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Cholesterol drugs

Yes, people died before hardening of the arteries took its tolls.

That's the myth, promoted by the drug companies and medical industry. We need the drugs because the drugs have made us so healthy we live long enough to get heart disease.

NO. There has been plenty of research showing that CVD, and cancer, are diseases of modern industrial societies. People in non-industrial societies seldom get them, even though they live long enough.

These diseases do not result inevitably from age. That is not true. They become more likely with age, because of increased exposure to the unhealthy lifestyle. But young people are getting type 2 diabetes now.

It's a myth. Just repeating it won't make it true.
 
My grandfather died of a heart attack at 43 in 1942. Fat and sugar were big staples of their diet back then.

A people smoked a lot too.
 
He smoked, so maybe there's some truth there.

Smoking tobacco is a major cause of cardiovascular disease. The other major cause is metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes. High cholesterol is a cause in only a very small minority of cases. Yet cholesterol-lowering drugs are prescribed to many millions of people who do NOT have familial (genetic) high cholesterol.
 
Smoking tobacco is a major cause of cardiovascular disease. The other major cause is metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes. High cholesterol is a cause in only a very small minority of cases. Yet cholesterol-lowering drugs are prescribed to many millions of people who do NOT have familial (genetic) high cholesterol.

You could be right that most people don't need cholesterol drugs but with all the unnatural human-made related causes there could be a great need. Only time will tell.
 
My grandfather died of a heart attack at 43 in 1942. Fat and sugar were big staples of their diet back then.

Cheap calories have been the bane of human health for untold generations. It was often a sign of wealth to be fat, because only the wealthy could afford the calorie intake.

As a young adult my fantasies were devastated when I learned the famous harems of the eastern sultans had been composed of lazy mustached fat women, fat women admired because of their fertile representations, mustached because of our different visions of beauty, lazy because they were pampered by slaves. Not the pretty young seductive thin beauties of Hollywood costume melodramas who could always ride a horse during an attempted escape or for pleasure.
 
Cheap calories have been the bane of human health for untold generations. It was often a sign of wealth to be fat, because only the wealthy could afford the calorie intake.

As a young adult my fantasies were devastated when I learned the famous harems of the eastern sultans had been composed of lazy mustached fat women, fat women admired because of their fertile representations, mustached because of our different visions of beauty, lazy because they were pampered by slaves. Not the pretty young seductive thin beauties of Hollywood costume melodramas who could always ride a horse during an attempted escape or for pleasure.

Malnutrition was the leading source of death at one time, so historically 'fat' women were considered healthy, sexy and wealthy. We live the best we can, with the knowledge we have.
 
That's the myth, promoted by the drug companies and medical industry. We need the drugs because the drugs have made us so healthy we live long enough to get heart disease.

NO. There has been plenty of research showing that CVD, and cancer, are diseases of modern industrial societies. People in non-industrial societies seldom get them, even though they live long enough.

These diseases do not result inevitably from age. That is not true. They become more likely with age, because of increased exposure to the unhealthy lifestyle. But young people are getting type 2 diabetes now.

It's a myth. Just repeating it won't make it true.

It was no myth. Violent death was common for thousands of years, plagues and poor sanitation took their tolls, famines, natural catastrophes, harsh winters, predators all took people down. The potential for a long life was little different, but a relative rarity. Drug companies did not create those perils. Poor people had many children not because of lack of birth control, but because many died before they could reproduce. Men married, women died in childbirth, men married again. Rinse and repeat. My grandmother birthed 19 children that survived to adulthood, not unusual for the women who came from where she did. She survived to keep reproducing because of better health care, advanced medical science, knowledge of germ theory, penicillin and so forth. Yup, she was inoculated for small pox, diphtheria and tb when she arrived here.

Today more young people are being diagnosed, because they are being found thanks to medical science. More than a third of Americans are diabetic and don't know it. This is a constant through much of the world. Even among the poorest and wealthiest populations.

Quality of life is the most important reason for healthy lifestyles. Unfortunately, such is often the provenance of the wealthy. Cassava is the third most consumed food in the world, because it is a cheap source of calories, empty calories. Wheat and rice are the most consumed, for the same basic reason. Please pass me the government cheese. Now give us some more canards. The entertainment value is inestimable.
 
Malnutrition was the leading source of death at one time, so historically 'fat' women were considered healthy, sexy and wealthy. We live the best we can, with the knowledge we have.

One can eat well and still suffer malnutrition. When sanitation is poor or nonexistent, calories and nutrients expended fighting disease cannot be matched by food intake. Thus the need for clean potable water.
 
One can eat well and still suffer malnutrition. When sanitation is poor or nonexistent, calories and nutrients expended fighting disease cannot be matched by food intake. Thus the need for clean potable water.

Despite an abundant food supply, research indicates that Americans are significantly deficient in many critical nutrients. Several factors are responsible for the “well fed but undernourished” epidemic sweeping the nation

Well Fed but Undernourished: An American Epidemic
 
It was no myth. Violent death was common for thousands of years, plagues and poor sanitation took their tolls, famines, natural catastrophes, harsh winters, predators all took people down. The potential for a long life was little different, but a relative rarity. Drug companies did not create those perils. Poor people had many children not because of lack of birth control, but because many died before they could reproduce. Men married, women died in childbirth, men married again. Rinse and repeat. My grandmother birthed 19 children that survived to adulthood, not unusual for the women who came from where she did. She survived to keep reproducing because of better health care, advanced medical science, knowledge of germ theory, penicillin and so forth. Yup, she was inoculated for small pox, diphtheria and tb when she arrived here.

Today more young people are being diagnosed, because they are being found thanks to medical science. More than a third of Americans are diabetic and don't know it. This is a constant through much of the world. Even among the poorest and wealthiest populations.

Quality of life is the most important reason for healthy lifestyles. Unfortunately, such is often the provenance of the wealthy. Cassava is the third most consumed food in the world, because it is a cheap source of calories, empty calories. Wheat and rice are the most consumed, for the same basic reason. Please pass me the government cheese. Now give us some more canards. The entertainment value is inestimable.

There were causes of death in pre-modern times that we don't have now. It does NOT logically follow that pre-modern people would have gotten type 2 diabetes and CVD at anywhere the rate we get it now.

Young people are being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes because they are getting it more now! Not because of better diagnosis! I already explained that it is KNOWN that it is much less common in non-industrial societies!
 
LOL. the entire OP has absolutely no substance, no links, just throwing out information without a single link, when the medical community will agree high cholesterol is linked to CVD. Maybe not the number one cause but its up there

Cholesterol and Heart Disease

The thread is about cholesterol drugs, not cholesterol.
 
There were causes of death in pre-modern times that we don't have now. It does NOT logically follow that pre-modern people would have gotten type 2 diabetes and CVD at anywhere the rate we get it now.

Young people are being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes because they are getting it more now! Not because of better diagnosis! I already explained that it is KNOWN that it is much less common in non-industrial societies!

Otzi disproves your contention.
 
Otzi disproves your contention.

What? Who?

And this "More than a third of Americans are diabetic and don't know it. This is a constant through much of the world." is ridiculous. If they don't know they are diabetic, how does anyone else know? And it is NOT true in places where they don't have a modern lifestyle.

Research has already shown that physical exercise and nutrition are extremely important in determining who gets type 2 diabetes. Are you trying to deny this fact?
 
What? Who?

And this "More than a third of Americans are diabetic and don't know it. This is a constant through much of the world." is ridiculous. If they don't know they are diabetic, how does anyone else know? And it is NOT true in places where they don't have a modern lifestyle.

Research has already shown that physical exercise and nutrition are extremely important in determining who gets type 2 diabetes. Are you trying to deny this fact?

Do some research, including the year when type 2 diabetes was first identified.
 
What? Who?

And this "More than a third of Americans are diabetic and don't know it. This is a constant through much of the world." is ridiculous. If they don't know they are diabetic, how does anyone else know? And it is NOT true in places where they don't have a modern lifestyle.

Research has already shown that physical exercise and nutrition are extremely important in determining who gets type 2 diabetes. Are you trying to deny this fact?

As I've already responded to this, reread the thread to allay your confusion.
 
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