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Conspiracists game the higher education system

Our metaflunker flunks again.
 
zyzygy said:
Our metaflunker flunks again.
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Why did you advance lies that 'meta' had no meaning to you? Why did you engage in these same lies with others? Here you are using it in the same fashion. metabunkers are perennial liars. One can't trust anything that comes from their gobs.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Because millions of Native Americans suddenly died on 9/11/2001
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Nope, just about 2900 westerners were murdered by the US government on that day. The number of NAs slaughtered by the successive US governments from the founding terroists on down to today is huge.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Not really. They died mostly in the 19th century.
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ralphcdp said:
Nope, just about 2900 westerners were murdered by the US government on that day. The number of NAs slaughtered by the successive US governments from the founding terroists on down to today is huge.
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Thank you genuinely both for admitting you are wrong. :)
 
ralphcdp said:
Delusion runs rampant in the USA.
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Try to complain to just about anyone here who's been here longer than a few years about Abbazorkzog being a meany butt US imperialist and get roundly laughed at.
 
zyzygy said:
And usually poorly educated.
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Oh no, not always!

Prime example. In 1996 TWA Flight 800 went down just off shore en-route to Paris. And shortly afterwards JFK Press Secretary Pierre Salinger gave a press conference where he stated he had proof that it was shot down by the USS Normandy. And many people still believe that to this day, never mind that it would be impossible to keep all 350 or so sailors from talking over the past 22+ years.

Quite a few brilliant people have been taken in by them over the decades.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Oh no, not always!

Prime example. In 1996 TWA Flight 800 went down just off shore en-route to Paris. And shortly afterwards JFK Press Secretary Pierre Salinger gave a press conference where he stated he had proof that it was shot down by the USS Normandy. And many people still believe that to this day, never mind that it would be impossible to keep all 350 or so sailors from talking over the past 22+ years.

Quite a few brilliant people have been taken in by them over the decades.
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People with high education are less likely than people with low education to believe in conspiracy theories. It is yet unclear why these effects occur, however, as education predicts a range of cognitive, emotional, and social outcomes. The present research sought to identify mediators of the relationship between education and conspiracy beliefs. Results of Study 1 revealed three independent mediators of this relationship, namely, belief in simple solutions for complex problems, feelings of powerlessness, and subjective social class. A nationally representative sample (Study 2) replicated these findings except for subjective social class. Moreover, variations in analytic thinking statistically accounted for the path through belief in simple solutions. I conclude that the relationship between education and conspiracy beliefs cannot be reduced to a single mechanism but is the result of the complex interplay of multiple psychological factors that are associated with education. © 2016 The Authors. Applied Cognitive Psychology published by John Wiley & Sons Ltd.
Why Education Predicts Decreased Belief in Conspiracy Theories
 
Oozlefinch said:
Oh no, not always!

Prime example. In 1996 TWA Flight 800 went down just off shore en-route to Paris. And shortly afterwards JFK Press Secretary Pierre Salinger gave a press conference where he stated he had proof that it was shot down by the USS Normandy. And many people still believe that to this day, never mind that it would be impossible to keep all 350 or so sailors from talking over the past 22+ years.

Quite a few brilliant people have been taken in by them over the decades.
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Jack Cashill has done more work regarding TWA800 than probably anybody else. He had high praise for the work of SA Steve Bongardt, head of FBI missile team investigating the incident. One good man, and one good team at the FBI. No surprise, Bongardt was telling too much truth for the rest of the Agency devoted to the political nonsense.

Jack Cashill writes about TWA Flight 800
 
Thoreau72 said:
No, thank YOU for a clear demonstration of delusional thinking! :mrgreen:
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How on earth did it take you a month and a week to the day to come up with a single-sentence response with a smiley face on the end of it?
 
Thoreau72 said:
It's hard to believe that wealthy individuals, parents and children and others, would conspire to cheat the college admission system, but they have.

Do wealthy humans conspire more readily than those of lower income?

