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Provide evidence that Sandy Hook wasn't a hoax.

Thoreau72 said:
Just as you will not finding anybody proving the official narrative is true. It is claimed, but it is unproved.

However, you will find many people appealing to emotions, but not a one dealing with the unusual circumstances and facts.

Adam Lanza and Nicholas Cruz are two diabolical supermen in the collective mind. When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts. Indeed, it is easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him how he has been fooled.

Unproved assertions are the food of the masses.
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Thoreau72 said:
Because you are not aware of it does not mean there was no official narrative. There is, but somehow it's too sophisticated for you to grasp.

A condensed version of it is that AL woke up one morning, shot his mother in her bed, and proceeded to drive to the school with a load of guns and ammo in the car, walked into the school and shot a bunch of people, mostly his classmates and a few adults. As I recall he then turned his own cold hand on himself.

Of course the Devil is in the Details, and most folks prefer not to go there, like you. In your tortured opinion, there is no official narrative, demonstrating just how blissfully ignorant of the story you are and how deeply in denial of the facts you are.

Not to worry sir, life goes on without you.
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I'm going to try to do you an undeserved favor: you may think that using ominous-sounding words that hint at nefarious movers creates an impression in others that you are a holder of secret knowledge to which they could only hope to be privy.

It doesn't. It doesn't come across as anything remotely close to clever. Instead, your drivel comes across as (is) delusional pomposity taken to cartoonish extremes. Save your fingers the effort and spare others the headache.

There's no hoax. It was an actual mass shooting where real children were murdered. And no, you aren't a superhero standing up for good, alone, against a shadowy world of inextricably linked plots. You're a dude with a keyboard who read some bull**** on a website catering to the so-inclined and got sucked into it for reasons I can't speculate about up here. What you find so compelling, everyone else finds worryingly delusional.







Thoreau72 said:
He probably didn't. He was an unskilled and untrained frail young man firing a "long gun" inside classrooms at small targets.

But the media wants me to believe that he killed those kids. I'm highly skeptical to say the least.
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No, you really aren't "highly skeptical".

You read some insane bull**** on a website and for whatever reason found it very comforting to let yourself be sucked in. Just stop. You're not fooling anyone but yourself.
 
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SkyFox76 said:
Actually I'd like to hear an explanation. Obviously I'm not all that familiar with posters here but certainly I won't be taking the time discuss topics with people who aren't even close to factual in their knowledge. Much like I questioned an earlier reply about Lanza being a "white supremacists with a bunch of guns" I question why you think those children were classmates of his.
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"Classmates" was a figure of speech sir. So sorry that sent you off on a semantic tangent.

Lanza did attend or was a student there, we were told at some point, and his mother was or was not a current or past teacher there, according to one version of the story. By all means get wrapped up in semantics, and please do not step back and look at the big picture.

How do you rationalize Obama flying the SH people around in AF1?
 
Mr Person said:
I'm going to try to do you an undeserved favor: you may think that using ominous-sounding words that hint at nefarious movers creates an impression in others that you are a holder of secret knowledge to which they could only hope to be privy.

It doesn't. It doesn't come across as anything remotely close to clever. Instead, your drivel comes across as (is) delusional pomposity taken to cartoonish extremes. Save your fingers the effort and spare others the headache.

There's no hoax. It was an actual mass shooting where real children were murdered. And no, you aren't a superhero standing up for good, alone, against a shadowy world of inextricably linked plots. You're a dude with a keyboard who read some bull**** on a website catering to the so-inclined and got sucked into it for reasons I can't speculate about up here. What you find so compelling, everyone else finds worryingly delusional.









No, you really aren't "highly skeptical".

You read some insane bull**** on a website and for whatever reason found it very comforting to let yourself be sucked in. Just stop. You're not fooling anyone but yourself.
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Well thank you counselor. I am forever grateful for the light you have shined on this, the sophisticated thinking and perceptive abilities of one trained in the law. :lamo


How true that it is easier to fool a man than in is to explain to him how he has been fooled. Demonstrated here frequently.
 
Thoreau72 said:
"Classmates" was a figure of speech sir. So sorry that sent you off on a semantic tangent.

Lanza did attend or was a student there, we were told at some point, and his mother was or was not a current or past teacher there, according to one version of the story. By all means get wrapped up in semantics, and please do not step back and look at the big picture.

How do you rationalize Obama flying the SH people around in AF1?
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So Obama took our guns away? I guess it was all for nothing, since we all know that Obama failed. Why is it that he failed after all that work faking an entire town of people? Hell did Obama build Newtown as well for the show?

Seriously why have they not taken our firearms away with all these fake mass shootings? Isnt the story that they fake them for an excuse to take our guns away? Why haven't they? Are they waiting for something, whats your theory on that?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
So Obama took our guns away? I guess it was all for nothing, since we all know that Obama failed. Why is it that he failed after all that work faking an entire town of people? Hell did Obama build Newtown as well for the show?

