The jig is up on the US governments' 9/11 conspiracy theory

The day of reckoning is fast approaching. There is no escaping from facts, evidence, science. The list of criminals is long indeed but how many will really do any time, how many will see life sentences, how many will get the death penalty?

Will the American people/other countries that saw their citizens murdered demand death sentences for the perpetrators that blew up WTCs 1, 2 and 7?

Will these same people/countries demand death sentences for those who have nearly doubled the number of deaths since 9/11 with the toxic remnants of the blown up towers?

ralphcdp said:

The day of reckoning is fast approaching. There is no escaping from facts, evidence, science. The list of criminals is long indeed but how many will really do any time, how many will see life sentences, how many will get the death penalty?

Will the American people/other countries that saw their citizens murdered demand death sentences for the perpetrators that blew up WTCs 1, 2 and 7?

Will these same people/countries demand death sentences for those who have nearly doubled the number of deaths since 9/11 with the toxic remnants of the blown up towers?

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I see this evolving into an awesome thread... can you translate what you stated above into something coherent so we can really get this going in a massive direction?

ralphcdp said:

The day of reckoning is fast approaching. There is no escaping from facts, evidence, science. The list of criminals is long indeed but how many will really do any time, how many will see life sentences, how many will get the death penalty?

Will the American people/other countries that saw their citizens murdered demand death sentences for the perpetrators that blew up WTCs 1, 2 and 7?

Will these same people/countries demand death sentences for those who have nearly doubled the number of deaths since 9/11 with the toxic remnants of the blown up towers?

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The words are English but that's about it. What are you groping toward saying?

Bodhisattva said:

I see this evolving into an awesome thread... can you translate what you stated above into something coherent so we can really get this going in a massive direction?

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What more information do you need/want?

Will the future see US government officials hung for murder or crimes against humanity?

Will the future see US government officials hung for murder for willfully causing the deaths by cancer of the first responders? Some 10,000 are said to have cancer caused by the contaminants from the blown up WTCs 1, 2 & 7.

ralphcdp said:

What more information do you need/want?

Will the future see US government officials hung for murder or crimes against humanity?

Will the future see US government officials hung for murder for willfully causing the deaths by cancer of the first responders? Some 10,000 are said to have cancer caused by the contaminants from the blown up WTCs 1, 2 & 7.

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No and no. Thread over? Or do you have any proof of your accusations?

ralphcdp said:

The day of reckoning is fast approaching. There is no escaping from facts, evidence, science. The list of criminals is long indeed but how many will really do any time, how many will see life sentences, how many will get the death penalty?

Will the American people/other countries that saw their citizens murdered demand death sentences for the perpetrators that blew up WTCs 1, 2 and 7?

Will these same people/countries demand death sentences for those who have nearly doubled the number of deaths since 9/11 with the toxic remnants of the blown up towers?

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Let’s start at the beginning. What are you claiming actually happened and how did you arrive at that conclusion?
I’ve heard multiple alternate theories about 9/11, which is yours?

ralphcdp said:

What more information do you need/want?

Will the future see US government officials hung for murder or crimes against humanity?

Will the future see US government officials hung for murder for willfully causing the deaths by cancer of the first responders? Some 10,000 are said to have cancer caused by the contaminants from the blown up WTCs 1, 2 & 7.

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I asked for information and all you gave me were more questions... 4, in fact.

zyzygy said:

No and no. Thread over? Or do you have any proof of your accusations?

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How can you be so sure that no one will be hung for the murders of all those who died in the controlled demolitions of the three towers? For the murders/crimes against humanity in the illegal invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, for the 10,000 who have cancer from those same controlled demolitions.

ralphcdp said:

How can you be so sure that no one will be hung for the murders of all those who died in the controlled demolitions of the three towers? For the murders/crimes against humanity in the illegal invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, for the 10,000 who have cancer from those same controlled demolitions.

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Why should they be hung? What proof of their guilt do you have? What is your 911 theory?

pinqy said:

Let’s start at the beginning. What are you claiming actually happened and how did you arrive at that conclusion?
I’ve heard multiple alternate theories about 9/11, which is yours?

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It doesn't matter what you have heard, only the science, evidence and the facts are what matter. And the science, evidence and the facts are what will be presented.

ralphcdp said:

It doesn't matter what you have heard, only the science, evidence and the facts are what matter. And the science, evidence and the facts are what will be presented.

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So present the evidence and facts. We are waiting.

Bodhisattva said:

I asked for information and all you gave me were more questions... 4, in fact.

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If you don't know the difference between a question and a statement it doesn't seem likely that you know anything about the evidence, science or the facts.

ralphcdp said:

If you don't know the difference between a question and a statement it doesn't seem likely that you know anything about the evidence, science or the facts.

