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Thinking about 9/11

And it takes no notice of the fact that governments change every four years.

Yes, one would have expected Obama's administration to have exposed Bush's nefarious and Byzantine plot. Oh no! It's the Deep State (or is that 'Derp State'?).

Have you noticed that some truthers that hated Bush for his supposed 'false flag' now embrace Trump as the Messiah? Weird.
 
You know damn well CD isn't a fact. How can you actually post that knowing it's untrue?

No Spook, I know damn well CD is very much a fact. The NIST process and conclusion is pure nonsense. Gravity and office fires could not possibly have caused the damage observed at Ground Zero.
 
No Spook, I know damn well CD is very much a fact. The NIST process and conclusion is pure nonsense. Gravity and office fires could not possibly have caused the damage observed at Ground Zero.

Given the fact that you create/believe lies that supposedly support your views, I can see why you think this.
 
Gam

After all these long months you have not yet deduced that I have you on ignore.

After 18 years you have not yet deduced that you were deceived. Your powers of deduction and analysis get a very low rating.
 
Gam

After all these long months you have not yet deduced that I have you on ignore.

After 18 years you have not yet deduced that you were deceived. Your powers of deduction and analysis get a very low rating.

And YOU have not deduced that I couldn't care less that you have me on ignore. I will continue to respond to your continued lying and spreading of misinformation for others to see. If you choose to cower behind the "ignore list" and use it as an excuse to not address your lies and misinformation, that's your choice. There is a long list of your claims that have been PROVEN to be lies and misinformation which you refuse to address in a rational manner.

Again, the reason I'm on your ignore list is so that you can use it as an excuse to not have to answer my posts which show just how wrong you are.
 
Gam

After all these long months you have not yet deduced that I have you on ignore.

You can't even get the simple things right! I've known for quite some time that you're cowering behind the "ignore list" excuse. I would too if I were you and someone kept pointing out my lies and misinformation.
Since I am on ignore, can you please ask Thoreau72 if he believes that four neutron bombs went off on 9/11?
 
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Gam

After all these long months you have not yet deduced that I have you on ignore.

After 18 years you have not yet deduced that you were deceived. Your powers of deduction and analysis get a very low rating.

My my how times have changed. Pretty funny actually.
gamolon

Thank you so much for presenting that information here. :2wave:

All the facts show that a Boeing hit the South Tower, and any honest analysis will show that.

And many facts exist suggesting something other than a Boeing hit the North Tower. :mrgreen:

It does prove my point. As I've mentioned, at least one other poster, many years ago at another site than DP, did the math.

That you dissonant characters will not do the math, especially Gam as he has already demonstrated his excellent math skills here a few years back, simply demonstrates your dissonance. You DO NOT WANT to see the math because it works against your nonsensical NIST story. I get it, you're deeply in denial and prefer to stay that way.
 
Once again the CD supports make a claim but fail to provide the data to back it up. Instead the mantra of "the official story is wrong" is spouted. They scream of "known liars" from the government while ignoring the years of Gage, Prager, etc. lies.

They fail to reconcile the FACT Prager says it was CD but done with nukes and NO nnanothermite. Gage says it was explosives with nanothermite and NO nukes. The response is well, they both believe it was CD. That is what is important. Yea, right.

Bottom line. CD supporters you have been scammed. Your belief is not supported by the facts and data. If it was there would be one CD explanation instead of many. The cry for a new investigation is just a way to prolong your misguided explanation.


CD supporter provide a link to the one concise controlled demolition explanation.
 
Any NIST supporter is free to explain how gravity and office fires caused the damage observed.
 
Any NIST supporter is free to explain how gravity and office fires caused the damage observed.

Any CD supporter is free to explain how the CD was done. What was use, how it was carried out. While they are at it they are free to explain why Jones, Gage state the evidence shows no nukes were used , yet Prager states it was nukes with non nanothermite. Of course they wont explain, because they know it will not hold up to scrutiny,

Interesting that you used the word "suggest" in another post stating that states "facts exist suggesting something other than a Boeing hit the North Tower."
One could also say facts exists that suggest Gage and Prager are both wrong. :lamo Does facts suggesting something prove that the statement is correct?:mrgreen:
 
Any CD supporter is free to explain how the CD was done. What was use, how it was carried out. While they are at it they are free to explain why Jones, Gage state the evidence shows no nukes were used , yet Prager states it was nukes with non nanothermite. Of course they wont explain, because they know it will not hold up to scrutiny,

Interesting that you used the word "suggest" in another post stating that states "facts exist suggesting something other than a Boeing hit the North Tower."
One could also say facts exists that suggest Gage and Prager are both wrong. :lamo Does facts suggesting something prove that the statement is correct?:mrgreen:

So I take it this reply means you will take a pass on defending the NIST theory?
 
So I take it this reply means you will take a pass on defending the NIST theory?

Tell us again about the magical radioactive nuclear explosive bombs that dont explode or emit radiation placed in the basements caused the buildings to collapse starting many stories above ground at the points of impact
 
So I take it this reply means you will take a pass on defending the NIST theory?


So I take it you will pass on defending the nuke explanation of yours. Your tactic of shifting the discussion doesn't work. It is interesting how you say you keep sending AE911T money when they do not accept your explanation of nukes.
 
No Spook, I know damn well CD is very much a fact.

No, you don't.

The NIST process and conclusion is pure nonsense.

I doubt you're qualified enough to arrive at that conclusion, and those who told you that aren't qualified either.

Gravity and office fires could not possibly have caused the damage observed at Ground Zero.

Argument from incredulity/ignorance. You cannot demonstrate your assertion and there is no reason for anyone to believe it without evidence. You believe such an irrational and ridiculous tale as Prager's nukes, so I have no reason to take your assertions seriously.
 
Any NIST supporter is free to explain how gravity and office fires caused the damage observed.

Read the report as it explained it perfectly well. You have the burden of proof now, so why don't you explain your asinine theory regarding silent, radiation free and vibration free nukes that no one saw employed?

I know you can't, for it's ridiculous.
 
Any weakened structure can yield to the forces of gravity. It's established science that heat among other things weakens steel... that mechanical impacts cause damage andf so forth. Lots of science denial coming from truthers.
 
So I take it you will pass on defending the nuke explanation of yours. Your tactic of shifting the discussion doesn't work. It is interesting how you say you keep sending AE911T money when they do not accept your explanation of nukes.

I've already done it with you many times Mike. You are simply in denial and more interested in stirring the pot and advancing the official narrative than you are in finding the truth. Indeed sir, over these years you have demonstrated many times that you cannot handle the truth. You are threatened somehow by the truth.

You would rather stir the pot.
 
Read the report as it explained it perfectly well. You have the burden of proof now, so why don't you explain your asinine theory regarding silent, radiation free and vibration free nukes that no one saw employed?

I know you can't, for it's ridiculous.

No, it didn't explain it perfectly well, and you know it.

Many including AE911 have shown the many ways it fails. For this layman, it fails because common sense demands that ALL the observed damage, including 3 months worth of molten iron, including the lateral ejection of massive pieces, including the many pictures taken by Kurt Sonnenfeld, could not possibly have been caused by gravity and office fires.

There is a reason Sonnenfeld became persona non grata. Like Edward Snowden, he told the truth.

The truth is what you and Mike, the government and the mainstream media, simply cannot handle.

You're welcome.
 
I've already done it with you many times Mike.
Keep cowering behind the ignore list. It's the only way you can survive a rational debate.
 
I've already done it with you many times Mike. You are simply in denial and more interested in stirring the pot and advancing the official narrative than you are in finding the truth. Indeed sir, over these years you have demonstrated many times that you cannot handle the truth. You are threatened somehow by the truth.

You would rather stir the pot.

Yes, you many times dodge and post your unsupported claims. If asking questions that exposes the flaws and weakness in your belief is stirring the pot is really showing you know you have nothing to offer.

So I will ask again, who is correct. Gage/Jones or Prager?

You would rather sit in the dark and ignore the reality that you have been conned.
 
No, it didn't explain it perfectly well, and you know it.

Many including AE911 have shown the many ways it fails. For this layman, it fails because common sense demands that ALL the observed damage, including 3 months worth of molten iron, including the lateral ejection of massive pieces, including the many pictures taken by Kurt Sonnenfeld, could not possibly have been caused by gravity and office fires.

There is a reason Sonnenfeld became persona non grata. Like Edward Snowden, he told the truth.

The truth is what you and Mike, the government and the mainstream media, simply cannot handle.

You're welcome.

- 3 months of "molten" iron. misrepresenting data. No one has produced evidence that the iron stayed liquified for 3 months. Hot yes, liquid no.
"molten" liquefied by heat;

- lateral ejections - misrepresent data . It has been explained many times to you.

Sorry, but your understanding of physics is not supported by the known data.

After all this time and AE911T and others still cannot produce the single controlled demolition explanation that supports your conclusion of nukes and nanothermite. Has Prager modeled the use of mini neutron bombs? Has anyone modeled the building failure with a nuke in the basement as the Russian physics claims. How about modeling the use of nanothermite. The answer is no. Even the latest study out of Alaska has not modeled a controlled demolition. It also has not modeled all fire possibilities. You cannot accept the fact you have been conned.

Your welcome.

Provide a link to the site which explain the use of nukes in the controlled demolition of the towers in detail.
 
Keep cowering behind the ignore list. It's the only way you can survive a rational debate.

Don't forget besides the mini neutron nukes, nanothermite was used according to T72.

I still want to know why Rodriquez never became sick from radiation when he was so close to a nuke going off.
 
There are many flaws in the truther hypotheses, however, the biggest would be the fact that they claim Nano-thermite was deployed to cut the columns and beams at the impact points, yet being highly flammable, this material survived the intensity of the fires for over an hour. Obviously, this one wasn't thought through.

Others have claimed the use of Nuclear weapons and space energy beams, but these nutters are too 'out there' to be taken seriously. Hell, they all are.

Let's examine the reasoning: They wanted to invade Iraq so they came up with such a ridiculously Byzantine plan in order to do so. If so, why the WMD charade? Why invade Afghanistan instead? Others have suggested it was to invade Afghanistan. If so, they had all the pretext required to address AQ with the Cole attack and the bombings at the Kenyan and Tanzanian Embassies. Obviously, they haven't thought this through.

Naturally. The truther schtick is to announce that if an official report (which they reframe as an official narrative) is true, then they personally would expect to see things A,B, and C in it. This is generally pulled from their colons. They then argue that because those things were not in the report, the report cannot be true. This then justifies rampant speculation.

When challenged on the complete lack of positive evidence for what they're saying, they treat the lack of that evidence as evidence of the conspiracy: the evidence for their theory isn't there because the conspirators hid it. (Remember truthers going on about how the WTC rubble was supposedly cleared away faster than they demanded, thereby 'proving' a coverup?).

Of course, many other truthers instead switch to simply insulting their questioners. This may be by announcing that the truther has superior analytic skills, or by naming the questioner a "sheep" for not questioning the official report instead.

The one thing they never do is say: this is what the conspiracy was, these are the goals it served, this his own it met those goals, this is who is in on it, and here is positive evidence that it was done, A,B,C --> Z.





Observe:

No, it didn't explain it perfectly well, and you know it.

Open by attacking the questioner.

Many including AE911 have shown the many ways it fails. For this layman, it fails because common sense demands that ALL the observed damage, including 3 months worth of molten iron, including the lateral ejection of massive pieces, including the many pictures taken by Kurt Sonnenfeld, could not possibly have been caused by gravity and office fires.

Continue by announcing that the truther personally claims to expect to have seen certain things if the official report is true, then tries to use this bootstrapped premise to say that his failure to see those things means that the official report is false.

Note the complete lack of evidence for why these things would be not only expected to be seen, but so expected that their absence is mutually exclusive with the truth of the official report. He just says that it is so.

There is a reason Sonnenfeld became persona non grata. Like Edward Snowden, he told the truth.

No doubt his inability to prove his case is because the conspirators hid the evidence, and now he is being silenced. Note that the fundamental structure of all this bloviation is the attempt to repurpose a lack of evidence as positive evidence of the conspiracy.

The truth is what you and Mike, the government and the mainstream media, simply cannot handle.

You're welcome.

And the finale: back to attacking the questioners and calling them sheep.



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And, PS Thoreau, I really did write the part of the post before quoting you before I saw you had posted. I was responding to something on the first page. But I went to edit my post and saw that you had posted on the pager and that that post really did fit what I said of truthers in general because they really are that predictable; hence the second half of the post was added, identifying how your behavior lined up with prediction.

Learn from this.
 
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