Why do people conspire so often? Is it part of our DNA?
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I think some conspiracy theories are bred out of mistrust. Like who shot JFK, the fake moon landing or 9-11 was an inside job. Mistrust though, doesn't have anything to do with conspiring to such things as the college admission policies or even on taxes and the like. That could fall under greed or just trying to get ahead. Then again it may be due to the distrust in the system. The desire to get ahead can also lead to cheating or worst.

I don't think wealth has that much to do with it. Although the wealthy probably have no need to cheat or conspire in this instance. But they may have conspired and cheated their way into wealth and conspiring and cheating might have become a habit tough to break.

Some people just do things to do things. No rhyme or reason needed. That may bring us back to DNA. Who knows? Maybe there is a thrill in it.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
How on earth did it take you a month and a week to the day to come up with a single-sentence response with a smiley face on the end of it?
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I've been busy.
 
Perotista said:
I think some conspiracy theories are bred out of mistrust. Like who shot JFK, the fake moon landing or 9-11 was an inside job. Mistrust though, doesn't have anything to do with conspiring to such things as the college admission policies or even on taxes and the like. That could fall under greed or just trying to get ahead. Then again it may be due to the distrust in the system. The desire to get ahead can also lead to cheating or worst.

I don't think wealth has that much to do with it. Although the wealthy probably have no need to cheat or conspire in this instance. But they may have conspired and cheated their way into wealth and conspiring and cheating might have become a habit tough to break.

Some people just do things to do things. No rhyme or reason needed. That may bring us back to DNA. Who knows? Maybe there is a thrill in it.
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Yes, people just do things, often in concert with others. That was my point, thanks.

So the point of the thread was not to explore theories about conspiracies past and present, but rather about the behavioral aspects, WHY do humans conspire to cheat the system?

For those wealthy people spending big money to get their kids in school, it was just about money I suppose.

For those in positions of power, it's just about using that power I suppose. Advancing a political agenda they consider worthy and necessary.

The point is that humans DO conspire, and anyone thinking otherwise is just plain naïve. To portray conspiracy as unusual is not an accurate portrayal or belief.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Yes, people just do things, often in concert with others. That was my point, thanks.

So the point of the thread was not to explore theories about conspiracies past and present, but rather about the behavioral aspects, WHY do humans conspire to cheat the system?

For those wealthy people spending big money to get their kids in school, it was just about money I suppose.

For those in positions of power, it's just about using that power I suppose. Advancing a political agenda they consider worthy and necessary.

The point is that humans DO conspire, and anyone thinking otherwise is just plain naïve. To portray conspiracy as unusual is not an accurate portrayal or belief.
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conspiring to beat the system. Yep, I think at times we all do conspire to beat the system. Human nature.
 
Perotista said:
conspiring to beat the system. Yep, I think at times we all do conspire to beat the system. Human nature.
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And some conspire to achieve ends OTHER THAN beat the system.

To borrow from Bernays, "The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society."

Some want to beat the system, some want to manipulate our perceptions. To save us from ourselves, of course. ;)
 
TrueScotsman said:
Its easier to conspire when you have lots of money. But most Conspiracy Theories are absolute garbage, the pass time of middle aged men in crisis.
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That's what some people want you to think. There might not be any real conspiracies but there are lots of shady things going on. The general public has less power than you think. The ones who have the power are hiding behind the idea that anyone who criticizes them is a conspiracy theory nut.

Is the FDA influenced by money from big drug and food companies? Oh no, that's just another conspiracy theory dreamed up by middle aged men in crisis.

Using this clever strategy they can get away with just about anything.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Yes, people just do things, often in concert with others. That was my point, thanks.

So the point of the thread was not to explore theories about conspiracies past and present, but rather about the behavioral aspects, WHY do humans conspire to cheat the system?

For those wealthy people spending big money to get their kids in school, it was just about money I suppose.

For those in positions of power, it's just about using that power I suppose. Advancing a political agenda they consider worthy and necessary.

The point is that humans DO conspire, and anyone thinking otherwise is just plain naïve. To portray conspiracy as unusual is not an accurate portrayal or belief.
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Right.
 
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