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Why is it always pedophiles?

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Never mind that the recent epstein case (and that of George Nader) show us that pedophiles and child-sex fiends have friends in high places on both sides of the aisle, why is it in particular that right-wingers focus on child abuse (i.e. Pizzagate) in their conspiracies? Part of it is no doubt projection, but a recent article argues it is rooted in the backlash against the sexual revolution.

Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? – Mother Jones

A short summary:

1. Tangentially rooted in the ancient idea that Jews (later projected onto new enemies) ate children and drank their blood

2. The Republicans, from Nixon to Reagan opposed legislation to make childcare easier; they called it communism, when the right was really against feminism.

3. Co-opting then weaponizing the liberal approach of believing the victims whenever someone came forward

4. 'Believing' Rumors about daycare centres such as McMartin in California; a reaction to the concept of working mothers, the fear of a family breakdown with kids as the victims

5. The claims get wilder: official complacency or complicity, cover-ups satanic rituals, murders and so on

6. A lengthy and inconclusive public trial encourages slow-boiling national panic that makes all daycare centres suspect, and the nefarious feminist motives behind their reason for being

7. Accusations spread to other natural bugbears for the right - gay people and trans rights - as these have their day in the sun the way feminism did; bathroom scares and the like ensue.

8. Panic is further transferred to other institutions, now at internet speed, such as Pizza parlors and the DNC

9. Finally the conspiracy is 'validated' when a high profile case like Epstein comes along.

This more or less brings us to the present state of using child abuse as a stick to beat any opponent with, whether it is justified or not. Note the mad rush for each side to associate the other's 'figurehead' (Trump or Clinton in this case) with Jeffrey Epstein.

"The QAnon conspiracy picked up where Pizzagate left off, alleging that the liberal elite’s pedophile ring extends way beyond one restaurant and that it is only a matter of time before Trump arrests Podesta, Clinton, and other Democratic power brokers for their crimes. All of this was fueled by an anonymous internet poster dubbed Q, who claims to be a government insider."
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uptower said:
Never mind that the recent epstein case (and that of George Nader) show us that pedophiles and child-sex fiends have friends in high places on both sides of the aisle, why is it in particular that right-wingers focus on child abuse (i.e. Pizzagate) in their conspiracies? Part of it is no doubt projection, but a recent article argues it is rooted in the backlash against the sexual revolution.

Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? – Mother Jones

A short summary:

1. Tangentially rooted in the ancient idea that Jews (later projected onto new enemies) ate children and drank their blood

2. The Republicans, from Nixon to Reagan opposed legislation to make childcare easier; they called it communism

3. Co-opting then weaponizing the liberal approach of believing the victims whenever someone came forward

4. 'Believing' Rumors about daycare centres such as McMartin in California; a reaction to the concept of working mothers

5. The claims get wilder: official complacency or complicity, cover-ups satanic rituals, murders and so on

6. A lengthy and inconclusive public trial encourages slow-boiling national panic that makes all daycare centres suspect

7. panic spreads to natural bugbears for the right: gay people and trans rights as these have their day in the sun; bathroom scares and the like ensue.

8. Panic is further transferred to other institutions, now at internet speed, such as Pizza parlors and the DNC

This more or less brings us to the present state of using child abuse as a stick to beat any opponent with, whether it is justified or not. Note the mad rush for each side to associate the other's 'figurehead' (Trump or Clinton in this case) with Jeffrey Epstein.
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Probably because no one cares about racists and antisemites anymore if they are found to be on one's own side. Nor do we care very much about sexual assault and rape when the accusations fall upon members of our own side. Any number of excuses will be made for them in order to minimize their impact, or they will turn such accusations around on the accusers to deflect blame.

