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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by SanderO View Post
    911 attacks were a conspiracy. Among the conspirators were the men who hijacked the 4 planes that morning. Like likely had support... financial and tactical. How crazy is it that many 911 truthers believe there were no hijackers... some believe the passengers and crews were fake, that the planes that struck the towers were not the commercial flights we were told they were... and some even claim the planes were holograms, or decoys to cover up the actual CD which ranges from mini nukes, to all sorts of "thermites" which cut the steel in locations not specified. Whatever happened was clearly the work of multiple people conspiring.

    Some of the claims are very hard to swallow such as the military was told to stand down and do nothing. There is no evidence of such commands. And further it should be noted that there was no policy to intercept and shoot down commercial flights. Hijackings were usually dealt with by negotiations of demands etc. We still have no policy of intercept and shoot down. Post 911 the policy has been beefed up airport security and no weapons on board and sky marshals.

    And if 7wtc was a target... why did't they hit that one with another plane?

    The reality is that the hijackers had no idea of the outcome of their hijackings... whether they would hit their chosen targets and that if they did those buildings would collapse.

    What is more interesting is why so many seemingly intelligent people fall for the nonsense of the 911 truth movement which denies engineering and physics and the reality of what actually happened? Why when there are perfectly rational technical explanations do truthers bury their heads in the sand or act willfully ignorant? I suspect their beliefs are rooted in a deep-seated distrust and hatred for the US gov and the media both of which ALWAYS lie about everything and are covering up an agenda of world domination, constant militarism and so forth. They can't conceive or simply deny that there would naturally be consequences to US policy which has been termed "blow back". Why wouldn't oppressed people fight back against their perceived oppressors... something that has gone on all throughout history? Islamic terrorism makes no sense to 911 truthers. This thinking is very hard to understand and accept as rational. There is a total absence of critical thinking and lots of willful ignorance in play.
    All of what you have posted has been covered before. People are not going to change their views after so many years. The typical response today is "You deny evidence". T72 should look in the mirror when he posts that. Most will never provide links because they know it will not stand up to review and analysis. Let them post their whatever they want to believe. The facts will not change their minds.
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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by SanderO View Post
    911 attacks were a conspiracy. Among the conspirators were the men who hijacked the 4 planes that morning. Like likely had support... financial and tactical. How crazy is it that many 911 truthers believe there were no hijackers... some believe the passengers and crews were fake, that the planes that struck the towers were not the commercial flights we were told they were... and some even claim the planes were holograms, or decoys to cover up the actual CD which ranges from mini nukes, to all sorts of "thermites" which cut the steel in locations not specified. Whatever happened was clearly the work of multiple people conspiring.

    Some of the claims are very hard to swallow such as the military was told to stand down and do nothing. There is no evidence of such commands. And further it should be noted that there was no policy to intercept and shoot down commercial flights. Hijackings were usually dealt with by negotiations of demands etc. We still have no policy of intercept and shoot down. Post 911 the policy has been beefed up airport security and no weapons on board and sky marshals.

    And if 7wtc was a target... why did't they hit that one with another plane?

    The reality is that the hijackers had no idea of the outcome of their hijackings... whether they would hit their chosen targets and that if they did those buildings would collapse.

    What is more interesting is why so many seemingly intelligent people fall for the nonsense of the 911 truth movement which denies engineering and physics and the reality of what actually happened? Why when there are perfectly rational technical explanations do truthers bury their heads in the sand or act willfully ignorant? I suspect their beliefs are rooted in a deep-seated distrust and hatred for the US gov and the media both of which ALWAYS lie about everything and are covering up an agenda of world domination, constant militarism and so forth. They can't conceive or simply deny that there would naturally be consequences to US policy which has been termed "blow back". Why wouldn't oppressed people fight back against their perceived oppressors... something that has gone on all throughout history? Islamic terrorism makes no sense to 911 truthers. This thinking is very hard to understand and accept as rational. There is a total absence of critical thinking and lots of willful ignorance in play.
    You can't prove that 4 airplanes were hijacked Geoffrey. How can the rest of your post even be considered? Indeed, you are one of those people you criticize--a person still believing an absurd and impossible story 17 years after it was told.

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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    You can't prove that 4 airplanes were hijacked Geoffrey. How can the rest of your post even be considered? Indeed, you are one of those people you criticize--a person still believing an absurd and impossible story 17 years after it was told.

    Happy Holidays.
    You can't prove it was an inside job using mini neutron bombs and nanothermite either.
    Heck, you can't disprove they were not hijacked. You can't prove it was some other type of aircraft.

    I know you believe the radar was faked, etc, etc, etc.

    Happy New Year.

    ps. Still waiting for the one concise controlled demolition explanation.
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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    You can't prove it was an inside job using mini neutron bombs and nanothermite either.
    Heck, you can't disprove they were not hijacked. You can't prove it was some other type of aircraft.

    I know you believe the radar was faked, etc, etc, etc.

    Happy New Year.

    ps. Still waiting for the one concise controlled demolition explanation.
    The term sir is "spoofed". The radar was spoofed that day, and the result is that erroneous information is displayed. Fake targets, if you will. That's how the FAA trains radar controllers.

