[W:57: 1585]Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

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What is the point of this thread?

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mike2810 said:

Really? A dozen or so peoples perspective? It is a visual archive. There is image analysis done by some other than the author. I will bet you really have not studied what is presented.

"In retrospect, the single biggest obstacle for many participants within such discussions, including mathematicians, physicists, chemists, engineers, computer programmers and journalists, was their own head-strong vanity which led to premature states of false certainty. The evidence for this is everywhere one looks within years of recorded posting histories, published papers and articles written about the collapses. It became quite obvious that the less humility and caution one has when approaching these issues, the more certain that individual was to state blatantly untrue information and defend it to the point of absurdity.
A World Trade Center Collapse Investigative Resource - World Trade Center Evidence-Based Research

Are you saying your web site with its explanation is the one clear concise explanation for the destruction of WTC1 and 2?

So we can expect Gage, Jones, Prager, Griffin, etc. to announce that you are correct. Can't wait to read about it. :mrgreen:

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You will find that Gage, Jones, Prager, Griffin explain nothing with evidence that is also feasible in engineering terms or comprehensive. LOL, they do not even know what the core structure made of or how it was designed. Gage and Jones are agents, the other two have no website with their evidence. You ought to read the rest of the thread since I started posting in it.

I am sure, by your post, you have not studied what I have presented and its all fact or hard evidence. WTF are those icons not here arguing for the truth they say they have?

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ChrisABrown said:

You will find that Gage, Jones, Prager, Griffin explain nothing with evidence that is also feasible in engineering terms or comprehensive. LOL, they do not even know what the core structure made of or how it was designed. Gage and Jones are agents, the other two have no website with their evidence. You ought to read the rest of the thread since I started posting in it.

I am sure, by your post, you have not studied what I have presented and its all fact or hard evidence. WTF are those icons not here arguing for the truth they say they have?

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Personally, I'm not sure of the significance of the concrete core you discuss. If, in some way or another, it shows deception, then that is no big thing. The entire 911 thing is huge deception, on many levels.

I disagree with your claim that Prager, Griffin and others explain nothing with evidence. Having read many of the books and articles by them and others, they are more into showing the many inconsistencies of the official story. More than explaining anything, they expose things the mainstream media simply will not discuss, and they show how those things are fatal to the official story.

Gage merely shows that from the damage observed, the NIST report simply cannot be accurate. Ditto for Prager and others.

The official story fails at even superficial analysis, and those men have showed it in different ways.

Office fires and jetfuel and gravity CANNOT cause molten iron.

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ChrisABrown said:

You will find that Gage, Jones, Prager, Griffin explain nothing with evidence that is also feasible in engineering terms or comprehensive. LOL, they do not even know what the core structure made of or how it was designed. Gage and Jones are agents, the other two have no website with their evidence. You ought to read the rest of the thread since I started posting in it.

I am sure, by your post, you have not studied what I have presented and its all fact or hard evidence. WTF are those icons not here arguing for the truth they say they have?

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You are jumping to conclusions. Much like your website.

Noted: You did not answer the question regarding the explanation for WTC 1 and 2.

So according to you AE911T, P4911T, Prager, DRG, etc. can all be shrugged of as not knowing what they are doing. Are you saying your site is the only correct one?

The discussion your having with other posters proves my point that those who believe it was a controlled demolition cannot agree beyond it was a CD. imo, there will never be the one concise CD explanation presented.

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Thoreau72 said:

Personally, I'm not sure of the significance of the concrete core you discuss. If, in some way or another, it shows deception, then that is no big thing. The entire 911 thing is huge deception, on many levels.

I disagree with your claim that Prager, Griffin and others explain nothing with evidence. Having read many of the books and articles by them and others, they are more into showing the many inconsistencies of the official story. More than explaining anything, they expose things the mainstream media simply will not discuss, and they show how those things are fatal to the official story.

Gage merely shows that from the damage observed, the NIST report simply cannot be accurate. Ditto for Prager and others.

