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    Why is it always pedophiles?

    Never mind that the recent epstein case (and that of George Nader) show us that pedophiles and child-sex fiends have friends in high places on both sides of the aisle, why is it in particular that right-wingers focus on child abuse (i.e. Pizzagate) in their conspiracies? Part of it is no doubt projection, but a recent article argues it is rooted in the backlash against the sexual revolution.

    Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? – Mother Jones

    A short summary:

    1. Tangentially rooted in the ancient idea that Jews (later projected onto new enemies) ate children and drank their blood

    2. The Republicans, from Nixon to Reagan opposed legislation to make childcare easier; they called it communism, when the right was really against feminism.

    3. Co-opting then weaponizing the liberal approach of believing the victims whenever someone came forward

    4. 'Believing' Rumors about daycare centres such as McMartin in California; a reaction to the concept of working mothers, the fear of a family breakdown with kids as the victims

    5. The claims get wilder: official complacency or complicity, cover-ups satanic rituals, murders and so on

    6. A lengthy and inconclusive public trial encourages slow-boiling national panic that makes all daycare centres suspect, and the nefarious feminist motives behind their reason for being

    7. Accusations spread to other natural bugbears for the right - gay people and trans rights - as these have their day in the sun the way feminism did; bathroom scares and the like ensue.

    8. Panic is further transferred to other institutions, now at internet speed, such as Pizza parlors and the DNC

    9. Finally the conspiracy is 'validated' when a high profile case like Epstein comes along.

    This more or less brings us to the present state of using child abuse as a stick to beat any opponent with, whether it is justified or not. Note the mad rush for each side to associate the other's 'figurehead' (Trump or Clinton in this case) with Jeffrey Epstein.

    "The QAnon conspiracy picked up where Pizzagate left off, alleging that the liberal elite’s pedophile ring extends way beyond one restaurant and that it is only a matter of time before Trump arrests Podesta, Clinton, and other Democratic power brokers for their crimes. All of this was fueled by an anonymous internet poster dubbed Q, who claims to be a government insider."
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    Re: Why is it always pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by uptower View Post
    Never mind that the recent epstein case (and that of George Nader) show us that pedophiles and child-sex fiends have friends in high places on both sides of the aisle, why is it in particular that right-wingers focus on child abuse (i.e. Pizzagate) in their conspiracies? Part of it is no doubt projection, but a recent article argues it is rooted in the backlash against the sexual revolution.

    Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? – Mother Jones

    A short summary:

    1. Tangentially rooted in the ancient idea that Jews (later projected onto new enemies) ate children and drank their blood

    2. The Republicans, from Nixon to Reagan opposed legislation to make childcare easier; they called it communism

    3. Co-opting then weaponizing the liberal approach of believing the victims whenever someone came forward

    4. 'Believing' Rumors about daycare centres such as McMartin in California; a reaction to the concept of working mothers

    5. The claims get wilder: official complacency or complicity, cover-ups satanic rituals, murders and so on

    6. A lengthy and inconclusive public trial encourages slow-boiling national panic that makes all daycare centres suspect

    7. panic spreads to natural bugbears for the right: gay people and trans rights as these have their day in the sun; bathroom scares and the like ensue.

    8. Panic is further transferred to other institutions, now at internet speed, such as Pizza parlors and the DNC

    This more or less brings us to the present state of using child abuse as a stick to beat any opponent with, whether it is justified or not. Note the mad rush for each side to associate the other's 'figurehead' (Trump or Clinton in this case) with Jeffrey Epstein.
    Probably because no one cares about racists and antisemites anymore if they are found to be on one's own side. Nor do we care very much about sexual assault and rape when the accusations fall upon members of our own side. Any number of excuses will be made for them in order to minimize their impact, or they will turn such accusations around on the accusers to deflect blame.

    But the one vestige of common decency that still remains is the sanctity of children. At the very least no one, NO ONE, wants to be seen to have associated with a child rapist. So the accusation still holds weight.
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    Re: Why is it always pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by uptower View Post
    Never mind that the recent epstein case (and that of George Nader) show us that pedophiles and child-sex fiends have friends in high places on both sides of the aisle, why is it in particular that right-wingers focus on child abuse (i.e. Pizzagate) in their conspiracies? Part of it is no doubt projection, but a recent article argues it is rooted in the backlash against the sexual revolution.

    Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? – Mother Jones

    A short summary:

    1. Tangentially rooted in the ancient idea that Jews (later projected onto new enemies) ate children and drank their blood

    2. The Republicans, from Nixon to Reagan opposed legislation to make childcare easier; they called it communism

    3. Co-opting then weaponizing the liberal approach of believing the victims whenever someone came forward

    4. 'Believing' Rumors about daycare centres such as McMartin in California; a reaction to the concept of working mothers

    5. The claims get wilder: official complacency or complicity, cover-ups satanic rituals, murders and so on

    6. A lengthy and inconclusive public trial encourages slow-boiling national panic that makes all daycare centres suspect

    7. Accusations spread to natural bugbears for the right - gay people and trans rights - as these have their day in the sun; bathroom scares and the like ensue.

    8. Panic is further transferred to other institutions, now at internet speed, such as Pizza parlors and the DNC

    9. Finally the conspiracy is 'validated' when a high profile case like Epstein comes along.

    This more or less brings us to the present state of using child abuse as a stick to beat any opponent with, whether it is justified or not. Note the mad rush for each side to associate the other's 'figurehead' (Trump or Clinton in this case) with Jeffrey Epstein.
    What a bizarre topic and list. But it's MJ so . . .


    Also, somewhat distasteful trying to use child abuse as a political weapon/argument.
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    Re: Why is it always pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    Probably because no one cares about racists and antisemites anymore if they are found to be on one's own side. Nor do we care very much about sexual assault and rape when the accusations fall upon members of our own side. Any number of excuses will be made for them in order to minimize their impact, or they will turn such accusations around on the accusers to deflect blame.

    But the one vestige of common decency that still remains is the sanctity of children. At the very least no one, NO ONE, wants to be seen to have associated with a child rapist. So the accusation still holds weight.
    Yes I did neglect to mention it is about the most powerful accusation one can level at an opponent. Sex charges also are so stigmatic also they cause instant embarrassment, giving the appearance of guilt. That might work on a small scale, such as accusing a coworker of harassment, but a lurid fantasy aired in public against a politician, (such as Hillary and Pizzagate) is much easier to refute. But again nothing gets people's blood boiling like harm to children so it remains a preferred tactic.
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    Re: Why is it always pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    Probably because no one cares about racists and antisemites anymore if they are found to be on one's own side. Nor do we care very much about sexual assault and rape when the accusations fall upon members of our own side. Any number of excuses will be made for them in order to minimize their impact, or they will turn such accusations around on the accusers to deflect blame.

    But the one vestige of common decency that still remains is the sanctity of children. At the very least no one, NO ONE, wants to be seen to have associated with a child rapist. So the accusation still holds weight.
    Bull****. That doesn't apply to liberals, who don't tolerate racists (real racists, not right wingers trying to make stuff up like they do about Obama and Omar, for example), sex offenders (see Al Franken, who was forced to resign for bogus rigtht wingers tried to claim about him).

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    Re: Why is it always pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    What a bizarre topic and list. But it's MJ so . . .


    Also, somewhat distasteful trying to use child abuse as a political weapon/argument.
    Yes, Mother Jones is a partisan magazine, yes and not necessarily a paragon of 'taste'. But this tu cocque response to the source ignores the problem that child abuse accusation seems to be an obsession with the far right, and well, it's in the news again this week isn't it.
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    Re: Why is it always pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by uptower View Post
    Never mind that the recent epstein case (and that of George Nader) show us that pedophiles and child-sex fiends have friends in high places on both sides of the aisle, why is it in particular that right-wingers focus on child abuse (i.e. Pizzagate) in their conspiracies? Part of it is no doubt projection, but a recent article argues it is rooted in the backlash against the sexual revolution.

    Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? – Mother Jones

    A short summary:

    1. Tangentially rooted in the ancient idea that Jews (later projected onto new enemies) ate children and drank their blood

    2. The Republicans, from Nixon to Reagan opposed legislation to make childcare easier; they called it communism, when the right was really against feminism.

