• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Ancient Giants On Earth?

Mr Person said:
Is there any idiotic and insane conspiracy theory you don't buy into?




Oh, **** it. Don't answer. I know that if someone started a thread mocking the idea that the solar system was created by farting unicorns, you'd be there in half a second to allege that anyone mocking the idea must actually be a "afraid" of "knowledge", then something something elites something something authority something illuminati something blah blah blah....
Click to expand...

Heck, I don't buy into the 'we never walked on the moon'. I don't buy into the 'we needed to go to Vietnam'. I don't buy into 'I never had sexual relations with that woman'.

Yes counselor, there are many silly theories I don't buy into. I don't buy into James Earl Ray killing MLK or Sirhan killing RFK. I don't buy into office fires and gravity bringing down WTC, and I don't buy into UA93 crashing in Shanksville.

There are many I don't buy into. How about you?
 
Deuce said:
Science doesn't care what one believes is a threat to it.

Name one theory that is upended by this nonsense. Then identify one person or one scenario in which someone stands to gain... anything​ from covering up the mythical giants.

Because that's what your vague "well anyone could perceive a threat" cop out requires. Someone out there who believes they stand to gain something from hiding giants. Does hiding giants make someone rich? Powerful? Enough to somehow coordinate or threaten archaeologists worldwide, for centuries, to suppress their findings?

The trouble with conspiracy theories that involve scientific research is that you somehow have to get the vast majority of that entire field to play along with it. The Russian government suppresses the findings about giants but what does some random archaeologist in South Africa gain from this?
Click to expand...

According to you, science doesn't care about cell phone technology and limitations prior to 2008, but that's just you. Those who understand that science understand the impossibility of the theory you buy into.

The existence of "giants" simply destroys the conventional view of human history. Their existence supports the theory of extraterrestrial intervention/dabbling with the biology of humans and their DNA
 
Thoreau72 said:
According to you, science doesn't care about cell phone technology and limitations prior to 2008, but that's just you. Those who understand that science understand the impossibility of the theory you buy into.
Click to expand...
The science of your gut feeling, you mean? Show me research that shows cell phones could not possibly make a low altitude call in 2001.

The existence of "giants" simply destroys the conventional view of human history. Their existence supports the theory of extraterrestrial intervention/dabbling with the biology of humans and their DNA
Click to expand...

No it doesn’t. Some People were big, therefore aliens? Come on. Dinosaurs may have had feathers, therefore aliens.
 
Deuce said:
The science of your gut feeling, you mean? Show me research that shows cell phones could not possibly make a low altitude call in 2001.



No it doesn’t. Some People were big, therefore aliens? Come on. Dinosaurs may have had feathers, therefore aliens.
Click to expand...

Isn't this an example of what some call "moving the goalposts"?

I never said 2000 cell phones would not make a low altitude call. You said that. I did not.

In fact I have specifically stated that the experiments I conducted in about 2004 would indeed make low altitude calls, max altitude in my experiments was 1500 feet.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Isn't this an example of what some call "moving the goalposts"?

I never said 2000 cell phones would not make a low altitude call. You said that. I did not.

In fact I have specifically stated that the experiments I conducted in about 2004 would indeed make low altitude calls, max altitude in my experiments was 1500 feet.
Click to expand...

Link your published results.
 
Perotista said:
All have changed and evolved over time also. I watched a documentary on the history channel, "Secrets of the Vampire." It delved into the history of vampires, quite enlightening. How we view vampires today began with Bram Stoker who combined many myths and legends into one to write the story of Dracula.
Click to expand...

Indeed. From what I can recall, vampires traditionally arent affected by daylight, but when one of the first vampire movies came out, a silent film called Nosferatu, which portrayed a vampire being killed by sunlight, it became accept lore that vampires would get burned and killed by the rays of the sun. ;)
 
PoS said:
Indeed. From what I can recall, vampires traditionally arent affected by daylight, but when one of the first vampire movies came out, a silent film called Nosferatu, which portrayed a vampire being killed by sunlight, it became accept lore that vampires would get burned and killed by the rays of the sun. ;)
Click to expand...