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What evidence, science and facts? We cannot comment on something that you do not present.

zyzygy said:

So present the evidence and facts. We are waiting.

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If you feel so inclined you present whatever evidence and facts that support what seems to be your idea - that the US governments' nine eleven story has any validity.

ralphcdp said:

If you don't know the difference between a question and a statement it doesn't seem likely that you know anything about the evidence, science or the facts.

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Your questions were answered. Nobody will be hung. We know that 19 terrorists hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings.

ralphcdp said:

If you feel so inclined you present whatever evidence and facts that support what seems to be your idea - that the US governments' nine eleven story has any validity.

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You made the claim, you present the evidence if you have any. I say you have nothing. You are following the usual truther modus operandi. You make a claim then fail to back it up. The facts about 911 are available on the net.

ralphcdp said:

It doesn't matter what you have heard, only the science, evidence and the facts are what matter. And the science, evidence and the facts are what will be presented.

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When? None of us have any idea what you think is wrong with the official story, or what you are claiming happened instead, or what science, evidence, and facts you are claiming.

You’re giving us nothing.

ralphcdp said:

If you feel so inclined you present whatever evidence and facts that support what seems to be your idea - that the US governments' nine eleven story has any validity.

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Here you are.
https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Exec.pdf

What is your evidence?

It's not my idea, it's called reality.

pinqy said:

When? None of us have any idea what you think is wrong with the official story, or what you are claiming happened instead, or what science, evidence, and facts you are claiming.

You’re giving us nothing.

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If he could give us a hint about what his problem is with the official story then we could proceed but this thread is following the usual truther pattern.

zyzygy said:

... We know that 19 terrorists hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings.

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The problem for the US governments' story is that there is no evidence for that. Do you possess something that the US governments' don't have?

ralphcdp said:

If you don't know the difference between a question and a statement it doesn't seem likely that you know anything about the evidence, science or the facts.

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A statement of fact never ends with a question mark. It can end with a period or an exclamation mark. Your failure to understand basic elementary school English certainly illuminates why you grew up to be a conspiracy theorist.

ralphcdp said:

The problem for the US governments' story is that there is no evidence for that. Do you possess something that the US governments' don't have?

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The US Governments? How many governments does the United States have?

ralphcdp said:

The problem for the US governments' story is that there is no evidence for that. Do you possess something that the US governments' don't have?

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There is plenty of evidence for that. What evidence do you have that would contradict it? What do you possess?

Bodhisattva said:

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The US Governments? How many governments does the United States have?

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The Bush one, the Obama one and the Trump one. Although Trump believes the the twin towers at least were blown up.

Have you got any evidence?

zyzygy said:

There is plenty of evidence for that. ...

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But you can't provide any. That isn't at all odd because there is no evidence. The folks in that dismal "study" you referenced will also likely see jail time or worse for their part in a totally transparent cover up.

Another article of faith among conspiracy theorists is that the conspiracy would not have to have been very large. In Crossing the Rubicon, Michael Ruppert writes that there didn't have to be any more than two dozen people with complete foreknowledge of the attacks to orchestrate 9/11, and that they would all be "bound to silence by Draconian secrecy oaths." But those numbers begin to balloon out of control if all of the people and institutions accused of playing a part in the cover-up are counted. They would have to have included the CIA; the Justice Department; the FAA; NORAD; American and United Airlines; FEMA; Popular Mechanics and other media outlets; state and local law enforcement agencies in Pennsylvania, Virginia, and New York; the National Institute of Standards and Technology; and, finally and perhaps most prominently, the 9/11 Commission.

In 2007 a conspiracist confronted Zelikow in public with the "fact" that many of the hijackers are still alive. Zelikow responded that the
9/11 Commission had looked into the claims and found nothing to them but could not fit every single debunked conspiracy theory into the final version of the report. The questioner's reply was to repeat his accusation. I had a similar experience on the same topic when questioning Griffin, who begins his book The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortionswith the "hijackers are still alive" theory. I sent him an email pointing out that this theory relied on discredited media reports—the "hijackers" they had found were just people with the same names as the hijackers. In response, he emailed me a chapter on the topic from one of his books and said he was too busy to discuss the issue further.


At a certain point, though, debating science and theory and ideas is an exercise in futility, because the hypotheses of conspiracy theorists are not grounded in any kind of a larger understanding of the real world. "This sounds really mean," says Erik Sofge, a reporter on the original Popular Mechanics piece and an occasional contributor to Slate. "But really, it's like arguing over the marching speed of hobbits."

9/11 "Truth": How believers in the 9/11 conspiracy theory respond to refutations.