The official story fails at even superficial analysis, and those men have showed it in different ways.

Office fires and jetfuel and gravity CANNOT cause molten iron.

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Gage and Jones does more than what you present. AE911T has refuted Prager's nuke theory. Prager has tried to refute the thermite theory. It is interesting to read the different papers/books to see how each use the "data" to support their respective conclusions. Makes one wonder how one group can say the analysis show no nuclear event occurred while the other says it does support a nuclear event. One group says nanothermite was found the other says no it was not (Prager). Seems someone or both are not correct.

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Thoreau72 said:

Personally, I'm not sure of the significance of the concrete core you discuss. If, in some way or another, it shows deception, then that is no big thing. The entire 911 thing is huge deception, on many levels.

I disagree with your claim that Prager, Griffin and others explain nothing with evidence. Having read many of the books and articles by them and others, they are more into showing the many inconsistencies of the official story. More than explaining anything, they expose things the mainstream media simply will not discuss, and they show how those things are fatal to the official story.

Gage merely shows that from the damage observed, the NIST report simply cannot be accurate. Ditto for Prager and others.

The official story fails at even superficial analysis, and those men have showed it in different ways.

Office fires and jetfuel and gravity CANNOT cause molten iron.

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We have a giant CON going on. Confounding is the root of that. Evaluation of the visual and audio indicate something not possible with a steel framed core. This is beyond the issue of placement and distribution of explosives.

If you know what it takes to cut steel with HE, then the above will be meaningful. No one even approaches those issues and the knowledgable public rejects everything that does not address them. When absurdities like "nano thermite" are presented, all credibility disappears.

Thermite is indeed the only way for the masses of molten steel, and that should be enough on its own. But the nonsense notion of "nano" was developed to compromise the fact of thermite.

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<alt>doxygen said:

I'm one of the nuts that finds neither side entirely convincing. The truthers are short on a body of facts that provide a complete, cohesive narrative. The gubment story supporters are stuck with excusing a number of improbable coincidences that amounted to a perfect storm.

I have decided that I'll probably never be entirely convinced one way or another. And I'm okay with that.

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I have a hard time believing that our government could enlist some muslim radicals (the pilots ) to kill themselves, not in the name of Allah, but in the name of furthering objectives of the CIA ( to blame it all on Osama etc while killing thousands of Americans ), or some such incredulous nonsense.

For me, the "inside" argument falls apart right there.


My gut feeling is that Osama et al (or whichever terrorists engineered the whole plan), didn't expect the buildings to come down. That they did, was a icing on their terrorist cake.

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How were the buildings prepped with nobody noticing? Truthers never address that question. And why fly planes into them? Why not just blow up the buildings and blame terrorists? Truther "theories" are ridiculous, in the true sense of the word.

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is 'inside job' referring to from 'inside the trade towers'? The insurance claims on the buildings must have been in the millions of millions. 9-11 could have been an 'insurance scam' also.

Would an 'insurance scam' be considered 'an inside job'?

'unknown workers are seen in certain stairways', etc...
'non uniformed 'electricians' were seen on some floors', etc...


Who were these 'non uniformed', non 'badged' persons working with/for?

2 airplanes take off from the same airport. 2 different airlines. Same take off airport, same destination landing. Within a space of time near to one another with the buildings already have been visited by these 'non uniformed' persons doing some kind of 'work' on certain things within the upper floors.

There must have been some kind of previous communications between 'non uniformed' workers and 'hijackers', bosses, etc...

The Christina Grimmie 'murder' is similar. The hotel/venue where she was going to perform had a change of Management personnel a few days prior.. Certain 'changes' were made to the venue and workers before her appearance date... etc..Strange limos with strange visitors arriving before the management team got changed... Someone posted about this in this forum, i think.

Sounds premeditated, doesn't it?


The 9-11 would have been premeditated from outside and the Christina Grimmie could have been premeditated from inside ???

