[W:57: 1585]Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

mike2810 · Mar 20, 2019

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ralphcdp said:
That's hilarious, "evidence/facts" is antithetical to metabunkers.

That is true. They ****ed up royally. No evidence for OBL, no Muslim hijackers, molten steel, molybdenum, iron, US nanothermite, seismic record shows bombs, ... .

But metabunkers make this loony pretense that they are interested in evidence/facts. That is nutty beyond belief.

I would suggest your drop the "metabunkers" name calling.
Your opinion is noted.

zyzygy · Mar 20, 2019

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mike2810 said:
I would suggest your drop the "metabunkers" name calling.
Your opinion is noted.

It's not name calling. A name has to have a meaning. Metabunkers is a meaningless cognomen.

mike2810 · Mar 20, 2019

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zyzygy said:
It's not name calling. A name has to have a meaning. Metabunkers is a meaningless cognomen.

Good point.

I respond to his post for amusement. Some are incapable of rational discussion.

ralphcdp · Mar 20, 2019

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mike2810 said:
I would suggest your drop the "metabunkers" name calling.
Your opinion is noted.

metabunkers works perfectly. All the US governments' supporters are just like their boss, ole mickey, full of nothing but BS and always no evidence.

ralphcdp · Mar 20, 2019

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mike2810 said:
Good point.

I respond to his post for amusement. Some are incapable of rational discussion.

z has no point and you know it. He has illustrated his stunning hypocrisy numerous times, here again. He says it has no meaning but he has used it himself for the same meaning. metabunkers can't help but be hypocrites. When all y'all do is lie lie lie, like the US government, you catch yourselves in your own lies.

zyzygy · Mar 20, 2019

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mike2810 said:
Good point.

I respond to his post for amusement. Some are incapable of rational discussion.

Trying to have a rational discussion with a truther is like trying to nail a jellyfish to a wall. A good analogy because a jellyfish is spineless.

ralphcdp · Mar 20, 2019

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ralphcdp said:
metabunkers works perfectly. All the US governments' supporters are just like their boss, ole mickey, full of nothing but BS and always no evidence.

Which do you watch before bed, I'm guessing the jumpers videos because you care not at all about the Bush government murdering your fellow citizens. Why?

Quag · Mar 20, 2019

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zyzygy said:
Trying to have a rational discussion with a truther is like trying to nail a jellyfish to a wall. A good analogy because a jellyfish is spineless.

If you stop talking to him he will either go away or realize he must actually provide some evidence.

mike2810 · Mar 20, 2019

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Quag said:
If you stop talking to him he will either go away or realize he must actually provide some evidence.

He just quoted himself and asked a question (post 1532). It will be interesting to see if he responds.

I agree. It is past time.

Quag · Mar 20, 2019

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mike2810 said:
He just quoted himself and asked a question (post 1532). It will be interesting to see if he responds.

I agree. It is past time.

When they start to quote themselves…..

ralphcdp · Mar 21, 2019

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The metabunkers are having a little soiree to gather evidence for the US governments' conspiracy theory. None was found.

SanderO · Mar 21, 2019

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99.999% of the people do not take truther claims seriously.

Thoreau72 · Mar 21, 2019

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mike2810 said:
Neither you or those you follow (Gage, Prager) can prove it was carried out by a part of the government. You spout talking points from AE911T, Veterans Today, DRG, etc. They can't even agree. You console yourself in believing what they say it true. It was the evil government. "So it goes in the world of the dissonant."

Like SanderO stated "You can't debate or discuss 9/11 unless the two sides can agree on the basic facts / observations / and applicable science."

If not rogue agents within the government, who else could spoof the radar system, claim that airliners were hijacked when there is no proof, claim cell phone calls that were impossible at the time, prepare the WTC buildings for demolition including nuclear devices, set up a government commission "set up to fail", conveniently blow up that part of the Pentagon conducting audits of missing funds, invoke certain parts of the SEC rule book never invoked before that very nicely dove-tailed with US securities investigations at the Pentagon, and then celebrate the event every single year in Goebbels fashion?

ralphcdp · Mar 21, 2019

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SanderO said:
99.999% of the people do not take truther claims seriously.

You are lying, SanderO. That is not at all what various polls have said.

Who is your metabunk ruler, the one who hands down these silly memes for junior metabunkers to post? Are any of you metabunkers scientists, architects, engineers, physicists, ... ? I can't remember hearing of any reputable professional that supports the US governments' conspiracy theory. Why on earth do you metabunkers do so when there is no evidence?

mike2810 · Mar 21, 2019

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Thoreau72 said:
If not rogue agents within the government, who else could spoof the radar system, claim that airliners were hijacked when there is no proof, claim cell phone calls that were impossible at the time, prepare the WTC buildings for demolition including nuclear devices, set up a government commission "set up to fail", conveniently blow up that part of the Pentagon conducting audits of missing funds, invoke certain parts of the SEC rule book never invoked before that very nicely dove-tailed with US securities investigations at the Pentagon, and then celebrate the event every single year in Goebbels fashion?