Seriously why have they not taken our firearms away with all these fake mass shootings? Isnt the story that they fake them for an excuse to take our guns away? Why haven't they? Are they waiting for something, whats your theory on that?
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Ramble On FFA, ramble on.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Just as you will not finding anybody proving the official narrative is true. It is claimed, but it is unproved.

However, you will find many people appealing to emotions, but not a one dealing with the unusual circumstances and facts.

Adam Lanza and Nicholas Cruz are two diabolical supermen in the collective mind. When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts. Indeed, it is easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him how he has been fooled.

Unproved assertions are the food of the masses.
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You are exactly correct. In fact the expression 'crazy conspiracy theory' was first promulgated by the CIA ans yes, through their

US covertly owned media. (revealed by the CIA director Colby in 1976 senate hearings, only weeks later found dead in his boat...suicide ?)

Sandy Hook among others, and everything I have seen and read and it is many, many hours, fails to prove or disprove any theory.

So the problem remains that in each of these cases, the perps are dead...so no real investigation at all.

But, it does seem there is never a shortage of 'troubled loners' when [they] are needed.

One can go on but striding up the hill of resistance, could be damaging to your health...or life.
 
Thoreau72 said:
"Classmates" was a figure of speech sir. So sorry that sent you off on a semantic tangent.

Lanza did attend or was a student there, we were told at some point, and his mother was or was not a current or past teacher there, according to one version of the story. By all means get wrapped up in semantics, and please do not step back and look at the big picture.

How do you rationalize Obama flying the SH people around in AF1?
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FreedomFromAll said:
So Obama took our guns away? I guess it was all for nothing, since we all know that Obama failed. Why is it that he failed after all that work faking an entire town of people? Hell did Obama build Newtown as well for the show?

Seriously why have they not taken our firearms away with all these fake mass shootings? Isnt the story that they fake them for an excuse to take our guns away? Why haven't they? Are they waiting for something, whats your theory on that?
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Thoreau72 said:
Ramble On FFA, ramble on.
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^
Truther Manual, section 4a(2):

4a: IF you (truther) make the mistake of suggesting a delusional motive for the government to commit a horrible crime and someone points out how utterly ludicrous it was to suggest that the government is capable of pulling off this scheme without a single leak BUT not competent enough to actually execute their plan after step one is successfully completed, THEN. . .

(1) bark loudly while hopping on one's foot with pencils in one's noset, but that wasn't quite applicable to this situation. Or,

(2) offer meaningless diversion that has the potential to frustrate the person at whom it was thrown, thereby enticing them to respond on the subject thus diverted to, aka, to cleverly trick them into no longer pressing you on the hopeless bull**** you just spouted at them.

(3) electrocute goldfish while snorting chopped-up Big Macs, and that seems a little extreme for now. So, good job applying the manual carefully!

(4) stick goldfish up your nose and electrocute yourself while hopping on your own foot.


The less applicable sections are greyed-out. For now.




FreedomFromAll said:
In other words you cannot defend the fact that no one has taken our guns away because of these mass shootings.
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He can't "defend" anything.

The truther operates by going to websites in which random people offer utterly baseless personal opinion that "if X happened, we'd expect to see A", talk about how H happened instead, and then insist this means something else happened, which something else would put a Bond villain to shame in more ways than one. They love the term "official narrative." It makes them sound like they are reasonably distrustful of authority, or something.

They almost never make the mistake of suggesting an actual motive. After all, the motives never make sense. For example, they say the 9/11 attacks were an excuse to get us into Iraq for the oil, but then, we never took the oil. Or....well you got the picture.

But he did make the mistake: it was about gun control! So now the truther needs to use damage control. How to cover up this obviously foolish flub? Well, he's not going to give you that. He's not going to argue because he doesn't have an argument. The website, or the youtube video, didn't have a "what if someone calls you out" segment. So he redirects in a subject-free manner.

He accuses you of rambling......







It's sad, really. There is a lot of wrongdoing by government officials, law enforcement subsets, and the like. The trouble is that those evils are far more banal than truthers would have it. It'd be a more interesting world, almost a comic book universe, if they were in any way right. But they're not.

I have to wonder whether some of the well-deserved skepticism of their babbling bleeds over to skepticism when a mundane criminal defendant says the cops planted drugs or beat him up then charged him with disorderly/resisting. That is the banal type of **** that goes down. Not these grandiose idiocies.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
He probably didn't. He was an unskilled and untrained frail young man firing a "long gun" inside classrooms at small targets.

