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Thinking about 9/11

Thoreau72 said:
It is safe to say at this point, that you will never be able to comprehend how independent thinkers operate.
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Come on, sites like this exist so people can debate subjects. Everyone participating in this thread is aware of the fact that you cannot support your claims ~ we get that through endless repetition, however, to insult the intelligence of others is just you trolling at this point.

I mean seriously guy, your theories are more full of it than a Christmas goose and you have no intention of proving your claims, yet you can insult the intelligence of others?

Talk about irony.

mike2810 said:
Can't wait for the Dr. Leroy Hulsey study to come out regarding 9/11. The one that started with a conclusion of it can't be fire therefore it was a controlled demolition. It will be interesting to read how he justified the modeling he did. Bottom line, not all fire scenarios were modeled. The modeling done was more simplistic that the models done by the government.
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I'm beginning to doubt it will ever be released.
 
NWO_Spook said:
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I'm beginning to doubt it will ever be released.
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Much like the Mark Basile wtc dust study to try and validate nanothermite.

Mark collected the funds that he needed to send a sample to an "independent lab" asking them to determine what was the dust. He was not going to reveal the source of the sample to the lab. It has been 62 months and not a word. That makes one wonder how long does it take to pack up a sample of "dust" and ship it to a lab for analysis. I suspect we will never see the lab analysis results or know if the analysis was done.
 
NWO_Spook said:
Come on, sites like this exist so people can debate subjects. Everyone participating in this thread is aware of the fact that you cannot support your claims ~ we get that through endless repetition, however, to insult the intelligence of others is just you trolling at this point.

I mean seriously guy, your theories are more full of it than a Christmas goose and you have no intention of proving your claims, yet you can insult the intelligence of others?

Talk about irony.



I'm beginning to doubt it will ever be released.
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What we have here is a draw. You cannot prove your theory is true, and I cannot prove (except to an honest and disinterested person) that my theory is true.

We have a standoff in awarding the "winner" of the "debate". To use the term from chess, we have a stalemate. You can't prove yours and I can't prove mine.

So give it a rest spook.
 
Thoreau72 said:
What we have here is a draw. You cannot prove your theory is true, and I cannot prove (except to an honest and disinterested person) that my theory is true.

We have a standoff in awarding the "winner" of the "debate". To use the term from chess, we have a stalemate. You can't prove yours and I can't prove mine.

So give it a rest spook.
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No HD it isn't a draw. You hold impossible scenarios as true (non exploding non radiactive nukes that emit radiation and explode in the basement causing buildings to collpae from many stories above ground). Reality is that 4 planes were phjacked and crashed on 911 causing all the ensuing damage.


But while we are talking about your delusions tell me again how ground effect makes a plane hard to control at high speeds. Oh wait I forgot as a certified "flight instructor" you have never even tried to explain that claim. Could it be because you have never in your entire life even flown on a plane let alone gone near the controls? I think we all know the answer
 
Thoreau72 said:
What we have here is a draw.
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No, you have in no way demonstrated the validity of your insane stories.

You cannot prove your theory is true,
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I have the weight of evidence and you have nothing but insane stories.

and I cannot prove (except to an honest and disinterested person) that my theory is true.
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Ad hominem is your forte as are outright lies. Truthers are not honest as you have demonstrated repeatedly.

We have a standoff in awarding the "winner" of the "debate".
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No, you have nothing but insane stories and I have the weight of evidence.

To use the term from chess, we have a stalemate.
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Not at all, as you have nothing but insane stories based upon nothing more than assertion, while I have the weight of evidence and probability on my side.

You can't prove yours and I can't prove mine.
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I have evidence, while you have nothing but silly stories.

You lose.

So give it a rest spook.
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You have no right to order me to do anything, and I will continue to expose your assertions for the inane and puerile tales they are. YOU give your asinine stories a rest and I'll comply, until then...