You realize your statement has false premises. For example "could spoof the radar system". All those statements have never been proven to be true. Since you made the claim it is up to you to prove them to be correct. I know from your past you do not believe you should have to prove your statements. You will just say the official reports cannot be proven.

One must ask, what findings are more reasonable? See, HD you are not the only one who is a "free thinker". :mrgreen:

SanderO · Mar 21, 2019

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ralphcdp said:
You are lying, SanderO. That is not at all what various polls have said.

Who is your metabunk ruler, the one who hands down these silly memes for junior metabunkers to post? Are any of you metabunkers scientists, architects, engineers, physicists, ... ? I can't remember hearing of any reputable professional that supports the US governments' conspiracy theory. Why on earth do you metabunkers do so when there is no evidence?

I am a reliable professional architect
I have been working in the profession since 1972, licensed in 1982
I worked for Emery Roth & Sons when I graduated architecture school
I was on the board of AE011T for several months... invited by Gage because he wanted a NY architect on his board. We parted ways when it became clear to me that they were not interested in finding out the cause of the collapse of the buildings but advancing doubt of the NIST report and suggesting nano thermite was used to take the towers down.

ralphcdp · Mar 21, 2019

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SanderO said:
I was on the board of AE011T for several months... invited by Gage because he wanted a NY architect on his board. We parted ways when it became clear to me that they were not interested in finding out the cause of the collapse of the buildings but advancing doubt of the NIST report and suggesting nano thermite was used to take the towers down.

Forgive me but you don't sound reliable. The NIST report is nothing but lies. NIST has been caught in lies. Nanothermite was found in WTC dust. The by products were found, molten steel was found, molten molybdenum was found, iron microspheres, some 5.87% of total WTC dust was found. No photos for any "hijackers" from airport CCTV cameras have ever been produced, no evidence for OBL's involvement has ever been produced by Bush, Blair, Colon Powell, anybody.

WTC7 free fall. Twin towers accelerating collapses, over 100 firefighters and first responders descriptions of bombs and explosions. GWB's description of bombs and explosions in the twin towers.

The seismic record totally supports CDs. The US government/911 Comm/US governments scientists lied about this too.

Why are you, with your purported stellar record, a complete unknown? One would think that MSM would be looking for a fellow just like you.

Quag · Mar 21, 2019

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Thoreau72 said:
If not rogue agents within the government, who else could spoof the radar system, claim that airliners were hijacked when there is no proof, claim cell phone calls that were impossible at the time, prepare the WTC buildings for demolition including nuclear devices, set up a government commission "set up to fail", conveniently blow up that part of the Pentagon conducting audits of missing funds, invoke certain parts of the SEC rule book never invoked before that very nicely dove-tailed with US securities investigations at the Pentagon, and then celebrate the event every single year in Goebbels fashion?

No RADARS were spoofed and despite your claims ATC does not and never has trained with injects on live RADAR. The planes were hijacked the proof has been given, the cell phone calls were nto impossible despite3 your silly claims, there was no nukes at the WTC.
Man you get everything wrong ever single time

ralphcdp · Mar 21, 2019

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Quag said:
The planes were hijacked the proof has been given,

As always, no evidence from the junior metabunker. Any hijacking was done by Bush et al. And the metabunkers support these evil crude even when they know full well that the Bush government murdered their own. That really take a special kind of evil, metabunkers, but y'all are up to it.

There were no date/time stamped photos of any of the alleged hijackers from any of the airports on 9/11.

... the cell phone calls were nto impossible despite3 your silly claims,

Why do you lie about things you know nothing about? Why can't you spell simple English words?

SanderO · Mar 22, 2019

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ralphcdp said:
Why are you, with your purported stellar record, a complete unknown? One would think that MSM would be looking for a fellow just like you.

I am not interested in being known. I don't lie. And I don't make the claim that I am the arbiter of truth. My interest in 9/11 was to satisfy my own curiosity about how the towers came down. I did that using the resources available to me... most of them found online. I also attended multiple truther events and listened to their various presentations/arguments. I approached the topic believing NIST's explanations fell short. In many ways I still believe that they got details wrong and I find alternate explanations make more sense. However I saw/see no evidence of CD, or they being false flags. This is what I found and saying so does not make me a liar or a debunker. I write for no one but myself and do not waste my time with people who are willfully ignorant and report what amounts to nonsense with no basis made up from whole cloth. Unfortunately there was an absence of real time data and so anyone who ventures to explain is using a fair amount of assumptions - reasonable and conservative, but not provable. The so called anomalies found in the debris have all been given perfectly sound explanations consistent with explanations which do not involve CD. If the truther claims had any merit they could be taken seriously. They don't and so they aren't. I don't give a hoot what others believe... as long as they don't harm others with those beliefs.