Exactly, here, you might find this interesting.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/vampire-secrets/
 
Deuce said:
Link your published results.
Click to expand...

Why? You wouldn't believe it anyway. Further, my experiments were not downloaded to the internet Ace.

My experiment was conducted thusly: With an AT&T cellphone and a Nextel cellphone alongside and inside the helicopter on the ground I noted signal strength on each unit as represented by the simple bar graph on all cell phones.

Then depart and begin a climb. Continue monitoring the cell phones, and observe and note the altitude at which the signal strength went to -0- and the units displayed the message NO SERVICE.

Not exactly rocket science, but effective.

Depending upon whether in an urban or rural setting, reflecting the number of cell towers nearby, the NO SERVICE message came on at 1500 feet or below.

If one is informed of that "science" you claim to honor, the science of cell systems in 2004, one understands that the system was designed for people on the ground, driving or walking. The system was NOT designed for people flying.

Reject the science when it suits you Deuce. Reject the science when it threatens the views you hold. Buy into and repeat the lies told you by venal politicians. And expect anybody that knows any better to consider you credible. :lamo
 
Thoreau72 said:
Why? You wouldn't believe it anyway. Further, my experiments were not downloaded to the internet Ace.

My experiment was conducted thusly: With an AT&T cellphone and a Nextel cellphone alongside and inside the helicopter on the ground I noted signal strength on each unit as represented by the simple bar graph on all cell phones.

Then depart and begin a climb. Continue monitoring the cell phones, and observe and note the altitude at which the signal strength went to -0- and the units displayed the message NO SERVICE.

Not exactly rocket science, but effective.

Depending upon whether in an urban or rural setting, reflecting the number of cell towers nearby, the NO SERVICE message came on at 1500 feet or below.

If one is informed of that "science" you claim to honor, the science of cell systems in 2004, one understands that the system was designed for people on the ground, driving or walking. The system was NOT designed for people flying.

Reject the science when it suits you Deuce. Reject the science when it threatens the views you hold. Buy into and repeat the lies told you by venal politicians. And expect anybody that knows any better to consider you credible. :lamo
Click to expand...

So there is no scientific publication in which I can view your results.

Did you repeat the experiment multiple times in different areas? Different cell phone models? Did anyone else replicate your results? Do you really expect me to believe you spent thousands of dollars playing around with cell phones in helicopters and then didn’t publish anything? What prompted this alleged scientific experiment?
 
Deuce said:
So there is no scientific publication in which I can view your results.

Did you repeat the experiment multiple times in different areas? Different cell phone models? Did anyone else replicate your results? Do you really expect me to believe you spent thousands of dollars playing around with cell phones in helicopters and then didn’t publish anything? What prompted this alleged scientific experiment?
Click to expand...

It was a thought experiment.
 
Deuce said:
So there is no scientific publication in which I can view your results.

Did you repeat the experiment multiple times in different areas? Different cell phone models? Did anyone else replicate your results? Do you really expect me to believe you spent thousands of dollars playing around with cell phones in helicopters and then didn’t publish anything? What prompted this alleged scientific experiment?
Click to expand...

No Deuce, I do not expect you to believe me. No, I expect you to disbelieve me, just to torture your brain some more, to do as Kierkegard knew a long time ago, to refuse to believe what is so. So thanks for the demonstration, but I've seen it before.

You enjoy your fantasy, and who am I to interfere with your enjoyment. :peace
 
Ancient giants are not the most far fetched theory, many people today can tower over the average populations, so it is not implausible when average heights were smaller that someone could reach 8,10, 12, or even 15 feet tall. Granted if anyone then reached 15 feet it would be a genetic mutation or a disease involving human growth hormones but it is far from impossile, and truthfully if someone had a freak disease that made them 15 foot tall, I would have made them my greatest warrior just for the fear factor, even if they were so impaired by their height they could not walk anymore.

