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    Re: [W:57: 1585]Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

    Quote Originally Posted by gamolon View Post
    Garrycan can post all he wants about Skilling, Robertson, ARUP
    Thank you - I'll keep that post to remember you by every time I do. Fair thee well Gamelon, and here's a poem for you in response to your KNIFE/MURDER analogy.

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    Re: [W:57: 1585]Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

    Quote Originally Posted by gerrycan View Post
    Thank you - I'll keep that post to remember you by every time I do. Fair thee well Gamelon, and here's a poem for you in response to your KNIFE/MURDER analogy.

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    You still have to present your CD theory, timorous beastie. And you couldn't even get his name right.
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    Re: [W:57: 1585]Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

    Quote Originally Posted by zyzygy View Post
    You still have to present your CD theory, timorous beastie. And you couldn't even get his name right.
    Do you mean for the towers or for WTC7 ?

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    Re: [W:57: 1585]Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

    Quote Originally Posted by gerrycan View Post
    Do you mean for the towers or for WTC7 ?
    I am not privy to your 911 delusions. You choose.
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    Re: [W:57: 1585]Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

    I am interested in reading Gerry's understanding of the initiation of each of the twin towers... as well as if he accepts what has been called ROOSD... and the same for 7wtc. I think understanding the structural schemes is important... as I believe they will dictate so some extent how the building collapses... Yet I am not convinced that the level of detail he pursues helps to understand the mechanisms and processes of the progressive collapse from static to collapsed.
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    Re: [W:57: 1585]Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

    Quote Originally Posted by SanderO View Post
    I am interested in reading Gerry's understanding of the initiation of each of the twin towers... as well as if he accepts what has been called ROOSD... and the same for 7wtc. I think understanding the structural schemes is important... as I believe they will dictate so some extent how the building collapses... Yet I am not convinced that the level of detail he pursues helps to understand the mechanisms and processes of the progressive collapse from static to collapsed.
    Thank you Sander.

    I think you're pretty much aware of my views on WTC7 from the videos we released years ago.
    Haven't looked at the South Tower so much yet. But I think the North tower initiated in the SW of the core, and the observable pull in at the perimeters is visually the initial movement that happens as a result.

    On the S face, before the collapse as the bowing became noticable, it can be seen to extend right into the 2 way zone at the SW corner perimeter, to within a column or 2 of the corner. For that corner to be pulled like that requires the floor trusses to move, even if hypothetically it were by way of being forced back by the bowing columns. The point is that they DID move, although we cannot see them.

    For those to be pulled in the manner observed would take not a sagging but a direct pull from at least the SW core corner dropping, or perhaps even just a failure of the slanted pipe connection at the corner of the core. And if that happened or the core column itself dropped, or even moved because of the pipe failing, the load would be handed off eventually to the hat truss, which could initiate a partial failure higher up around 107 that could potentially cause the (slight) antenna drop pre collapse.

    The other point is that even if the floor trusses in the SW 2 way zone sagged, they would pull on the transfer truss and the perimeters. The perimeters would survive that battle every time without flinching. So I think AT LEAST the whole floor failed in the SW corner, initiating the collapse by way of the hat truss, failing the antenna and then overloading rapidly from there.

    I am not saying that this scenario even hints at CD, or fire for that matter. But it does seem like a viable failure mode that would accomodate the observations. It does need a bit more detail to it, but IMO it fits the observations better than anything else I have heard for the initiation.

    Feel free to rip it to shreds.

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