Either way, there was premeditation involved.

Another question about 9-11. How and why were there so many different photographers around with sophisticated cameras to have taken all those professional pictures and even 'video'?

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Tuesday, between the hours of 8:46 and 10:28 with American Airlines Flight 11 from Logan International Airport in Boston to Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles.

United Airlines 175 from Logan International Airport, in Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles International Airport, in Los Angeles, California.


The driving distance from Arlington, Virginia to Washington, District of Columbia is:

3 miles / 5 km



American Airlines Flight 77 was a scheduled American Airlines domestic transcontinental passenger flight from Washington Dulles International Airport in Dulles, Virginia, to Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles, California


American Airlines Flight 77 was a scheduled American Airlines domestic transcontinental passenger flight from Washington Dulles International Airport in Dulles, Virginia,

Washington Dulles International Airport (/ˈdʌlɪs/ DUL-iss) (IATA: IAD, ICAO: KIAD, FAA LID: IAD) is an international airport in the eastern United States, located in Loudoun and Fairfax counties in Virginia, 26 miles (42 km) west of downtown Washington, D.C

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77


Not premeditated?

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crazyme said:

Tuesday, between the hours of 8:46 and 10:28 with American Airlines Flight 11 from Logan International Airport in Boston to Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles.

United Airlines 175 from Logan International Airport, in Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles International Airport, in Los Angeles, California.


The driving distance from Arlington, Virginia to Washington, District of Columbia is:

3 miles / 5 km



American Airlines Flight 77 was a scheduled American Airlines domestic transcontinental passenger flight from Washington Dulles International Airport in Dulles, Virginia, to Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles, California


American Airlines Flight 77 was a scheduled American Airlines domestic transcontinental passenger flight from Washington Dulles International Airport in Dulles, Virginia,

Washington Dulles International Airport (/ˈdʌlɪs/ DUL-iss) (IATA: IAD, ICAO: KIAD, FAA LID: IAD) is an international airport in the eastern United States, located in Loudoun and Fairfax counties in Virginia, 26 miles (42 km) west of downtown Washington, D.C

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77


Not premeditated?

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The 911 attacks were premeditated.

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mike2810 said:

Gage and Jones does more than what you present. AE911T has refuted Prager's nuke theory. Prager has tried to refute the thermite theory. It is interesting to read the different papers/books to see how each use the "data" to support their respective conclusions. Makes one wonder how one group can say the analysis show no nuclear event occurred while the other says it does support a nuclear event. One group says nanothermite was found the other says no it was not (Prager). Seems someone or both are not correct.

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You speaking for Gage has made my day Mike. :lamo

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ChrisABrown said:

We have a giant CON going on. Confounding is the root of that. Evaluation of the visual and audio indicate something not possible with a steel framed core. This is beyond the issue of placement and distribution of explosives.

If you know what it takes to cut steel with HE, then the above will be meaningful. No one even approaches those issues and the knowledgable public rejects everything that does not address them. When absurdities like "nano thermite" are presented, all credibility disappears.

Thermite is indeed the only way for the masses of molten steel, and that should be enough on its own. But the nonsense notion of "nano" was developed to compromise the fact of thermite.

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I agree with your comment about "nano", but it is possible that it's true. And I do think thermite in one form or another was employed at WTC.

However, your statement that thermite "is the only way" to explain 3 months of molten steel is not an accurate statement. The proper use of specially designed nuclear devices would also render boiling iron. And it would explain the strangely burned vehicles observed. And it might explain the lateral displacement of massive structural steel pieces. And it would explain the forbidden photos taken by Kurt Sonnenfeld as he worked for FEMA. It would also explain the hotspots. It would explain the high incidence of radiation sickness developing there. It would explain why Matt Tartaglia's teeth fell out after he worked in those hot spots, and his subsequent death. It would explain all those unusual circumstances seen there that day.

