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    Re: Who is Damaging Marine Tankers off the Coast of the UAE and in the Gulf of Oman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    Well, I think this means you can move this thread out of CT.

    Watch: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo speaks after oil tanker attacks
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    Iran.
    Rexedgar and DiAnna:

    I'm not so sure. The SoS said that it was the assessment of US Government that the attacks were carried out by Iran, but he offered no evidence to back up this assessment and took no questions from the reporters covering his speech. This reminds me of the informational warfare which was used to shape public perceptions before the 2003 Iraq invasion which culminated with the now understood to be false data provided to and by SoS Colin Powell which sealed the deal for war. The evidence did not bear out the casus belli of that war and there is no evidence being offered as a run up to possible hostilities with Iran.

    The reports that Iranian ships have been attacked in Iranian ports muddies the waters too. The UAE, Saudi Arabia and the State of Israel all have a vested interest in seeing a regional conflict with Iran but Iran has no interest in starting a war with four states which when combined could wreck the Islamic State of Iran.

    Finally as calls for investigation and even impeachment rise in the House might not a good old-fashioned war be the tonic to tamp down a legislative insurgency against the Chief Executive and the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces?

    Somethings just don't add up and I want to see evidence before believing Mr. Pompeo et. al.

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    Re: Who is Damaging Marine Tankers off the Coast of the UAE and in the Gulf of Oman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    Rexedgar and DiAnna:

    I'm not so sure. The SoS said that it was the assessment of US Government that the attacks were carried out by Iran, but he offered no evidence to back up this assessment and took no questions from the reporters covering his speech. This reminds me of the informational warfare which was used to shape public perceptions before the 2003 Iraq invasion which culminated with the now understood to be false data provided to and by SoS Colin Powell which sealed the deal for war. The evidence did not bear out the casus belli of that war and there is no evidence being offered as a run up to possible hostilities with Iran.

    The reports that Iranian ships have been attacked in Iranian ports muddies the waters too. The UAE, Saudi Arabia and the State of Israel all have a vested interest in seeing a regional conflict with Iran but Iran has no interest in starting a war with four states which when combined could wreck the Islamic State of Iran.

    Finally as calls for investigation and even impeachment rise in the House might not a good old-fashioned war be the tonic to tamp down a legislative insurgency against the Chief Executive and the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces?

    Somethings just don't add up and I want to see evidence before believing Mr. Pompeo et. al.

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    I tried to convey my skepticism in post #10. There are too many moving pieces. Now it is reported that both vessels were carrying Japanese bound cargo. Reports state mines were used. When I think of naval mines, I see random hits, similar to a bear trap placed along a known trail. This area seems a bit narrow for randomly placed mines. If the mines were physically placed on the hulls then that brings something else to the fore. Reports state that one of the vessels had an unexploded mine attached. As you post, more information is needed. Going to be a Friday worth paying attention to?
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    Re: Who is Damaging Marine Tankers off the Coast of the UAE and in the Gulf of Oman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    I tried to convey my skepticism in post #10. There are too many moving pieces. Now it is reported that both vessels were carrying Japanese bound cargo. Reports state mines were used. When I think of naval mines, I see random hits, similar to a bear trap placed along a known trail. This area seems a bit narrow for randomly placed mines. If the mines were physically placed on the hulls then that brings something else to the fore. Reports state that one of the vessels had an Un exploded mine attached. As you post, more information is needed. Going to be a Friday worth paying attention to?
    Rexedgar:

    Yes, I saw your uncertainty at the "pat" (your word which I strongly agree with) nature of the situation. I wonder if the mines are in fact limpit mines being attached to hulls of ships near the waterline by divers/saboteurs but also placed to do no really critical damage to the targetted ships.

    Yes,, Friday and beyond will be very interesting.

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    Re: Who is Damaging Marine Tankers off the Coast of the UAE and in the Gulf of Oman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airyaman View Post
    Will Trump selectively believe his intelligence groups this time?
    Do you believe his 'intelligence groups'?

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    Re: Who is Damaging Marine Tankers off the Coast of the UAE and in the Gulf of Oman?

    If King Tweety says it's Iran, that's evidence that it isn't, as he is a lying orange lump.

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    Re: Who is Damaging Marine Tankers off the Coast of the UAE and in the Gulf of Oman?

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    Do you believe his 'intelligence groups'?
    I haven't seen enough.
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    Re: Who is Damaging Marine Tankers off the Coast of the UAE and in the Gulf of Oman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airyaman View Post
    I haven't seen enough.
    You must be very young.

    In 1970 in Southeast Asia, I watched and learned that the CIA was in the drug business. Plus, I was alive and well when Iran-Contra took place. I am also aware of the fact that the agency finally admitted that Gary Webb had been right all along.

    After the WMD fiasco with Sec State Colin Powell, I believe precious little of what those agencies say.

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    Re: Who is Damaging Marine Tankers off the Coast of the UAE and in the Gulf of Oman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    During Pompeo’s remarks earlier, he said, paraphrasing here, that the sophistication and technical expertise pointed to Iran. Not a proxy of Iran. Later the news reported that both tankers had been attacked, or ran into, naval mines. Naval mines have been around for centuries. Not all that high-tech, imo.
    The Iranians are not strangers to naval mine warfare, and they had already been caught red handed laying naval mines in the Gulf waterways during the Iran - Iraq war; this led to the damage of oil tankers and the US Navy executing Operation Praying Mantis.


    But that does make me wonder why the Iranians ( if it is the Iranians) would want to repeat the same mistakes that ended so disastrously for them.

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    Re: Who is Damaging Marine Tankers off the Coast of the UAE and in the Gulf of Oman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bum View Post
    The Iranians are not strangers to naval mine warfare, and they had already been caught red handed laying naval mines in the Gulf waterways during the Iran - Iraq war; this led to the damage of oil tankers and the US Navy executing Operation Praying Mantis.


    But that does make me wonder why the Iranians ( if it is the Iranians) would want to repeat the same mistakes that ended so disastrously for them.

    I come from five generations of soldiers and sailors. When I was young, I was indoctrinated into believing what my country told me. After many disappointments, I look a little more with a jaundiced eye on what happens on the world stage. The pieces here seem to fit a little too well. Cynicism and skepticism come with some age and experience.

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    Re: Who is Damaging Marine Tankers off the Coast of the UAE and in the Gulf of Oman?

    One should take any source of information with a bit of skepticism. True, the US Govt. has at times lied, didn't tell the full story and manipulated the story to fit an agenda Yet people like Alex Jones or Prager, publication like Veterans Today and groups like AEA911T or CIT911 do the same. Check and verify should be done.
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