The crow magnums the ancestors of vikings were on average far taller than humans of their day, it is not a stretch that pre interbreeding a race of humans averaged much taller than even them, and had some freaks that overshadowed their already giant population. It is not hard to see how in those days a freak being even 9 foot tall could be called a giant, even if he was one in a billion even in those days.
 
beerftw said:
Ancient giants are not the most far fetched theory, many people today can tower over the average populations, so it is not implausible when average heights were smaller that someone could reach 8,10, 12, or even 15 feet tall. Granted if anyone then reached 15 feet it would be a genetic mutation or a disease involving human growth hormones but it is far from impossile, and truthfully if someone had a freak disease that made them 15 foot tall, I would have made them my greatest warrior just for the fear factor, even if they were so impaired by their height they could not walk anymore.

The crow magnums the ancestors of vikings were on average far taller than humans of their day, it is not a stretch that pre interbreeding a race of humans averaged much taller than even them, and had some freaks that overshadowed their already giant population. It is not hard to see how in those days a freak being even 9 foot tall could be called a giant, even if he was one in a billion even in those days.
Click to expand...

Cro-Magnons.
Cro-Magnons were robustly built and powerful and are presumed to have been about 166 to 171 cm (about 5 feet 5 inches to 5 feet 7 inches) tall. The body was generally heavy and solid, apparently with strong musculature. The forehead was straight, with slight browridges, and the face short and wide. Cro-Magnons were the first humans (genus Homo) to have a prominent chin. The brain capacity was about 1,600 cc (100 cubic inches), somewhat larger than the average for modern humans. It is thought that Cro-Magnons were probably fairly tall compared with other early human species.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Cro-Magnon
 
Perotista said:
Exactly, here, you might find this interesting.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/vampire-secrets/
Click to expand...

I skimmed through it. I'm pretty familiar with the blood countess and about Vlad Tepes since I've been reading about them as a kid. I guess the funny part of that video was about Jesus being a vampire lol.

beerftw said:
Ancient giants are not the most far fetched theory, many people today can tower over the average populations, so it is not implausible when average heights were smaller that someone could reach 8,10, 12, or even 15 feet tall. Granted if anyone then reached 15 feet it would be a genetic mutation or a disease involving human growth hormones but it is far from impossile, and truthfully if someone had a freak disease that made them 15 foot tall, I would have made them my greatest warrior just for the fear factor, even if they were so impaired by their height they could not walk anymore.

The crow magnums the ancestors of vikings were on average far taller than humans of their day, it is not a stretch that pre interbreeding a race of humans averaged much taller than even them, and had some freaks that overshadowed their already giant population. It is not hard to see how in those days a freak being even 9 foot tall could be called a giant, even if he was one in a billion even in those days.
Click to expand...

I think what most people are overlooking is that man during the early civilizations were mostly short because of their diet. Its a known fact that the more affluent a society becomes the taller the people get (the Japanese have gained 11 inches in height since WW2 due to the introduction of dairy products into their diet). The myths of giants (imo) originated from these primitive people meeting up with more advanced ones- early tribes with access to better nutrition would grow taller, and so thats probably where the myths came from.
 
Thoreau72 said:
According to you, science doesn't care about cell phone technology and limitations prior to 2008, but that's just you. Those who understand that science understand the impossibility of the theory you buy into.

The existence of "giants" simply destroys the conventional view of human history. Their existence supports the theory of extraterrestrial intervention/dabbling with the biology of humans and their DNA
Click to expand...

Or that is just one more thing the Bible is correct on...
 
Elvira said:
Or that is just one more thing the Bible is correct on...
Click to expand...

My take is that the Bible is rather a record of what the people of the time observed. I have no doubts they observed giants, very large humans.

Exactly what those very large humans represent is another matter. What's curious as to human motivation is why one of the Nicene councils, as I recall, saw fit to remove one of the early books from the Bible. What motivation did they have for removing Enoch?
 
Thoreau72 said:
My take is that the Bible is rather a record of what the people of the time observed. I have no doubts they observed giants, very large humans.

Exactly what those very large humans represent is another matter. What's curious as to human motivation is why one of the Nicene councils, as I recall, saw fit to remove one of the early books from the Bible. What motivation did they have for removing Enoch?
Click to expand...

From what I've read, Enoch is basically a fake, not written by Enoch at all but written around 2nd and 1st centuries BCE...it is a collection of unhistorical Jewish myths...thus the reasons for the omission...
 