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OscarLevant said:

I have a hard time believing that our government could enlist some muslim radicals (the pilots ) to kill themselves, not in the name of Allah, but in the name of furthering objectives of the CIA ( to blame it all on Osama etc while killing thousands of Americans ), or some such incredulous nonsense.

For me, the "inside" argument falls apart right there.


My gut feeling is that Osama et al (or whichever terrorists engineered the whole plan), didn't expect the buildings to come down. That they did, was a icing on their terrorist cake.

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The more informed one becomes about the details of the official conspiracy theory, the more it falls apart.

The government has been recruiting muslims for decades. Revisit part of Charlie Wilson's War--much of it is true. We have muslims working for us all over the countries there we have invaded.

More importantly to this thread, the aircraft that struck the towers were NOT the airplanes they were supposed to be, AA11 and UA175. They were drones flown by remote control with no humans onboard.

Knowledge can be most useful in analytical thinking. In reality, the US government was hijacked by Israeli interests decades ago.

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Maccabee said:

I decided to start a thread to ask for evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. A little background on me, I used to believe 9/11 was an inside job. what convinced me was things like the buildings supposedly falling at free fall speeds, the flash just as the plane hit the towers, Building 7's collapse, etc. I believed because frankly I didn't challenged the evidence presented to me. it wasn't until I decided to challenge and try to debunk my beliefs that i realized how wrong i was. At least so I believe. I'm more than willing to return to believing that 9/11 was an inside job if presented with irrefutable evidence. I'll start off with the claim that the towers feel at free fall speeds. If you watch a video filming the event (I'll come back with an example later), the debris from the tower is actually falling faster than the tower itself. Thus supposedly disproving the free fall claim. Any counter to this?

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What are your engineering qualifications?

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Thoreau72 said:

You speaking for Gage has made my day Mike. :lamo

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Glad to do it.
Yet, like most things you miss the context. :mrgreen:

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Thoreau72 said:

I agree with your comment about "nano", but it is possible that it's true. And I do think thermite in one form or another was employed at WTC.

However, your statement that thermite "is the only way" to explain 3 months of molten steel is not an accurate statement. The proper use of specially designed nuclear devices would also render boiling iron. And it would explain the strangely burned vehicles observed. And it might explain the lateral displacement of massive structural steel pieces. And it would explain the forbidden photos taken by Kurt Sonnenfeld as he worked for FEMA. It would also explain the hotspots. It would explain the high incidence of radiation sickness developing there. It would explain why Matt Tartaglia's teeth fell out after he worked in those hot spots, and his subsequent death. It would explain all those unusual circumstances seen there that day.

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Any use of nuclear devices produces radiation. Cobalt 60 always penetrates the dense steel and has high residual presence. Frank Greening tested numerous pieces of steel from GZ and found none. I haven't looked for this info on a site about him and his work but here is a link.

WTC (demolition)

Dr. Larsen had worked with him on the nuclear issue and had specifically eliminated nukes as a cause.

Vaporized thermite particles at nano millimeter sizes were found, which led to the nonsense "nano thermite" notion by jones and gage. Those same particles mixed with molten steel and concrete particles continued to ignite and burn for months.

There was enough radioactive elements in the building to cause exposure issues to personel working at GZ. Nukes cannot be delayed, and this video shows many of them.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/listen_to_the_demo_waves.mp4

The type of sound produced also indicates very well contained detonations, which completely belies a steel framed structure, because cutting charges are difficult enough to install to be prohibitive, let alone adding enough tamping to muffle them.

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Thoreau72 said:

More importantly to this thread, the aircraft that struck the towers were NOT the airplanes they were supposed to be, AA11 and UA175. They were drones flown by remote control with no humans onboard.

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If that is true, why did the perps create a backwards impact/fall sequence?

Where the first tower hit, hit hardest, burnt worst, fell last.

Remotes would have given them options to make it all logically sequenced.

But none of those issues are as blatant as the fact that the WTC commission says this was the core.



But this is seen as the core of WTC2 on 9/11.