But the media wants me to believe that he killed those kids. I'm highly skeptical to say the least.
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I weigh less than him and I could easily replicate what he did if I was demented. It doesn't take much strength or skill when you're walking down the hallways and nobody is shooting back at you and your targets are mostly half your size and weight.
 
Thoreau72 said:
"Classmates" was a figure of speech sir. So sorry that sent you off on a semantic tangent.

Lanza did attend or was a student there, we were told at some point, and his mother was or was not a current or past teacher there, according to one version of the story. By all means get wrapped up in semantics, and please do not step back and look at the big picture.

How do you rationalize Obama flying the SH people around in AF1?
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Based on the fact that the Sandy Hook shooting was basically an animal of its own. I can only think of a couple other instances where grade school aged children was the target of a mass murderer.
 
Thoreau72 said:
He probably didn't. He was an unskilled and untrained frail young man firing a "long gun" inside classrooms at small targets.

But the media wants me to believe that he killed those kids. I'm highly skeptical to say the least.
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Tell us T how you came up with Lanza being unskilled and untrained?
Don't pay attention to the media. What does the investigation reports say on who shot the kids. What evidence does the report list in supporting the conclusion?

" both Adam and Nancy Lanza returned several times in the following year, and both “shot actively”"

https://sandyhooklighthouse.wordpre...-ranges-frequented-by-the-sandy-hook-shooter/
 
Thoreau72 said:
"Classmates" was a figure of speech sir. So sorry that sent you off on a semantic tangent.

Lanza did attend or was a student there, we were told at some point, and his mother was or was not a current or past teacher there, according to one version of the story. By all means get wrapped up in semantics, and please do not step back and look at the big picture.

How do you rationalize Obama flying the SH people around in AF1?
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Okay, I was up to having a conversation with you on this topic and because I'm semi new here I was giving the benefit of the doubt that you also wanted to sir.

I consider people I went to school with (my jr and sr) as classmates. Not classes 10 years ahead or 10 years behind me. The fact you attempted to play some "I know something you don't know" dropped you several levels in my thinking you actually have anything to back your claims. You're already minus one with me because you attempted use the "sign" as part of your theory and when I challenged you, you admitted that I was right. The sign was not there.

More importantly, I don't do tangents. I was trying to have a rational discussion with you on the conspiracy topics of SH. I'm confident AL was a student there as a kid and I'm ok if Nancy taught there, or she didn't. I also know that the day of the shootings his brother was pinned on FB as the killer. The fact he started getting texts to his account alerted him that something was going on. It was hours later he was cleared as the gunman.

So honestly I have no concerns if you want to "discuss the story" that you think is a hidden plot or whatever. I offered you a chance to put up some of the things (pics) you think stray away from the things we know. In return you suggest I'm not willing to do my own thinking when I've already shown you I'm more than of doing that to reach conclusions. And when I question your wording? Which btw a CT person lives for that stuff to "prove something" I'm not looking at the big picture.

I'm pretty generous when it comes to hold your ground or just collapse. I think you're at strike 3. Show me some evidence SH didn't happen.
 
Quag said:
Seems weird the ebil US govt would do such an attack in Scotland but perhaps it was a practice run for Sandy Hook
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It would not surprise me if he believed that.
 
Thoreau72 said:
"Classmates" was a figure of speech sir.
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That's a lie and you know it. You thought Lanza was a 6 or 7 year old that attended that school. You used the word "classmates" and also thought he carried his weight in guns and ammo. The document about what he carried said just over 30 lbs of guns and ammo. An average 6 year old weighs 45 lbs. You used the term "scrawny" which implies he weighed less than the average.

Nice try though.
 
SkyFox76 said:
Okay, I was up to having a conversation with you on this topic and because I'm semi new here I was giving the benefit of the doubt that you also wanted to sir.

I consider people I went to school with (my jr and sr) as classmates. Not classes 10 years ahead or 10 years behind me. The fact you attempted to play some "I know something you don't know" dropped you several levels in my thinking you actually have anything to back your claims. You're already minus one with me because you attempted use the "sign" as part of your theory and when I challenged you, you admitted that I was right. The sign was not there.

More importantly, I don't do tangents. I was trying to have a rational discussion with you on the conspiracy topics of SH. I'm confident AL was a student there as a kid and I'm ok if Nancy taught there, or she didn't. I also know that the day of the shootings his brother was pinned on FB as the killer. The fact he started getting texts to his account alerted him that something was going on. It was hours later he was cleared as the gunman.

So honestly I have no concerns if you want to "discuss the story" that you think is a hidden plot or whatever. I offered you a chance to put up some of the things (pics) you think stray away from the things we know. In return you suggest I'm not willing to do my own thinking when I've already shown you I'm more than of doing that to reach conclusions. And when I question your wording? Which btw a CT person lives for that stuff to "prove something" I'm not looking at the big picture.

