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Zero Point Energy

zyzygy said:
So you have visited these retreats and met the masters?
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I was out of my body for four months and in the bodies that I was clothed in was dragged through many retreats and had direct contact with the Masters.

The "I AM" says apply these teachings yourself and you will have plenty of proof.

The part is that it is an arduous path requiring restraint of the lower nature, diet and lifestyle habit where you will purify the human creation of your ages long path and go back to Godhead (not a pleasant proposition for a materially conditioned soul).

It's easy, just say, "Jesus make yourself real to me," or, "Tonight while my body sleeps I go forth to the retreat in the Royal Teton."
 
Exquisitor said:
I was out of my body for four months and in the bodies that I was clothed in was dragged through many retreats and had direct contact with the Masters.

The "I AM" says apply these teachings yourself and you will have plenty of proof.

The part is that it is an arduous path requiring restraint of the lower nature, diet and lifestyle habit where you will purify the human creation of your ages long path and go back to Godhead (not a pleasant proposition for a materially conditioned soul).

It's easy, just say, "Jesus make yourself real to me," or, "Tonight while my body sleeps I go forth to the retreat in the Royal Teton."
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Pass. You are a fantasist.
 
Exquisitor said:
I was out of my body for four months and in the bodies that I was clothed in was dragged through many retreats and had direct contact with the Masters.
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Yyy......yeah....

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zyzygy said:
Are you going to get the popcorn?
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In the retreats; the popcorn comes out of thin air.

There's kind of a vein in the "I AM" that wants us all to live this way, but I for one don't want to live this way.

Zyzygy, have you read any of the books?
 
Exquisitor said:
In the retreats; the popcorn comes out of thin air.

There's kind of a vein in the "I AM" that wants us all to live this way, but I for one don't want to live this way.

Zyzygy, have you read any of the books?
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I prefer funnier trash fiction.

"If the old "I AM" remains stuck in some past teachings, the newer Ascended Master sects with living messengers can change with each new day. The channeled God or the gods can justify any inconsistency and modify failed doctrines as well as any politician. Elizabeth Clare Prophet's church has weathered and continues to weather many internal and external difficulties. When Mark Prophet, the group's founder and Elizabeth's second husband, died unexpectedly in 1973, Elizabeth soon remarried and took charge. Riding the cultural wave of the swelling New Age Movement, she guided her newly named Church Universal and Triumphant to the Malibu hills. There the annual conferences attracted over three thousand members, tripling what she and Mark Prophet had attracted together. By 1979 she was divorced again. In the early 1980s CUT sold the Malibu property for seventeen million dollars (to the controversial Nichiren Shoshu Society or Soka Gakkai of Japan) and reinvested it by buying the Forbes Ranch in Montana on the northern border of Yellowstone Park. By 1983 the church had moved its headquarters to Montana and Elizabeth had married once more. That marriage to a much younger but wealthy man lasted until 1997, after she had her fifth child with him in 1994. Mrs. Prophet was fifty five.

CUT had lived on the edge of fear since its inception. Dire warnings from the Masters about economic collapse and international war brought on by hated groups like the "Tri-lateral Commission" and "fallen ones" compelled members to buy survivalist supplies and weapons. In 1972 Mark Prophet named the secret survivalist plan Operation Christ Command or OCC. By the mid to late-eighties Elizabeth Prophet, relying on her astrological acumen, prophesied a "dark cycle" commencing around 1988 and tunneling through 2001. According to Prophet, thousands of years of "bad karma" have accumulated and will come back to haunt us...big time. CUT began a monster excavation program digging deep into the earth to construct huge bomb and survival shelters. One reportedly holds seven hundred or more. Repeating an old pattern that extends back to the "I AM" prophesies in 1939, when the Masters declared that the "War Entity" over Europe was "dissolved," Prophet's "doom prophecy" was badly timed. CUT's fearsome enemy, the communist regimes in Russia and elsewhere, began collapsing like dominos about the time the shelters were near completion. Prophet named a couple of specific dates when the members might have to go underground. When they finally did one day in 1990, nothing happened outside, but inside the shelters it became clear that the panicky group was not ready for that kind of occultation. Nor were the shelters. They never descended again except to play bingo in the largest area.1"

Spiritual Counterfeits Project
 
longview said:
The idea that even when an atom is at ground state there is still practical energy that can be extracted,
is not actually new, but the devil is in the details.
The closest anyone has come is a Dr. Randell Mills.
https://brilliantlightpower.com/
at the center of his concept is the idea that hydrogen as we know it, is not at a true ground state,
but a very common stable state.
His claim is that the early cold fusion experiments, pushed hydrogen off the ledge, releases
a photon with 13.6 eV of energy, somewhere in the UV range, this represents a lot of energy.
He further claims that he has defined a new type of physics to describe this, and has built over unity
devices that have been tested successfully.
https://brilliantlightpower.com/validation-reports/
That said, Mills himself comes across like a hawker at a carnival.
He is building devices that people say work, yet the idea is not catching on.
Like I said the devil is in the details.
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Who says they work? I doubt if they exist. Cold fusion was debunked years ago.
 
