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Who is Damaging Marine Tankers off the Coast of the UAE and in the Gulf of Oman?

Evilroddy

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Since there is a paucity of evidence to indicate what state or non-state actor is behind the six events which have damaged six foreign tankers in the wider Persian Gulf region and six Iranian ships in Iranian ports, this serious question must, for now, be relegated to the CT forum.

So what is the speculation about who is behind the attacks? If anyone has knowledge of any actual evidence to attribute cause in any of these cases, then that would be great too.

Tankers reported damaged off UAE on major oil trade route

Two Saudi oil tankers receive ‘significant damage’ in alleged sabotage attack - National | Globalnews.ca

Mysterious Blazes on Six Iranian Ships in Iranian Ports

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Probably the US, or Israel (Bibi said he owes Trump big time)working on behalf of the US, looking for a reason to attack Iran... GOP tactic, come up with a BS reason for a war... Elections are 18 months away. And none of their kids are probably in the military.. See Iraq and WMD's..
 
Will Trump selectively believe his intelligence groups this time?
 
Evilroddy said:
Since there is a paucity of evidence to indicate what state or non-state actor is behind the six events which have damaged six foreign tankers in the wider Persian Gulf region and six Iranian ships in Iranian ports, this serious question must, for now, be relegated to the CT forum.

So what is the speculation about who is behind the attacks? If anyone has knowledge of any actual evidence to attribute cause in any of these cases, then that would be great too.

Tankers reported damaged off UAE on major oil trade route

Two Saudi oil tankers receive ‘significant damage’ in alleged sabotage attack - National | Globalnews.ca

Mysterious Blazes on Six Iranian Ships in Iranian Ports

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Iran.
 
Looks like the warhawks are at it yet again.
 
next up, Colin Powell to exhibit the grainy photographs that clearly show iran is responsible

sarcasm sign big bang.jpg
 
During Pompeo’s remarks earlier, he said, paraphrasing here, that the sophistication and technical expertise pointed to Iran. Not a proxy of Iran. Later the news reported that both tankers had been attacked, or ran into, naval mines. Naval mines have been around for centuries. Not all that high-tech, imo.
 
Rexedgar said:
Well, I think this means you can move this thread out of CT.

Watch: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo speaks after oil tanker attacks
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DiAnna said:
Iran.
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Rexedgar and DiAnna:

I'm not so sure. The SoS said that it was the assessment of US Government that the attacks were carried out by Iran, but he offered no evidence to back up this assessment and took no questions from the reporters covering his speech. This reminds me of the informational warfare which was used to shape public perceptions before the 2003 Iraq invasion which culminated with the now understood to be false data provided to and by SoS Colin Powell which sealed the deal for war. The evidence did not bear out the casus belli of that war and there is no evidence being offered as a run up to possible hostilities with Iran.

The reports that Iranian ships have been attacked in Iranian ports muddies the waters too. The UAE, Saudi Arabia and the State of Israel all have a vested interest in seeing a regional conflict with Iran but Iran has no interest in starting a war with four states which when combined could wreck the Islamic State of Iran.

Finally as calls for investigation and even impeachment rise in the House might not a good old-fashioned war be the tonic to tamp down a legislative insurgency against the Chief Executive and the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces?

Somethings just don't add up and I want to see evidence before believing Mr. Pompeo et. al.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Rexedgar and DiAnna:

I'm not so sure. The SoS said that it was the assessment of US Government that the attacks were carried out by Iran, but he offered no evidence to back up this assessment and took no questions from the reporters covering his speech. This reminds me of the informational warfare which was used to shape public perceptions before the 2003 Iraq invasion which culminated with the now understood to be false data provided to and by SoS Colin Powell which sealed the deal for war. The evidence did not bear out the casus belli of that war and there is no evidence being offered as a run up to possible hostilities with Iran.

The reports that Iranian ships have been attacked in Iranian ports muddies the waters too. The UAE, Saudi Arabia and the State of Israel all have a vested interest in seeing a regional conflict with Iran but Iran has no interest in starting a war with four states which when combined could wreck the Islamic State of Iran.

Finally as calls for investigation and even impeachment rise in the House might not a good old-fashioned war be the tonic to tamp down a legislative insurgency against the Chief Executive and the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces?

Somethings just don't add up and I want to see evidence before believing Mr. Pompeo et. al.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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I tried to convey my skepticism in post #10. There are too many moving pieces. Now it is reported that both vessels were carrying Japanese bound cargo. Reports state mines were used. When I think of naval mines, I see random hits, similar to a bear trap placed along a known trail. This area seems a bit narrow for randomly placed mines. If the mines were physically placed on the hulls then that brings something else to the fore. Reports state that one of the vessels had an unexploded mine attached. As you post, more information is needed. Going to be a Friday worth paying attention to?
 
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Rexedgar said:
I tried to convey my skepticism in post #10. There are too many moving pieces. Now it is reported that both vessels were carrying Japanese bound cargo. Reports state mines were used. When I think of naval mines, I see random hits, similar to a bear trap placed along a known trail. This area seems a bit narrow for randomly placed mines. If the mines were physically placed on the hulls then that brings something else to the fore. Reports state that one of the vessels had an Un exploded mine attached. As you post, more information is needed. Going to be a Friday worth paying attention to?
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Rexedgar:

Yes, I saw your uncertainty at the "pat" (your word which I strongly agree with) nature of the situation. I wonder if the mines are in fact limpit mines being attached to hulls of ships near the waterline by divers/saboteurs but also placed to do no really critical damage to the targetted ships.

Yes,, Friday and beyond will be very interesting.

Cheer.
Evilroddy.
 
If King Tweety says it's Iran, that's evidence that it isn't, as he is a lying orange lump.
 
Airyaman said:
I haven't seen enough.
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You must be very young.

In 1970 in Southeast Asia, I watched and learned that the CIA was in the drug business. Plus, I was alive and well when Iran-Contra took place. I am also aware of the fact that the agency finally admitted that Gary Webb had been right all along.

After the WMD fiasco with Sec State Colin Powell, I believe precious little of what those agencies say.
 
Rexedgar said:
During Pompeo’s remarks earlier, he said, paraphrasing here, that the sophistication and technical expertise pointed to Iran. Not a proxy of Iran. Later the news reported that both tankers had been attacked, or ran into, naval mines. Naval mines have been around for centuries. Not all that high-tech, imo.
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The Iranians are not strangers to naval mine warfare, and they had already been caught red handed laying naval mines in the Gulf waterways during the Iran - Iraq war; this led to the damage of oil tankers and the US Navy executing Operation Praying Mantis.


But that does make me wonder why the Iranians ( if it is the Iranians) would want to repeat the same mistakes that ended so disastrously for them.
 
Bum said:
The Iranians are not strangers to naval mine warfare, and they had already been caught red handed laying naval mines in the Gulf waterways during the Iran - Iraq war; this led to the damage of oil tankers and the US Navy executing Operation Praying Mantis.


But that does make me wonder why the Iranians ( if it is the Iranians) would want to repeat the same mistakes that ended so disastrously for them.
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I come from five generations of soldiers and sailors. When I was young, I was indoctrinated into believing what my country told me. After many disappointments, I look a little more with a jaundiced eye on what happens on the world stage. The pieces here seem to fit a little too well. Cynicism and skepticism come with some age and experience.

On a tangent, when you begin day one with, “largest inauguration crowd ever, period,” it becomes difficult to follow blindly.
 
One should take any source of information with a bit of skepticism. True, the US Govt. has at times lied, didn't tell the full story and manipulated the story to fit an agenda Yet people like Alex Jones or Prager, publication like Veterans Today and groups like AEA911T or CIT911 do the same. Check and verify should be done.
 
Rexedgar said:
I come from five generations of soldiers and sailors. When I was young, I was indoctrinated into believing what my country told me. After many disappointments, I look a little more with a jaundiced eye on what happens on the world stage. The pieces here seem to fit a little too well. Cynicism and skepticism come with some age and experience.

On a tangent, when you begin day one with, “largest inauguration crowd ever, period,” it becomes difficult to follow blindly.
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I like to distinguish between country and government.

So did Mark Twain, observing that "patriotism means supporting one's country all the time, and its government only when it deserves it."
 
Like I said DO NOT discount Bibi and Israel's possibility of doing this on Trump's behalf.. It might be a false flag... Israel wants a war with Iran, so does Trump.. And Bibi owes Trump.. He'll do anything to hold onto power and kiss Trump's ass.

Benjamin Netanyahu just unveiled Israel’s newest town: “Trump Heights”..

sraeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu unveiled a plaque marking the location of the newest settlement in the Golan Heights on Sunday.

The marker proclaims the settlement will be known as “Trump Heights.” Netanyahu said the name was chosen to thank President Donald Trump for breaking decades of US tradition and recognizing the Golan Heights as part of Israel in March. Prior to that point, the US observed the international custom of considering it occupied territory.

Trump Heights, called “Ramat Trump” in Hebrew, is a symbol of the airtight alliance that’s developed between the US and Israel. Trump has repeatedly aligned himself with Netanyahu’s right-wing policy vision for his country and the Middle East.

The new town has yet to be built, but the ceremony marking the name and location of the settlement was conducted with much fanfare by the Israeli government. Netanyahu called it “a historic day” and praised Trump as a “friend of Israel.”

In a tweet, Trump thanked Netanyahu “and the State of Israel for this great honor.”

Benjamin Netanyahu just unveiled Israel’s newest town: “Trump Heights” - Vox
 
Trump Heights and other actions show that if Donald is in anybody's pocket, it is Bibi's pocket.
 
Evilroddy said:
Rexedgar and DiAnna:

I'm not so sure. The SoS said that it was the assessment of US Government that the attacks were carried out by Iran, but he offered no evidence to back up this assessment and took no questions from the reporters covering his speech. This reminds me of the informational warfare which was used to shape public perceptions before the 2003 Iraq invasion which culminated with the now understood to be false data provided to and by SoS Colin Powell which sealed the deal for war. The evidence did not bear out the casus belli of that war and there is no evidence being offered as a run up to possible hostilities with Iran.

The reports that Iranian ships have been attacked in Iranian ports muddies the waters too. The UAE, Saudi Arabia and the State of Israel all have a vested interest in seeing a regional conflict with Iran but Iran has no interest in starting a war with four states which when combined could wreck the Islamic State of Iran.

Finally as calls for investigation and even impeachment rise in the House might not a good old-fashioned war be the tonic to tamp down a legislative insurgency against the Chief Executive and the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces?

Somethings just don't add up and I want to see evidence before believing Mr. Pompeo et. al.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Pompeo has the credibility of Barr in my mind. I also take what the military says with a grain of salt since they've been known to lie before, See Roswell. We have a UFO, never mind it's a weather balloon. This reminds me of the gulf of tonkin to kick the vietnam war into high gear. Or more recently the mushroom cloud and aluminum tubes. Colin Powell sold his soul at the UN that day.
 
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