Thoreau72 · Mar 22, 2019

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mike2810 said:
You realize your statement has false premises. For example "could spoof the radar system". All those statements have never been proven to be true. Since you made the claim it is up to you to prove them to be correct. I know from your past you do not believe you should have to prove your statements. You will just say the official reports cannot be proven.

One must ask, what findings are more reasonable? See, HD you are not the only one who is a "free thinker". :mrgreen:

Only to YOU, Sir Michael, is the spoofing not proved. If you bothered to read Ruppert's book, including the many footnotes therein, you would discover that several of the MSM reported that.

If you knew anything about how aviation radar, or radar in general, works, and if you were honest with yourself, you would understand that spoofing the system is very easy from the inside.

Quag · Mar 22, 2019

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Thoreau72 said:
Only to YOU, Sir Michael, is the spoofing not proved. If you bothered to read Ruppert's book, including the many footnotes therein, you would discover that several of the MSM reported that.

If you knew anything about how aviation radar, or radar in general, works, and if you were honest with yourself, you would understand that spoofing the system is very easy from the inside.

There you do again no actual evidence just claims
No RADAR was spoofed And if you knew anything about aviation and RADAR you would realize what a massively complex thing it would be to do so.
Your ignorance on aviation is a matter of record at this point\

Still waiting for you to try and explain yur bogus claim that ground effect makes flying a plane at high speed near the ground very difficult

Waiting, waiting, waiting.....

ralphcdp · Mar 22, 2019

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SanderO said:
We parted ways when it became clear to me that they were not interested in finding out the cause of the collapse of the buildings but advancing doubt of the NIST report and suggesting nano thermite was used to take the towers down.

Your focus is unprofessionally narrow. And you have avoided it in this latest post, #1545. Excuse me again, but anyone with a brain would "advance doubt of the NIST report". They are advancing something that is antithetical to established science. No one has taken their "advice" to heart, ie. changed building codes/fire codes to reflect their nonsense. The didn't even do a study of the twin towers, they simply did the totally unscientific - assumed global collapse was inevitable.

On WTC7, they lied on many issues, free fall, shear studs, and about 12 other issues wrt the drawings, advancing the ludicrous notion that a localized fire/event could cause the symmetrical collapse of WTC7, blatantly lying about no molten steel [John the gross liar Gross] and with Gross being caught in his own blatant lie.

You reveal your own unprofessional/unscientific bias when you suggest your main reason for fleeing a group of 3,118 professional architect and engineers with how many thousands of years of experience, 60,000???, is because they questioned the lying NIST group, the "we didn't check for explosives because why look for something that isn't there" folks? Is that what you call professional?

Might I suggest that you simply can't fact up to the fact that your own governments murdered its own citizens? And millions more because of their LIES. So you want to pretend to believe the people who will murder millions all based on lies to steal the wealth of other peoples?

mike2810 · Mar 22, 2019

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Thoreau72 said:
Only to YOU, Sir Michael, is the spoofing not proved. If you bothered to read Ruppert's book, including the many footnotes therein, you would discover that several of the MSM reported that.

If you knew anything about how aviation radar, or radar in general, works, and if you were honest with yourself, you would understand that spoofing the system is very easy from the inside.

Not true, HD. The spoofing was shown to be wrong years ago. Just like your belief with ACARS. That was shown to be not true. Even Capt. Bob finally gave up. I don't base my conclusions on one book. You should try using sources other that conspiracy authors.

Footnotes: Like the ones you failed to read on Prager's book. If you had you would know the mini neutron bomb that he claimed was used did not exist except in theory back in 2001.

Thoreau72 · Mar 22, 2019

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mike2810 said:
Not true, HD. The spoofing was shown to be wrong years ago. Just like your belief with ACARS. That was shown to be not true. Even Capt. Bob finally gave up. I don't base my conclusions on one book. You should try using sources other that conspiracy authors.

Footnotes: Like the ones you failed to read on Prager's book. If you had you would know the mini neutron bomb that he claimed was used did not exist except in theory back in 2001.

Conspiracy authors? LOL, that's a good one Mike.

You buy into the fairy tale offered by conspiracy experts even though the facts work against that tale.

Ruppert did his homework, found some tidbits of truth, and you must call him a conspiracy author. You're a hoot Mike.