I'm pretty generous when it comes to hold your ground or just collapse. I think you're at strike 3. Show me some evidence SH didn't happen.
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I have never said it didn't happen sir. What I have said and stand by is that it was a staged event, not a spontaneous event, and that a very large collection of facts render the official narrative false.

So you would like to pass on why POTUS flew those folks on AF1?
 
Thoreau72 said:
I have never said it didn't happen sir. What I have said and stand by is that it was a staged event, not a spontaneous event, and that a very large collection of facts render the official narrative false.

So you would like to pass on why POTUS flew those folks on AF1?
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You have provided exactly zero of these supposed facts.

Your despicable fairy tales are downright laughable.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You have provided exactly zero of these supposed facts.

Your despicable fairy tales are downright laughable.
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I will surprised if he provides any of the "large collection of facts" that make the official narrative false.
 
mike2810 said:
I will surprised if he provides any of the "large collection of facts" that make the official narrative false.
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You like to be spoon fed Mike, and I won't play. I've given condensed versions of those facts and named only a few. I've offered material for any curious person to check on his own, but you and the other gullible ones avoid such learning like you avoid the plague.

You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think, especially when he is in deep denial.

As Barnum noted, the public appears to be disposed to be amused (or saddened) even while they are conscious of being deceived.
 
Thoreau72 said:
You like to be spoon fed Mike, and I won't play. I've given condensed versions of those facts and named only a few. I've offered material for any curious person to check on his own, but you and the other gullible ones avoid such learning like you avoid the plague.

You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think, especially when he is in deep denial.

As Barnum noted, the public appears to be disposed to be amused (or saddened) even while they are conscious of being deceived.
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:lamo
 
Thoreau72 said:
You like to be spoon fed Mike, and I won't play. I've given condensed versions of those facts and named only a few. I've offered material for any curious person to check on his own, but you and the other gullible ones avoid such learning like you avoid the plague.

You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think, especially when he is in deep denial.

As Barnum noted, the public appears to be disposed to be amused (or saddened) even while they are conscious of being deceived.
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What you give is condensed versions of your opinion.

So I was correct. You will not provide specifics or links to back up what you stated. I provided a link to the investigation report. Have yet to see you disprove anything that is in it.

I even provided sources that shows you were wrong about the shooter being untrained/unskilled. Nothing from you to refute it.

As the saying goes "there is a sucker born every minute". :peace
 
mike2810 said:
I will surprised if he provides any of the "large collection of facts" that make the official narrative false.
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T-72, like all CTers, is too cowardly to do any such thing. He clings to delusional fantasies, but since said fantasies lack any basis in fact he has to hide behind desperate flailing, handwaving, excuses and general nonsense.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I have never said it didn't happen sir. What I have said and stand by is that it was a staged event, not a spontaneous event, and that a very large collection of facts render the official narrative false.

So you would like to pass on why POTUS flew those folks on AF1?
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Okay, I'll ask in a different way. What is your proof that it was staged? We've already eliminated the sign the participants were supposedly being directed by. There is more than enough research out there that has shown the people claiming shadowing was not correct for the time of year/day were using faulty numbers. Lanza wasn't carrying his body weight in weapons and ammo. He had been to the shooting range with his mom and also had a pretty high kill count in the gaming world. I think it was over 80K.

Added, Lanza was off kilter for many years prior to this event, as many of the people that do these kind of killings. The exception being Stephen Paddock who didn't seem to have any really quirky background going. So it's not as though Lanza just woke up one morning and said "hey I think I'll go kill my mom, steal her car and then go shoot up some kids at the local school".


We already know why he flew them on AF1. The 11 relatives went to Washington to speak about gun control. That's something I think many relatives would do given the circumstances and such an offer.
 
SkyFox76 said:
Okay, I'll ask in a different way. What is your proof that it was staged? We've already eliminated the sign the participants were supposedly being directed by. There is more than enough research out there that has shown the people claiming shadowing was not correct for the time of year/day were using faulty numbers. Lanza wasn't carrying his body weight in weapons and ammo. He had been to the shooting range with his mom and also had a pretty high kill count in the gaming world. I think it was over 80K.

Added, Lanza was off kilter for many years prior to this event, as many of the people that do these kind of killings. The exception being Stephen Paddock who didn't seem to have any really quirky background going. So it's not as though Lanza just woke up one morning and said "hey I think I'll go kill my mom, steal her car and then go shoot up some kids at the local school".


We already know why he flew them on AF1. The 11 relatives went to Washington to speak about gun control. That's something I think many relatives would do given the circumstances and such an offer.
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My proof is related to my age and life experiences. I am most skeptical of the statements of authoritarians. All my life they have told lies. This story has more holes in it than 10 pounds of Swiss cheese.

This was a staged event involving people playing a role. I guess only the most perceptive amongst us are able to see that.
 
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