Thoreau72 said:
No Deuce, I do not expect you to believe me. No, I expect you to disbelieve me, just to torture your brain some more, to do as Kierkegard knew a long time ago, to refuse to believe what is so. So thanks for the demonstration, but I've seen it before.

You enjoy your fantasy, and who am I to interfere with your enjoyment. :peace
Click to expand...

Can’t even answer simple questions about literally Science 101 regarding his so-called experiment, demands we all accept it at his word and calls it science :lamo

My four year old niece lies better than you.
 
PoS said:
I skimmed through it. I'm pretty familiar with the blood countess and about Vlad Tepes since I've been reading about them as a kid. I guess the funny part of that video was about Jesus being a vampire lol.



I think what most people are overlooking is that man during the early civilizations were mostly short because of their diet. Its a known fact that the more affluent a society becomes the taller the people get (the Japanese have gained 11 inches in height since WW2 due to the introduction of dairy products into their diet). The myths of giants (imo) originated from these primitive people meeting up with more advanced ones- early tribes with access to better nutrition would grow taller, and so thats probably where the myths came from.
Click to expand...

The diet thing plays a large part, but so do genetics, the cro-magnon were on average taller than neanderthals yet both used the same hunter gatheror system. Then it was quite common to eat vegetables and fruits throughout summer and fall and eat mostly meat during winter and spring, which actually was what the human body was designed for. Some scientists claimed hunter gatherors had low lifespan, while others shown them to be on par with modern humans, the native americans used an identical system and disease was low and lifespans were high.

Mankind probably never suffered mass malnutrition until cities came into play, where masses huddled together would survive on the cheapest most abundant crops, usually grain based like bread and rice and lentils.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
I absolutely beleive there was a chance that tthere was freak giants but im not sure about a whole race. Maybe 2 peoples genetics just met some weird crazy criteria and it produced a giant, like when a lion and a tiger breed together. Or maybe 20,000 years ago we had sasquatche type "things" that had a slight chance to breed with humans. I think vikings had lore of giant beast men raping women and making super hero type men.



They say there used to be an ancient island with a tribe of giant men... (if they did exist at one point in time they would have been killed / captured by some king and wed prolly never know about it) Just like their might be an ancient immortal dragon bound hidden underground somewhere is King Atlantis' basement.
Click to expand...


hehheh obvious fake
 
beerftw said:
The diet thing plays a large part, but so do genetics, the cro-magnon were on average taller than neanderthals yet both used the same hunter gatheror system. Then it was quite common to eat vegetables and fruits throughout summer and fall and eat mostly meat during winter and spring, which actually was what the human body was designed for. Some scientists claimed hunter gatherors had low lifespan, while others shown them to be on par with modern humans, the native americans used an identical system and disease was low and lifespans were high.

Mankind probably never suffered mass malnutrition until cities came into play, where masses huddled together would survive on the cheapest most abundant crops, usually grain based like bread and rice and lentils.
Click to expand...

See im thinking something like this. Like there were 2 species of human 20,000 years ago and when you breeded the normal humans with hairy beasty humans you got huge giant humans. Something that nature does like when you mix a Lion and a Tiger the genetics make the creature get REALLY big so it can help figure its own physiology out and then slowly it gets smaller and re-complexes itself if it can survive and breed.

I think one day scientists are gonna figure out this "catalyst" that makes strange genetic go "giantian" mode as it tries to figure out genetics and new physiology with a strange creature thats barely compatible.

I think in the future we will have 20 foot tall humans and they will be like.. our nations "champions"
 
"There were Giants upon the Earth"....... by Zechariah Sitchin.


and The Official Web Site of Zecharia Sitchin


And it came to pass,
When men began to multiply on the face of the Earth
and daughters were born unto them,
that the sons of God saw the daughters of men
that they were fair, and they took them wives
of all which they chose.

There were giants upon the Earth
in those days and also thereafter too,
When the sons of God
came in unto the daughters of men
and they bare children to them—
the same Mighty Men of old,
Men of Renown.


https://grahamhancock.com/sitchinz1/
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom