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    Re: Mass shootings aren't hoaxes/false flags. Prove me wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    I very much enjoy being challenged. That's one of the reasons I come here. I enjoy good conversation such as yours.

    But I long ago became weary of "conversations" with people in denial of facts. I am weary of people allergic to facts. It is true that ignorance can be blissful, but engaging in conversation with such folks is a dead end.

    Not to change subject, but San Bernardino was clearly a staged event with a false narrative. So too was Pulse, with many examples of crisis actors, and not one moment of time was spent by the mainstream media covering that obvious fact recorded by a handful of private individuals. Scott Pelley The So-Called Journalist utterly disregarded what he was told by an eye-witness who worked in the building, rather in the same way the 911 Committee utterly ignored the testimony of a janitor who had worked in the building for many long years.

    There is behavior that is so consistent it becomes a pattern of behavior associated with many of these events. That you are unable to perceive such patterns is your own problem, not mine. I can see that pattern, and so would a sly fox if he were able to enunciate it.
    So the short answer is no you haven't done the work yourself and are using other people's thinking and work to reach your conclusions. The same as I would do to refute what you might offer.

    I have no aversion to looking at other people's claims and doing my own research with what is out there on the www, however I prefer to discuss one fact at a time instead of jumping all over the place from one shooting (or incident) to the next. With the exception of recent events I think enough time has gone on where most of the conspiracies that existed have been debunked. Do I have questions about 9/11? Sure. And I spent countless hours reading and watching various videos. Some of them so absurd a five year old could see the faulty thinking. Others have made me stop and think. It's a very complex event like no other in history. Mass shootings are an entirely different animal though.

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    Re: Mass shootings aren't hoaxes/false flags. Prove me wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyFox76 View Post
    So the short answer is no you haven't done the work yourself and are using other people's thinking and work to reach your conclusions. The same as I would do to refute what you might offer.

    I have no aversion to looking at other people's claims and doing my own research with what is out there on the www, however I prefer to discuss one fact at a time instead of jumping all over the place from one shooting (or incident) to the next. With the exception of recent events I think enough time has gone on where most of the conspiracies that existed have been debunked. Do I have questions about 9/11? Sure. And I spent countless hours reading and watching various videos. Some of them so absurd a five year old could see the faulty thinking. Others have made me stop and think. It's a very complex event like no other in history. Mass shootings are an entirely different animal though.
    Do you mean have I visited Newtown myself and gone over public records including real estate transfers? Heavens no! I used to visit Bridgeport often back in the 80s, but I've never been to Newtown.

    No, but I've read the work of several others, and it seems much more in line with common sense to me than that absurd story about a 90 pound child shooting his mother and then raising hell with an AR15.

    The story has always been odd, and right from the beginning. My first clue was the odd briefing by the coroner, besides the claims regarding Lanza. Both he and Cruz are similar patsies.

    Mass shootings are a different animal in what way?

    Have you ever read the book by Lance de-Haven Smith, "Conspiracy Theory in America"? It's quite interesting how the term came into public use, if you're interested.

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    Re: Mass shootings aren't hoaxes/false flags. Prove me wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Right, common sense says they would bring in the sign AFTER the exercise.
    You're assuming that it was an exercise. It wasn't.

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    Re: Mass shootings aren't hoaxes/false flags. Prove me wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Thank you for a courteous comment and question.

    I will, for the sake of discussion, concede that you are correct, and the signs went in after the shooting.

    If one looks at the big picture, too many details of the official narrative fail upon closer examination. The players, the actors are in many cases recognizable from facial photography as being the same person at yet another crisis event, like Boston. The fact that broken glass and other things photographed do not comport with the official narrative.
    It would be helpful if you give specific examples and sources rather than broad accusations
    That the demolition crew who eventually destroyed the building were forced to sign non disclosure agreements. Why the secrecy?
    Source?
    And it goes on and on. Real estate records on properties involved in the families involved. Photos taken closely analyzed show improper shadows from the sun for December.
    Again, it would be helpful if you actually show us what you're talking about.

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    Re: Mass shootings aren't hoaxes/false flags. Prove me wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Do you mean have I visited Newtown myself and gone over public records including real estate transfers? Heavens no! I used to visit Bridgeport often back in the 80s, but I've never been to Newtown.
    So instead you rely on bloggers to do the work for you.
    No, but I've read the work of several others, and it seems much more in line with common sense to me than that absurd story about a 90 pound child shooting his mother and then raising hell with an AR15.
    As I said, from personal experience, I can tell you first hand that its not that difficult for soneone of that size to carry out something like that. I weigh 110 and can operate an AR15 with little difficulty even while moving and carrying wieght like loaded magazines.
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    The story has always been odd, and right from the beginning. My first clue was the odd briefing by the coroner, besides the claims regarding Lanza. Both he and Cruz are similar patsies.[/quote]

    What was odd about it?
    Mass shootings are a different animal in what way?

    Have you ever read the book by Lance de-Haven Smith, "Conspiracy Theory in America"? It's quite interesting how the term came into public use, if you're interested.
    So in order to validate your view point, I have to buy a book that may or may not deal with this subject in-depth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maccabee View Post
    You're assuming that it was an exercise. It wasn't.
    The sign is debunked. There is dated video showing the location the day of the shooting and the sign is not there. So that's one we can scratch off the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Do you mean have I visited Newtown myself and gone over public records including real estate transfers? Heavens no! I used to visit Bridgeport often back in the 80s, but I've never been to Newtown.

    No, but I've read the work of several others, and it seems much more in line with common sense to me than that absurd story about a 90 pound child shooting his mother and then raising hell with an AR15.

    The story has always been odd, and right from the beginning. My first clue was the odd briefing by the coroner, besides the claims regarding Lanza. Both he and Cruz are similar patsies.

    Mass shootings are a different animal in what way?

    Have you ever read the book by Lance de-Haven Smith, "Conspiracy Theory in America"? It's quite interesting how the term came into public use, if you're interested.
    So let me see if I understand you right. When I asked you for more information on the hoax, your reply was that I wanted someone else to do my thinking for me. That's incorrect. What I wanted was for you to show me something more that I could look into myself to gather more information. Much like the "sign" you spoke of. That's exactly how you've gathered your own information to create an opinion. You're using other people peoples research.

    As for a 90lb child. Lanza was 20 years old. Reports are he was 6' and weighed 112 lbs. The weight of guns and ammo was 30.47lbs. Sadly people with mental issue to kill their own family members. Parents, siblings, grandparents. And for foolish reasons like would let them borrow the car, or go to a party. So no it's not out of the realm of possibility that a guy obsessed with killing would first off his mother. Possibly it was his not wanting her to have to deal with the horrendous actions he was about to engage in.

    Shootings are a different animal because buildings being hit by planes and collapsing with 1000's being killed is not on the same level as gunmen killing a large number of people. Not even in the case of LV.

    I'm not much of a reader other than things on line dealing with specific topics. Thanks.

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