But the one vestige of common decency that still remains is the sanctity of children. At the very least no one, NO ONE, wants to be seen to have associated with a child rapist. So the accusation still holds weight.
 
uptower said:
Never mind that the recent epstein case (and that of George Nader) show us that pedophiles and child-sex fiends have friends in high places on both sides of the aisle, why is it in particular that right-wingers focus on child abuse (i.e. Pizzagate) in their conspiracies? Part of it is no doubt projection, but a recent article argues it is rooted in the backlash against the sexual revolution.

Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? – Mother Jones

A short summary:

1. Tangentially rooted in the ancient idea that Jews (later projected onto new enemies) ate children and drank their blood

2. The Republicans, from Nixon to Reagan opposed legislation to make childcare easier; they called it communism

3. Co-opting then weaponizing the liberal approach of believing the victims whenever someone came forward

4. 'Believing' Rumors about daycare centres such as McMartin in California; a reaction to the concept of working mothers

5. The claims get wilder: official complacency or complicity, cover-ups satanic rituals, murders and so on

6. A lengthy and inconclusive public trial encourages slow-boiling national panic that makes all daycare centres suspect

7. Accusations spread to natural bugbears for the right - gay people and trans rights - as these have their day in the sun; bathroom scares and the like ensue.

8. Panic is further transferred to other institutions, now at internet speed, such as Pizza parlors and the DNC

9. Finally the conspiracy is 'validated' when a high profile case like Epstein comes along.

This more or less brings us to the present state of using child abuse as a stick to beat any opponent with, whether it is justified or not. Note the mad rush for each side to associate the other's 'figurehead' (Trump or Clinton in this case) with Jeffrey Epstein.
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What a bizarre topic and list. But it's MJ so . . .


Also, somewhat distasteful trying to use child abuse as a political weapon/argument.
 
Felis Leo said:
Probably because no one cares about racists and antisemites anymore if they are found to be on one's own side. Nor do we care very much about sexual assault and rape when the accusations fall upon members of our own side. Any number of excuses will be made for them in order to minimize their impact, or they will turn such accusations around on the accusers to deflect blame.

But the one vestige of common decency that still remains is the sanctity of children. At the very least no one, NO ONE, wants to be seen to have associated with a child rapist. So the accusation still holds weight.
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Yes I did neglect to mention it is about the most powerful accusation one can level at an opponent. Sex charges also are so stigmatic also they cause instant embarrassment, giving the appearance of guilt. That might work on a small scale, such as accusing a coworker of harassment, but a lurid fantasy aired in public against a politician, (such as Hillary and Pizzagate) is much easier to refute. But again nothing gets people's blood boiling like harm to children so it remains a preferred tactic.
 
Felis Leo said:
Probably because no one cares about racists and antisemites anymore if they are found to be on one's own side. Nor do we care very much about sexual assault and rape when the accusations fall upon members of our own side. Any number of excuses will be made for them in order to minimize their impact, or they will turn such accusations around on the accusers to deflect blame.

But the one vestige of common decency that still remains is the sanctity of children. At the very least no one, NO ONE, wants to be seen to have associated with a child rapist. So the accusation still holds weight.
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Bull****. That doesn't apply to liberals, who don't tolerate racists (real racists, not right wingers trying to make stuff up like they do about Obama and Omar, for example), sex offenders (see Al Franken, who was forced to resign for bogus rigtht wingers tried to claim about him).
 
Bullseye said:
What a bizarre topic and list. But it's MJ so . . .


Also, somewhat distasteful trying to use child abuse as a political weapon/argument.
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Yes, Mother Jones is a partisan magazine, yes and not necessarily a paragon of 'taste'. But this tu cocque response to the source ignores the problem that child abuse accusation seems to be an obsession with the far right, and well, it's in the news again this week isn't it.
 
uptower said:
Never mind that the recent epstein case (and that of George Nader) show us that pedophiles and child-sex fiends have friends in high places on both sides of the aisle, why is it in particular that right-wingers focus on child abuse (i.e. Pizzagate) in their conspiracies? Part of it is no doubt projection, but a recent article argues it is rooted in the backlash against the sexual revolution.

Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? – Mother Jones

A short summary:

1. Tangentially rooted in the ancient idea that Jews (later projected onto new enemies) ate children and drank their blood

2. The Republicans, from Nixon to Reagan opposed legislation to make childcare easier; they called it communism, when the right was really against feminism.

3. Co-opting then weaponizing the liberal approach of believing the victims whenever someone came forward

4. 'Believing' Rumors about daycare centres such as McMartin in California; a reaction to the concept of working mothers, the fear of a family breakdown with kids as the victims

5. The claims get wilder: official complacency or complicity, cover-ups satanic rituals, murders and so on

6. A lengthy and inconclusive public trial encourages slow-boiling national panic that makes all daycare centres suspect, and the nefarious feminist motives behind their reason for being

7. Accusations spread to other natural bugbears for the right - gay people and trans rights - as these have their day in the sun the way feminism did; bathroom scares and the like ensue.

8. Panic is further transferred to other institutions, now at internet speed, such as Pizza parlors and the DNC

9. Finally the conspiracy is 'validated' when a high profile case like Epstein comes along.

This more or less brings us to the present state of using child abuse as a stick to beat any opponent with, whether it is justified or not. Note the mad rush for each side to associate the other's 'figurehead' (Trump or Clinton in this case) with Jeffrey Epstein.
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I've seen conservatives equate homosexuality with pedophilia too. They get aghast at the thought of homosexual men teaching grade school or coaching kid's sports but they don't worry about heterosexual teachers and coaches preying on their daughters.
So there might be something in what you're saying here.
 
uptower said:
Never mind that the recent epstein case (and that of George Nader) show us that pedophiles and child-sex fiends have friends in high places on both sides of the aisle, why is it in particular that right-wingers focus on child abuse (i.e. Pizzagate) in their conspiracies? Part of it is no doubt projection, but a recent article argues it is rooted in the backlash against the sexual revolution.

Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? – Mother Jones

A short summary:

1. Tangentially rooted in the ancient idea that Jews (later projected onto new enemies) ate children and drank their blood

2. The Republicans, from Nixon to Reagan opposed legislation to make childcare easier; they called it communism, when the right was really against feminism.

3. Co-opting then weaponizing the liberal approach of believing the victims whenever someone came forward

4. 'Believing' Rumors about daycare centres such as McMartin in California; a reaction to the concept of working mothers, the fear of a family breakdown with kids as the victims

5. The claims get wilder: official complacency or complicity, cover-ups satanic rituals, murders and so on

6. A lengthy and inconclusive public trial encourages slow-boiling national panic that makes all daycare centres suspect, and the nefarious feminist motives behind their reason for being

7. Accusations spread to other natural bugbears for the right - gay people and trans rights - as these have their day in the sun the way feminism did; bathroom scares and the like ensue.

8. Panic is further transferred to other institutions, now at internet speed, such as Pizza parlors and the DNC

9. Finally the conspiracy is 'validated' when a high profile case like Epstein comes along.

This more or less brings us to the present state of using child abuse as a stick to beat any opponent with, whether it is justified or not. Note the mad rush for each side to associate the other's 'figurehead' (Trump or Clinton in this case) with Jeffrey Epstein.
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The entertainment industry has been sexualizing children since the ‘70’s. So now they are seen as “little adults” for creeps tp orey on. The cops can’t be everywhere. Plus a normal detective going after a guy like Epstein is going to have his career ended before it starts.

Moral reasoning is being replaced with “what can I get away with”. And it seems if you are clever enough, rich enough, and connected enough, quite a lot.
 