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ChrisABrown said:

Any use of nuclear devices produces radiation. Cobalt 60 always penetrates the dense steel and has high residual presence. Frank Greening tested numerous pieces of steel from GZ and found none. I haven't looked for this info on a site about him and his work but here is a link.

WTC (demolition)

Dr. Larsen had worked with him on the nuclear issue and had specifically eliminated nukes as a cause.

Vaporized thermite particles at nano millimeter sizes were found, which led to the nonsense "nano thermite" notion by jones and gage. Those same particles mixed with molten steel and concrete particles continued to ignite and burn for months.

There was enough radioactive elements in the building to cause exposure issues to personel working at GZ. Nukes cannot be delayed, and this video shows many of them.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/listen_to_the_demo_waves.mp4

The type of sound produced also indicates very well contained detonations, which completely belies a steel framed structure, because cutting charges are difficult enough to install to be prohibitive, let alone adding enough tamping to muffle them.

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Nonsense.

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zyzygy said:

Nonsense.

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The proof sez otherwise. Like you are posting unsupported nonsense. Basically supporting secret methods of mass murder and treason. Re-evaluate your position.

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zyzygy said:

What is the point of this thread?

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Originally to try to convince a former 9/11 conspiracy theorist (myself) to return to the faith. So far, I haven't seen anything that can't be explained by normal means or down right proven false.

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Rich2018 said:

What are your engineering qualifications?

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I played with legos and building blocks as a kid.

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Maccabee said:

Originally to try to convince a former 9/11 conspiracy theorist (myself) to return to the faith. So far, I haven't seen anything that can't be explained by normal means or down right proven false.

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Thank you.

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ChrisABrown said:

Any use of nuclear devices produces radiation. Cobalt 60 always penetrates the dense steel and has high residual presence. Frank Greening tested numerous pieces of steel from GZ and found none. I haven't looked for this info on a site about him and his work but here is a link.

WTC (demolition)

Dr. Larsen had worked with him on the nuclear issue and had specifically eliminated nukes as a cause.

Vaporized thermite particles at nano millimeter sizes were found, which led to the nonsense "nano thermite" notion by jones and gage. Those same particles mixed with molten steel and concrete particles continued to ignite and burn for months.

There was enough radioactive elements in the building to cause exposure issues to personel working at GZ. Nukes cannot be delayed, and this video shows many of them.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/listen_to_the_demo_waves.mp4

The type of sound produced also indicates very well contained detonations, which completely belies a steel framed structure, because cutting charges are difficult enough to install to be prohibitive, let alone adding enough tamping to muffle them.

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There was radiation. Many first responders there are afflicted with diseases like the diseases found in Hiroshima and Chernobyl. Matt Tartaglia talked about nuclear decontamination protocols, and months later his teeth began falling out. Eventually he died.

The strangely damaged vehicles are results of radiation.

USGS seems to be the only federal agency NOT involved in cover-up, and it found Strontium, Barium, Thorium, Cerium and other elements that are characteristically the fission products of Uranium. The presence of these elements in mathematically related quantities can be explained only by fission.

A 2 man USGS crew collected samples at 35 locations within a 1KM radius on September 17 and 18, after it had rained on September 14. Among other things, they found Thorium samples on girders at 6 times the lowest levels found in their samples.

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ChrisABrown said:

If that is true, why did the perps create a backwards impact/fall sequence?

Where the first tower hit, hit hardest, burnt worst, fell last.

Remotes would have given them options to make it all logically sequenced.

But none of those issues are as blatant as the fact that the WTC commission says this was the core.

But this is seen as the core of WTC2 on 9/11.

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Even bad guys make mistakes. Yes, I too found it odd that the first one struck by the supposedly fatal aircraft strike was the last one to fall. Was it simply an honest mistake pushing the wrong button, or was there some tactical or strategic advantage? I certainly don't know, but the aircraft were not the airliners claimed in the story.