadn't but she hated them regardless. :roll:

Their real crime was that they had decided to spend some of the oil wealth on the mass of poor Venezuelans .

When we talk of this or that people inevitably we are talking about different groups within that people. So of course we will see the rich white Venezuelan elite preferring to work with US outsiders at the expense of their poor countrymen and women. The same plays out everywhere else too, as you pointed out with the Cuban exiles living in the US. Their loyalty is not to their fellow countrymen and women but to the rich elites of other nations .

oneworld2 said:

I remember reading Michael Parenti giving an account of a conversation he had with a Venezuelan woman on a plane headed to Caracas from the US. He said she was obviously a well educated business woman , part of the group we are referring to , so he decided to ask her what she thought of Chavez's government. She said she hated them and warned that they were destroying the country etc etc. He asked a series of questions regarding whether or not they had effected policies that had directly hit her herself and/or her business. She had to admit that no they hadn't but she hated them regardless. :roll:

Their real crime was that they had decided to spend some of the oil wealth on the mass of poor Venezuelans .

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Right. I think it's similar to the US history when whites had HUGE resentment against black people becoming 'equal' because they liked the 'superiority' they had. It ENRAGED them to lose that. Why should it be any different for races or classes below the border?

But it's invisible to Americans, because most Americans look at groups like 'Cubans' or 'Venezuelans' and they're all the same group, all 'Hispanic', not recognizing the differences, while the differences are very clear to those groups. Same in the Middle East, on and on. Russia's had the same thing, Asia... Americans largely oblivious, 'they're all Asians'.

Craig234 said:

Right. I think it's similar to the US history when whites had HUGE resentment against black people becoming 'equal' because they liked the 'superiority' they had. It ENRAGED them to lose that. Why should it be any different for races or classes below the border?

But it's invisible to Americans, because most Americans look at groups like 'Cubans' or 'Venezuelans' and they're all the same group, all 'Hispanic', not recognizing the differences, while the differences are very clear to those groups. Same in the Middle East, on and on. Russia's had the same thing, Asia... Americans largely oblivious, 'they're all Asians'.

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To use a phrase that doesn't see much light today but is as true now as ever it was regardless. It's a class war that is and has been fought everywhere since forever.

If people can't see that they don't live in a functioning democracy themselves when the 1% are stuffing the other 99% why should we expect them to see through the weapons of mass distraction used to hide the global class war that continues to rage ?

Race, religion , nationalism , gender , political bents of left and right are all useful weapons with which to keep that 99% in a state of constant subservience.

Craig234 said:

Right. I think it's similar to the US history when whites had HUGE resentment against black people becoming 'equal' because they liked the 'superiority' they had. It ENRAGED them to lose that. Why should it be any different for races or classes below the border?

But it's invisible to Americans, because most Americans look at groups like 'Cubans' or 'Venezuelans' and they're all the same group, all 'Hispanic', not recognizing the differences, while the differences are very clear to those groups. Same in the Middle East, on and on. Russia's had the same thing, Asia... Americans largely oblivious, 'they're all Asians'.

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Americans are oblivious, and thoroughly indoctrinated 24/7