zyzygy said:
Who says they work? I doubt if they exist. Cold fusion was debunked years ago.
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Cold fusion, was a strange thing, Ponds saw something, that could not have happened.
The way I heard the story the only power source was a 9 volt battery, and it boiled a 1 liter beaker
of deuterium dry in under a few seconds. (A 9 volt battery cannot do that).
Mills said something else was going on, and physics is not quite ready to accept his views.
On the plus side, several groups have tested his cells, and they produce more energy than is put in,
that alone should warrant further investigation.
 
longview said:
Cold fusion, was a strange thing, Ponds saw something, that could not have happened.
The way I heard the story the only power source was a 9 volt battery, and it boiled a 1 liter beaker
of deuterium dry in under a few seconds. (A 9 volt battery cannot do that).
Mills said something else was going on, and physics is not quite ready to accept his views.
On the plus side, several groups have tested his cells, and they produce more energy than is put in,
that alone should warrant further investigation.
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Links please.
 
Real physics vs making-it-up-as-you-go-along

Many people experience physics like this: There’s a list of equations that the instructor wrote on the chalkboard, and you try plugging in different numbers into different formulas until, hopefully, you calculate something that matches the answer at the back of the book. Then you (optionally) make up a one-sentence ad hoc justification why that’s the right formula to use. This activity, while very common in poorly-taught intro physics courses, is not physics, and has nothing to do with physics.

When I read this book, it seems to me that Mills is engaging in this activity page after page. It seems like Mills knows the right number or equation for this or that famous physics phenomenon, and he just writes down a formula that more-or-less matches it, and makes up a few sentences qualitatively describing why this formula is what it is.

In proper physics, by contrast, you need to write down an equation that applies in many different situations and stick to it. It’s gotta have variables with specific definitions, it’s gotta have a specific domain of applicability, etc. Everything has to be specific, specific, specific—so specific that in any conceivable situation, there is a right and wrong answer to the questions: “Does the equation apply here? And if so, what exactly do the variables mean in this context?” That’s how you know that you’re not making things up as you go along.

The Grand Unified Theory of Classical Physics | Is there a plausible theory of cold fusion?
 
zyzygy said:
Real physics vs making-it-up-as-you-go-along

Many people experience physics like this: There’s a list of equations that the instructor wrote on the chalkboard, and you try plugging in different numbers into different formulas until, hopefully, you calculate something that matches the answer at the back of the book. Then you (optionally) make up a one-sentence ad hoc justification why that’s the right formula to use. This activity, while very common in poorly-taught intro physics courses, is not physics, and has nothing to do with physics.

When I read this book, it seems to me that Mills is engaging in this activity page after page. It seems like Mills knows the right number or equation for this or that famous physics phenomenon, and he just writes down a formula that more-or-less matches it, and makes up a few sentences qualitatively describing why this formula is what it is.

In proper physics, by contrast, you need to write down an equation that applies in many different situations and stick to it. It’s gotta have variables with specific definitions, it’s gotta have a specific domain of applicability, etc. Everything has to be specific, specific, specific—so specific that in any conceivable situation, there is a right and wrong answer to the questions: “Does the equation apply here? And if so, what exactly do the variables mean in this context?” That’s how you know that you’re not making things up as you go along.

The Grand Unified Theory of Classical Physics | Is there a plausible theory of cold fusion?
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I have never really gone into his book, but he had one of his early papers describing what he thought.
If something did cause release of energy the Ponds saw, what could possible account for it and how come it cannot be replicated.
This is who real science is done, I see something and come up with a theory to explain it,
until I come up with something better.
 
zyzygy said:
If there really was such a device it would be on the market and he'd make billions and get a Nobel prize. It's a scam. Pass. Anyone can write reports like that. I'll wait for the peer reviewed papers.
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You would think so!
 
zyzygy said:
I prefer funnier trash fiction.

Spiritual Counterfeits Project
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You'd probably like some of mine then they're not so charged with an ulterior motive of shooing you back to Godhead.

My first book should be out next year in time for the Tribulation; it's called "The False Prophet, He and the Beast."

Saint Germain was probably preparing the Prophets in case the Ballards failed to come through for him and so he let them carry forth a watered down and embellished version of the "I AM" to appeal to a broader base of people.

The Prophets are not the Ballards and the radiation is not the same.

If you haven't read the books, how can you say if they're fiction or not or if you even like them?
 
Exquisitor said:
If we had zero point, we'd be using it to go into space.

Secret air and ground space is for testing experimental, dimensional and alien technologies and visitors and seems pretty normal to me.
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We are still using railroad tracks and trains to travel, even though we've had supersonic airliners. A poor comparison on my part perhaps, but maybe you got it. Because we are still going to space using combustion rockets does not necessarily mean that in some secret location in Nevada we have no knowledge or early prototypes of Zero Point. I'm skeptical, but it's possible.
 
The government may have secretly discovered magic and is hiding it from us but I don’t see why it’s a worthwhile discussion point.
 
Deuce said:
The government may have secretly discovered magic and is hiding it from us but I don’t see why it’s a worthwhile discussion point.
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Yet you bring it up here. When actions betray words....
 
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