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Conspiracy Theories that Are Probably Real

Bah on the naysayers, but only too a point.

My suspicion is that Trump took dirty money from Russian interests to finance his real estate ventures, after he declared bankruptcy and the Great real-estate crash occurred (ca. 2009ff).

It's not conspiracy, but hypothesis. And not entirely unreasonable at all to suspect this.

Research Felix Slater, Bayrock Group, VTB, Deutsch Bank, and note how they inter-relate with each other, Trump & his properties, Russia, and money laundering.

Then research Micheal Cohen and he & his family - particularly his uncle - running the El Caribe Country Club in Brighton Beach, and it's Russian Mob connections reaching back to the Oligarchs back in Russia. Pay close attention to the Cohen family's relationship with Russian mob bosses Evsei Agron, Marat Balagula and Boris Nayfeld, as they held financial interest and leasing arrangements within the El Caribe.

Now note that Cohen joined the Trump org as the real estate crash hit, and further note that not too long after Donald Jr. told the golf journalist that they could still build when no one could get financing - because they had private Russian money and lots of it!

I challenge the detractors in this thread to do some thorough research on the subjects I presented above, particularly those I bolded for easy reference. If after doing reasonable research into the interrelationships among the bolded, you still believe that there is not even a possibility Trump got dirty Russian money, I'd like to hear your rationale as to why.
 
calamity said:
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I have no idea what "much" means in the Tweet's context.

But I do believe it is possible Trump got some dirty money to invest during and just after the real estate crash, during the recent recession. I'm specifically speaking of Bayrock & Deutsche Bank financing, but also perhaps others we don't know about.

While I can't say Trump knowingly pursued dirty money to actively launder, I believe he would have been happy to turn his eyes the other way and take it. Between Micheal Cohen & Felix Slater, Trump had ample access to dirty Russian money, and no one legit was loaning during that time, and especially not lending to Trump with his recent huge bankruptcies (Trump Casinos, Trump Entertainment Resorts).

It will be extremely interesting to see what Mueller reports, especially if Cohen rolls over, to say nothing of what Felix Slater may be talking about.
 
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That's the ****ed up thing about that phrase - it is oft assumed to mean "crazy dreamed-up convoluted plot".

Which lessens the impact when actual conspiracies show up.
 
Chomsky said:
I have no idea what "much" means in the Tweet's context.

But I do believe it is possible Trump got some dirty money to invest during and just after the real estate crash, during the recent recession. I'm specifically speaking of Bayrock & Deutsche Bank financing, but also perhaps others we don't know about.

While I can't say Trump knowingly pursued dirty money to actively launder, I believe he would have been happy to turn his eyes the other way and take it. Between Micheal Cohen & Felix Slater, Trump had ample access to dirty Russian money, and no one legit was loaning during that time, and especially not lending to Trump with his recent huge bankruptcies (Trump Casinos, Trump Entertainment Resorts).

It will be extremely interesting to see what Mueller reports, especially if Cohen rolls over, to say nothing of what Felix Slater may be talking about.
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I suspect the tweet isn’t even referring to the fishy loans.

Casinos are excellent avenues for laundering money. So too are condo and other real estate sales.

In fact, if your casinos go bankrupt because you built too many casinos too close together, it just might be because you built them only to launder money.
 
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Chomsky said:
My suspicion is that Trump took dirty money from Russian interests to finance his real estate ventures, after he declared bankruptcy and the Great real-estate crash occurred (ca. 2009ff).
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And here is the problem.

Out of over 500 companies that Trump managed, those companies have a combined total of 6 bankruptcies.

3 of them were for the same property, the Taj Mahal. The other 3 were for 2 other casinos in Atlantic City, and the Plaza Hotel in New York.

The Taj Mahal has an interesting history. First started in 1983, the original company was bought out when it was on the brink of bankruptcy in 1988, with the hotel still under construction. It finally opened in 1990, 3 years behind the original scheduled opening. In 1991 the Trump company did a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy to reorganize the debt. The loans on the property had been made by at least 4 different entities, this allowed them to be reconsolidated into a single financing package.

And the Taj was a huge financial drain from before it opened. Most of the debt of his hotel company is all because of that one hotel-casino. The "bankruptcy" of his Resort company was also a pre-planned Chapter 11. The company had already proposed to the bond holders to do a bonds-for-stock swap to cover the standing debt, and negotiations were still ongoing when the bonds became due in November 2004. The proposal was approved in December 2004, the Bankruptcy Court approved, and the bankruptcy was nullified.

The Bankruptcy of the Plaza was very similar. After buying the hotel, over $50 million was invested in repairs and renovations on the 80+ year old building. They were in active negotiations with Citibank to exchange debt for ownership in the building when the debt came due. So like the previous ones, they went into Chapter 11 Bankruptcy until the negotiations were completed.

A lot of people do not understand the difference between Chapter 11 and Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Chapter 11 is simply a reorganization. And in each of the cases above, the negotiations into the resolution were already underway before it was declared. The Bankruptcy was simply a way to buy more time as the negotiations were completed.

Just because a company "goes bankrupt", that does not mean it is going out of business. That is Chapter 7, and that did not happen in any of the cases that a Trump owned company went "Bankrupt".

And the fact that his creditors in each case had no problem in accepting company stock in exchange for the debt shows they were not worried about making their money back. If they had no faith in the company itself, they would have refused the Chapter 11, and forced any of these into a Chapter 7 situation.
 
Conspiracy ? Perish the thought oh ye of little faith. The fine folks running this world would never stoop to secretly plotting anything against the well being of us common 'salt of the earth' types.
 
John Prewett said:
Conspiracy ? Perish the thought oh ye of little faith. The fine folks running this world would never stoop to secretly plotting anything against the well being of us common 'salt of the earth' types.
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Who are these fine folks? Governments change all the time.
 
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