Thoreau72 said:
For the most part, I don't respond to or answer poor quality questions.
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Like all truthers, you don't answer questions...period.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
What we have here is a draw. You cannot prove your theory is true, and I cannot prove (except to an honest and disinterested person) that my theory is true.
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Your theory is based on lies that you've created and incorrect information. "We have a draw". How ridiculous!

Thoreau72 said:
We have a standoff in awarding the "winner" of the "debate". To use the term from chess, we have a stalemate.
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No, you've been disqualified for cheating.
 
Spook

Like all true believers, you offer no facts and no proof. Even as you pretend to ignore facts that destroy your chosen position. You do nothing but present false statements and propaganda talking points, as though you have some sort of stake in that propaganda.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Spook

Like all true believers, you offer no facts and no proof. Even as you pretend to ignore facts that destroy your chosen position. You do nothing but present false statements and propaganda talking points, as though you have some sort of stake in that propaganda.
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OMG, this is funny. Thanks for making my morning.

I could not have written anything better as describing your actions.

Seems you have ignored this paper presented to you numerous times. Since you believe nukes were use then Jones is a liar, right?
http://www.journalof911studies.com/...re-used-on-the-wtc-towers-by-steven-jones.pdf
 
Thoreau72 said:
Spook

Like all true believers, you offer no facts and no proof. Even as you pretend to ignore facts that destroy your chosen position. You do nothing but present false statements and propaganda talking points, as though you have some sort of stake in that propaganda.
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Thanks for the like.

I added something while you were liking the post.

"Seems you have ignored this paper presented to you numerous times. Since you believe nukes were use then Jones is a liar, right?
http://www.journalof911studies.com/...re-used-on-the-wtc-towers-by-steven-jones.pdf
 
I love it when you talk dirty Mike, and when you stir the pot. :lol:
 
Thoreau72 said:
I love it when you talk dirty Mike, and when you stir the pot. :lol:
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Funny again T.

Yep, you use sources from known liars. But as a "free thinker" it seems gives you a free ride to pick and choose your "data"

Keep pretending that you can ignore evidence that shows your wrong.

(I like stirring the pot. It is telling when someone does not answer the questions or defend their position).
 
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mike2810 said:
Funny again T.

Yep, you use sources from known liars. But as a "free thinker" it seems gives you a free ride to pick and choose your "data"
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Yep, that's how it works Mike. Finally you seem to have caught on.

Alas, it's safe to say though, that likely you will never be able to reject the bull**** spread by government sources and mainstream media. :doh
 
Thoreau72 said:
You do nothing but present false statements and propaganda talking points, as though you have some sort of stake in that propaganda.
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Like the list of lies and incorrect information you've put forth, but refuse to acknowledge?

:lamo
 
Thoreau72 said:
Yep, that's how it works Mike. Finally you seem to have caught on.

Alas, it's safe to say though, that likely you will never be able to reject the bull**** spread by government sources and mainstream media. :doh
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So you admit Jones has lied, yet you help fund AE911T. The Jones paper pretty much discredited Prager's work. Please tell us where S. Jones got it wrong regarding nukes. I will agree with you that Jones got other things wrong as well. Like nanothermite. :mrgreen:

It is clear you will never stop using questionable sources that contradict each other. Try using some creditable sources sometime. See T, I read and research from sources you use, the scientific community, academia, engineers, investigation reports, etc. Any source needs to be checked and verified.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Spook
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Quote me if you want me to be aware of your post. Or do you not want me to know when you post personal attacks? I suspect the latter, as honest debate is not on your agenda.

Like all true believers, you offer no facts and no proof.
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I have offered plenty of evidence and you ignored it like all truthers do, so why do you lie? Others can read the posts and yet you boldly lie for all to see. You have just posted asinine stories worthy of a poor quality comic book, and all you can do is attack the sceptics because you have no foundation for the moronic junk you promulgate. YOU cannot explain your fairy tales and you have no intention of doing so and ad hominem is all you have in defence of your idiotic stories.

Even as you pretend to ignore facts that destroy your chosen position.
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You haven't presented any facts and you haven't destroyed anyone's position so why lie? Asinine assertions are not evidence or facts ~ they are just asinine assertions. Why can't you debate your position like an adult?

You do nothing but present false statements and propaganda talking points, as though you have some sort of stake in that propaganda.
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Now you are just lying, but that's what truthers do: lie, misrepresent and attack those who disagree with their stupid tales. I have presented evidence and you have ignored it, while you have presented nothing but the insane ravings of lunatics on sites that cater to those of limited intelligence. I have not presented any false statements and I challenge you to produce them (I know you won't because you can't). I have no stake in any propaganda or any other febrile fantasy you concoct. I am interested in the truth, not your silly childish noise.

YOU have the burden of proof to prove your puerile tales, so get on with it, grow up and desist with all your silliness.
 
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NWO_Spook said:
Quote me if you want me to be aware of your post. Or do you not want me to know when you post personal attacks? I suspect the latter, as honest debate is not on your agenda.



I have offered plenty of evidence and you ignored it like all truthers do, so why do you lie? Others can read the posts and yet you boldly lie for all to see. You have just posted asinine stories worthy of a poor quality comic book, and all you can do is attack the sceptics because you have no foundation for the moronic junk you promulgate. YOU cannot explain your fairy tales and you have no intention of doing so and ad hominem is all you have in defence of your idiotic stories.



You haven't presented any facts and you haven't destroyed anyone's position so why lie? Asinine assertions are not evidence or facts ~ they are just asinine assertions. Why can't you debate your position like an adult?



Now you are just lying, but that's what truthers do: lie, misrepresent and attack those who disagree with their stupid tales. I have presented evidence and you have ignored it, while you have presented nothing but the insane ravings of lunatics on sites that cater to those of limited intelligence. I have not presented any false statements and I challenge you to produce them (I know you won't because you can't). I have no stake in any propaganda or any other febrile fantasy you concoct. I am interested in the truth, not your silly childish noise.

YOU have the burden of proof to prove your puerile tales, so get on with it, grow up and desist with all your silliness.
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Bolded is untrue he has thoroughly destroyed his own position many times
 
Mike

Last night the MSM evening news covered the hearing in Congress yesterday at which Jon Stewart appeared and testified on behalf of those made sick by the radiation poisoning offered by the radioactive situation at Ground Zero, even as described by the now deceased Matt Tartaglia of Pennsylvania.

While the audience was full of first responders, firemen and other emergency workers, the seats for members of Congress and the committee members were mostly empty, and Stewart called them out for it.

The topic was the funding for the massive medical bills for these first responders, which is about to run out.

One man obviously looked extremely sick, and commented in a very weak voice that today he was to undergo his 69th session of chemotherapy.

Obviously the media made no effort at all to even mention what might have made all those first responders have the same sicknesses as survivors of Hiroshima or Chernobyl, but media members are not known for their analytical thinking. They are really good at tugging on heartstrings, and so is Stewart for that matter, but rational analysis or trying to discover a cause and effect relationship is not what they do.

Why have so many of those working at Ground Zero been sick with strange cancers? Maybe they drank some bad coffee, eh Mike?
 
Good4Nothin said:
The conspiracy theory says that the US government was desperate to invade Iraq, and needed an excuse. So they put on this big show of multiple planes being hijacked and ramming buildings, in NYC and Washington DC.

The planes did not actually cause the destruction, it was explosives planted inside the buildings prior to the fake attack.

Problems, with that theory:

1. They probably didn't need 9/11 as an excuse for invading Iraq. No one thought Iraq had caused 9/11. The actual excuse was WMD, which resulted from incorrect intelligence, which everyone (including Democrats) believed.

2. There was no need for the airplane show. They could just have planted the explosives and said it had been done by terrorists.

I have never believed the 9/11 conspiracy theories. Not because I trust the government. Because they don't make sense.

There were suspicious things about the investigation, and maybe we were lied to (when are we ever not lied to by the government?). But the conspiracy theories still don't make sense.
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9/11 is clearly a hoax because SEPTEMBER DOESN'T EXIST. It's all a scam.

Sept = 7 and they say September is the 9th month.

Clearly a hoax.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Mike

Last night the MSM evening news covered the hearing in Congress yesterday at which Jon Stewart appeared and testified on behalf of those made sick by the radiation poisoning offered by the radioactive situation at Ground Zero, even as described by the now deceased Matt Tartaglia of Pennsylvania.

While the audience was full of first responders, firemen and other emergency workers, the seats for members of Congress and the committee members were mostly empty, and Stewart called them out for it.

The topic was the funding for the massive medical bills for these first responders, which is about to run out.

One man obviously looked extremely sick, and commented in a very weak voice that today he was to undergo his 69th session of chemotherapy.

Obviously the media made no effort at all to even mention what might have made all those first responders have the same sicknesses as survivors of Hiroshima or Chernobyl, but media members are not known for their analytical thinking. They are really good at tugging on heartstrings, and so is Stewart for that matter, but rational analysis or trying to discover a cause and effect relationship is not what they do.

Why have so many of those working at Ground Zero been sick with strange cancers? Maybe they drank some bad coffee, eh Mike?
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Please provide a link the msm story that Stewart stated it was because of radiation poisoning.

- Saw him hammer Congress for lack of members at the hearing.
- Heard him talk about the funds running out for medical treatments.
- mentioned the pile.
- Did not mention radiation
- I agree that more members of Congress should have been present. Did you know the hearing was with a sub-committee and not the full committee?
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I have never disputed that first responders that worked the WTC site have gotten sick. I have provided you with links in the past that showed that firefighters who never worked the WTC have similar illnesses. You ignore the science and medical evidence and keep spouting radiation.

I will ask you again, how can a firefighter (even wildland firefighters) come down with the same "sickness" as those who worked the WTC site? Was all of them exposed to radiation? I can think of a common denominator among the sick firefighters that is not radiation related. Can you?

By the way, the radiation claim is for you to prove and not for me to disprove.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Last night the MSM evening news covered the hearing in Congress yesterday at which Jon Stewart appeared and testified on behalf of those made sick by the radiation poisoning offered by the radioactive situation at Ground Zero,
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Can you point me to the time in the video where Jon Stewart said they were "made sick by the radiation positioning"?

Thoreau72 said:
even as described by the now deceased Matt Tartaglia of Pennsylvania.
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Can you point me to your evidence that confirms Matt Tartaglia is deceased?

Thoreau72 said:
Why have so many of those working at Ground Zero been sick with strange cancers? Maybe they drank some bad coffee, eh Mike?
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Maybe inhaling the toxic fumes from the burning debris? This has been explained to you time and time again.
 
gamolon said:
Can you point me to the time in the video where Jon Stewart said they were "made sick by the radiation positioning"?


Can you point me to your evidence that confirms Matt Tartaglia is deceased?


Maybe inhaling the toxic fumes from the burning debris? This has been explained to you time and time again.
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He does not mention radiation poisoning.
 
zyzygy said:
He does not mention radiation poisoning.
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Didn't think he would have. So Thoreau72 lied yet again. I would expect nothing less from him at this point.
 
gamolon said:
Here is the video...
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See post 95. Same vid. Thanks

No mention of radiation as the cause of the illnesses.

In other posts and threads it has been pointed out that firefighters who never worked the 9/11 site have come down with similar health issues. This includes some wildland firefighters who never worked structural fires. One only needs to look at the environment the firefighters work in at times. The dust, smoke and ash. Many times that environment contains known carcinogens.

Of course those who support the "nuclear event" theory will bring up radiation poisoning. How about Rodriguez who was in the basement when the alleged nuke went off. Has he developed similar health issues?:lamo
 
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