Grand Mal said:
I've seen conservatives equate homosexuality with pedophilia too. They get aghast at the thought of homosexual men teaching grade school or coaching kid's sports but they don't worry about heterosexual teachers and coaches preying on their daughters.
So there might be something in what you're saying here.
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Or Roy Moore for that matter. Apparently abusing girls is in the bible, so it's okay. But the Republicans who were against women's rights couldn't really foresee a future right wing that has evolved into a pedophilia-rumor mill.
 
chuckiechan said:
The entertainment industry has been sexualizing children since the ‘70’s. So now they are seen as “little adults” for creeps to prey on. The cops can’t be everywhere. Plus a normal detective going after a guy like Epstein is going to have his career ended before it starts.

Moral reasoning is being replaced with “what can I get away with”. And it seems if you are clever enough, rich enough, and connected enough, quite a lot.
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Actually that's a good point as well. The entertainment business may certainly have lowered everyone's guard a bit by sexualising minors; and the elites of course have always lived by different rules and been allowed to get away with crimes seen as 'minor' in their rich buddy circles.
 
uptower said:
Part of it is no doubt projection..
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I stopped reading your OP with an objective attitude when I read this. You could only wait until sentence #2 to make a generalization that people who are concerned about children being abused are just 'projecting'. :roll:
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Bull****. That doesn't apply to liberals, who don't tolerate racists (real racists, not right wingers trying to make stuff up like they do about Obama and Omar, for example), sex offenders (see Al Franken, who was forced to resign for bogus rigtht wingers tried to claim about him).
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Maybe your post here is a good reminder of where the left's morals lie; perhaps the left consider racism to be 'the ultimate sin', while the right views sexual abuse of a child as the worst sin a person can commit? There needs to be a study about that then.
 
truthatallcost said:
I stopped reading your OP with an objective attitude when I read this. You could only wait until sentence #2 to make a generalization that people who are concerned about children being abused are just 'projecting'. :roll:
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Well you probably wouldn't have liked the rest of it anyway.

However to your point I may have gone too far in tarring the entire Republican party with that brush, so I'm happy to walk that part back somewhat: While not everyone on the right is to blame, it is true that often those who scream loudest have the most to hide: We all saw how some people rushed to Roy Moore's defence, some not to merely deny the accusations against him, which is a normal reaction, but to the point they claimed what he was accused of was 'natural' or even 'biblical'. Those voices exist within the Republican party and, well rates of child marriage are higher in red states.
 
uptower said:
Yes, Mother Jones is a partisan magazine, yes and not necessarily a paragon of 'taste'. But this tu cocque response to the source ignores the problem that child abuse accusation seems to be an obsession with the far right, and well, it's in the news again this week isn't it.
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"Obsession"? Epstein is getting publicity from media of all ideologies. Child abuse is non-partisan. Pointing out MJ's dubious connections and strained analogies is hardly "tuquoque". It's realistic.
 
uptower said:
Well you probably wouldn't have liked the rest of it anyway.
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I did read the rest of it, but with the knowledge that you assume the same kind of CT ideas about 'the right' that you attribute to people responsible for the Pizzagate hoax, i.e., 'they must be guilty of something sinister, even though I have no evidence of it'.

However to your point I may have gone too far in tarring the entire Republican party with that brush, so I'm happy to walk that part back somewhat: While not everyone on the right is to blame, it is true that often those who scream loudest have the most to hide: We all saw how some people rushed to Roy Moore's defence, some not to merely deny the accusations against him, which is a normal reaction, but to the point they claimed what he was accused of was 'natural' or even 'biblical'. Those voices exist within the Republican party and, well rates of child marriage are higher in red states.
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No, you didn't 'walk back that part somewhat', instead you chose to double down, and with a Wikipedia article no less. (and something completely anecdotal about the Roy Moore scandal).

California doesn't have statistics to release on the number of child brides in the state, because we simply decided not to count them. Sounds typical.

"According to the study released earlier this month, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) approved 8,686 petitions in the past decade or so for spousal or fiancé entry involving juveniles.

There were more than 5,000 examples of adults petitioning on behalf of minors and nearly 3,000 in which minors sought to bring in older spouses or fiancés, per the data, which was requested in 2017 by the Senate subcommittee. “Our immigration system may unintentionally shield the abuse of women and children,” the senators said in their letter requesting the data.

Most of the requests came from Mexico, followed by Pakistan, Jordan, the Dominican Republic and Yemen. At least two cases in the report involved a girl as young as 13. In one instance, a 49-year-old man applied for a visa for a 15-year-old girl; in another case, a 71-year-old man sought to bring a 17-year-old wife to the U.S."

So while many Democrats carry on stereotypes which are in fact outdated and trite, it's their policies and special interest groups that will ensure child marriage continues in the USA long into the future.
 
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I mean, rich and/or powerful people having sexual relations with children is nothing new. It wasn't all that long ago that we didn't live to be but half as well, so some things made a bit more sense.
 
nekrodev said:
I mean, rich and/or powerful people having sexual relations with children is nothing new. It wasn't all that long ago that we didn't live to be but half as well, so some things made a bit more sense.
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And here that master plan of Christianity's master race of pedophilia making Islamophobia pedophilia the national religion is no better than the multitude of Catholic Church pedophile priests in American problems of politics. Must have been obvious to descendants of Abraham what Arab "death to the infidels" 9/11 flying carpet make believe sky-fairy attack to nuke Temple Mount consisted of, but the US was far more entertained with their super egos second coming of "serve the Pope or die" pedophilia resulting in 21st century Christianity Islamophobia pedophilia history .
 
uptower said:
Yes I did neglect to mention it is about the most powerful accusation one can level at an opponent. Sex charges also are so stigmatic also they cause instant embarrassment, giving the appearance of guilt. That might work on a small scale, such as accusing a coworker of harassment, but a lurid fantasy aired in public against a politician, (such as Hillary and Pizzagate) is much easier to refute. But again nothing gets people's blood boiling like harm to children so it remains a preferred tactic.
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That was the unlimited vicious tactic used in the most corrupt ways against Justice Kavanaugh in his confirmation hearing by Democrats on the committee.
 
saltydancin said:
And here that master plan of Christianity's master race of pedophilia making Islamophobia pedophilia the national religion is no better than the multitude of Catholic Church pedophile priests in American problems of politics. Must have been obvious to descendants of Abraham what Arab "death to the infidels" 9/11 flying carpet make believe sky-fairy attack to nuke Temple Mount consisted of, but the US was far more entertained with their super egos second coming of "serve the Pope or die" pedophilia resulting in 21st century Christianity Islamophobia pedophilia history .
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So, is Epstein a Catholic priest or a Muslim in your opinion?
 
Why is it that americans call sex with with teenagers(those between about 14 an 18) "pedophilia" ??? That's pretty normal and legal in lots of countries! Age of consent varies a bit for sure, but it's only in very backwards countries where it's 18.

Pedophilia, from a medical and scientific perspective, is the sexual attraction towards PRE-PUBESCENT children, that is, towards children that have no sexual characteristics (like breasts) and no ability and desire to procreate! Ages like 18(or 21 or whatever) are arbitrarily set and mean absolutely nothing(idiots like to argue about "psychological maturity" but that's pseudoscientific nonsense)

It looks like americans like to impose their irrational conservative ideas on others, using the law! The problem is that they're destroying lives with their stupid, irrational crap!
 
Talking about conspiracy theories and pedophilia, I just listened to a podcast talking about the possibility that Sandusky was actually innocent. It was actually pretty convincing.
 
Lower the age of consent to age 12
 
joko104 said:
So, is Epstein a Catholic priest or a Muslim in your opinion?
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Haven't read that much on the subject, but odds are the Catholic Church one nation under God "serve the Pope or die" crusades exerted undue influence as doubt there were that many "death to the infidels" Muslims interacting in his life.
 
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