    3. Co-opting then weaponizing the liberal approach of believing the victims whenever someone came forward

    4. 'Believing' Rumors about daycare centres such as McMartin in California; a reaction to the concept of working mothers, the fear of a family breakdown with kids as the victims

    5. The claims get wilder: official complacency or complicity, cover-ups satanic rituals, murders and so on

    6. A lengthy and inconclusive public trial encourages slow-boiling national panic that makes all daycare centres suspect, and the nefarious feminist motives behind their reason for being

    7. Accusations spread to other natural bugbears for the right - gay people and trans rights - as these have their day in the sun the way feminism did; bathroom scares and the like ensue.

    8. Panic is further transferred to other institutions, now at internet speed, such as Pizza parlors and the DNC

    9. Finally the conspiracy is 'validated' when a high profile case like Epstein comes along.

    This more or less brings us to the present state of using child abuse as a stick to beat any opponent with, whether it is justified or not. Note the mad rush for each side to associate the other's 'figurehead' (Trump or Clinton in this case) with Jeffrey Epstein.
    I've seen conservatives equate homosexuality with pedophilia too. They get aghast at the thought of homosexual men teaching grade school or coaching kid's sports but they don't worry about heterosexual teachers and coaches preying on their daughters.
    So there might be something in what you're saying here.
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    Re: Why is it always pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by uptower View Post
    Never mind that the recent epstein case (and that of George Nader) show us that pedophiles and child-sex fiends have friends in high places on both sides of the aisle, why is it in particular that right-wingers focus on child abuse (i.e. Pizzagate) in their conspiracies? Part of it is no doubt projection, but a recent article argues it is rooted in the backlash against the sexual revolution.

    Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? – Mother Jones

    A short summary:

    1. Tangentially rooted in the ancient idea that Jews (later projected onto new enemies) ate children and drank their blood

    2. The Republicans, from Nixon to Reagan opposed legislation to make childcare easier; they called it communism, when the right was really against feminism.

    3. Co-opting then weaponizing the liberal approach of believing the victims whenever someone came forward

    4. 'Believing' Rumors about daycare centres such as McMartin in California; a reaction to the concept of working mothers, the fear of a family breakdown with kids as the victims

    5. The claims get wilder: official complacency or complicity, cover-ups satanic rituals, murders and so on

    6. A lengthy and inconclusive public trial encourages slow-boiling national panic that makes all daycare centres suspect, and the nefarious feminist motives behind their reason for being

    7. Accusations spread to other natural bugbears for the right - gay people and trans rights - as these have their day in the sun the way feminism did; bathroom scares and the like ensue.

    8. Panic is further transferred to other institutions, now at internet speed, such as Pizza parlors and the DNC

    9. Finally the conspiracy is 'validated' when a high profile case like Epstein comes along.

    This more or less brings us to the present state of using child abuse as a stick to beat any opponent with, whether it is justified or not. Note the mad rush for each side to associate the other's 'figurehead' (Trump or Clinton in this case) with Jeffrey Epstein.
    The entertainment industry has been sexualizing children since the ‘70’s. So now they are seen as “little adults” for creeps tp orey on. The cops can’t be everywhere. Plus a normal detective going after a guy like Epstein is going to have his career ended before it starts.

    Moral reasoning is being replaced with “what can I get away with”. And it seems if you are clever enough, rich enough, and connected enough, quite a lot.
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    Re: Why is it always pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I've seen conservatives equate homosexuality with pedophilia too. They get aghast at the thought of homosexual men teaching grade school or coaching kid's sports but they don't worry about heterosexual teachers and coaches preying on their daughters.
    So there might be something in what you're saying here.
    Or Roy Moore for that matter. Apparently abusing girls is in the bible, so it's okay. But the Republicans who were against women's rights couldn't really foresee a future right wing that has evolved into a pedophilia-rumor mill.
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    Re: Why is it always pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    The entertainment industry has been sexualizing children since the ‘70’s. So now they are seen as “little adults” for creeps to prey on. The cops can’t be everywhere. Plus a normal detective going after a guy like Epstein is going to have his career ended before it starts.

    Moral reasoning is being replaced with “what can I get away with”. And it seems if you are clever enough, rich enough, and connected enough, quite a lot.
    Actually that's a good point as well. The entertainment business may certainly have lowered everyone's guard a bit by sexualising minors; and the elites of course have always lived by different rules and been allowed to get away with crimes seen as 'minor' in their rich buddy circles.
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