    If yours and Geoffrey's story says 4 airplanes were hijacked, it is incumbent on you to prove your claim. In a rational world....

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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    You can't prove it was an inside job using mini neutron bombs and nanothermite either.
    Heck, you can't disprove they were not hijacked. You can't prove it was some other type of aircraft.

    I know you believe the radar was faked, etc, etc, etc.

    Happy New Year.

    ps. Still waiting for the one concise controlled demolition explanation.
    Join the club. I've been waiting for years for a truther to present that.
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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    The term sir is "spoofed". The radar was spoofed that day, and the result is that erroneous information is displayed. Fake targets, if you will. That's how the FAA trains radar controllers.

    If yours and Geoffrey's story says 4 airplanes were hijacked, it is incumbent on you to prove your claim. In a rational world....
    Here is a scenario for you T. Someone has never read the official report on 9/11. They happen to read one of the alternative explanations for 9/11. Shouldn't the alternative explanation prove they are correct? As I have stated many times each explanation should stand on its own merits.

    I know you will keep saying the official report cannot be proven. Unfortunate for you the facts don't support your diverse combined explanations.

    You are correct, I should of used spoofed rather than faked. That would have been more technically correct. It is interesting how you and others continue to say well the official report is not proven as proof your position is correct. That is really a poor defense of what you believe.
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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    There are no proofs... There is nothing to prove. What we out here (me) have all sorts of "observations" from which data can be derived. You can model what happened using the observations and understanding of engineering, the architectural and engineering plans of the buildings, materials science, fire science and of course physics. You cannot PROVE the model is true nor can you prove it false unless the observations and derived data and engineering and science are incorrect.

    As far as planes being hijacked... there appears to be so much corroborating "evidence"... it's hard to imagine that the plane's did not exist, or they used stand ins, and the radar data was fiddled with and so on.

    That being said. It's impossible to have an intelligent discussion with ANYONE about what happened on 9/11 if you can't agree upon and accept the basic facts and observations. You can claim everything was staged like a TV show... special effects and all. But everyone knows that TV shows and movies are an illusion... one that we CHOOSE to BELIEVE. But you can't prove it true of false. It's a show... We are told that and accept it.

    I have never read a coherent reasonably compete 911 truther account which explains/accounts for ALL the observations and gets the engineering and science right. Mostly they don't believe their own eyes... and don't believe nor trust the USG or and Media organization... except when it serves their needs.
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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Here is a scenario for you T. Someone has never read the official report on 9/11. They happen to read one of the alternative explanations for 9/11. Shouldn't the alternative explanation prove they are correct? As I have stated many times each explanation should stand on its own merits.

    I know you will keep saying the official report cannot be proven. Unfortunate for you the facts don't support your diverse combined explanations.

    You are correct, I should of used spoofed rather than faked. That would have been more technically correct. It is interesting how you and others continue to say well the official report is not proven as proof your position is correct. That is really a poor defense of what you believe.
    Hypotheticals can be very useful in a rational discussion, for sure. However, beyond a certain point and in many cases hypotheticals can be useless and distracting.

    It's not that I believe the official narrative is wrong, it is certain that the official narrative is wrong. My personal knowledge of various elements like cell phones and aviation is helpful in understanding the many failures of the official narrative, and I understand that others might not have that knowledge. I know that others have the same knowledge I do, and I know that some of us seem to possess a bit more common sense than others.

    Neither you nor the government can prove the official narrative, and that is part of the reason why the Commission noted 60+ times that "we found no evidence" for various elements of that narrative.

    That statement by the Commission means nothing to you, but that's just you. Denial of facts such as the molten iron and absence of consistent aircraft debris is about all a person can do in dealing with cognitive dissonance. Rather than a rational discussion, just go ahead and deny certain inconvenient facts. That is the modus operandi of the dissonant.

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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Hypotheticals can be very useful in a rational discussion, for sure. However, beyond a certain point and in many cases hypotheticals can be useless and distracting.

    It's not that I believe the official narrative is wrong, it is certain that the official narrative is wrong. My personal knowledge of various elements like cell phones and aviation is helpful in understanding the many failures of the official narrative, and I understand that others might not have that knowledge. I know that others have the same knowledge I do, and I know that some of us seem to possess a bit more common sense than others.

    Neither you nor the government can prove the official narrative, and that is part of the reason why the Commission noted 60+ times that "we found no evidence" for various elements of that narrative.

    That statement by the Commission means nothing to you, but that's just you. Denial of facts such as the molten iron and absence of consistent aircraft debris is about all a person can do in dealing with cognitive dissonance. Rather than a rational discussion, just go ahead and deny certain inconvenient facts. That is the modus operandi of the dissonant.
    You have no knowledge of aviation just made up fantasies about being a pilot

    Still waiting for our resident "flight instructor" to explain why ground effect makes it hard to fly a plane at high speed near the ground.
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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Hypotheticals can be very useful in a rational discussion, for sure. However, beyond a certain point and in many cases hypotheticals can be useless and distracting.

    It's not that I believe the official narrative is wrong, it is certain that the official narrative is wrong. My personal knowledge of various elements like cell phones and aviation is helpful in understanding the many failures of the official narrative, and I understand that others might not have that knowledge. I know that others have the same knowledge I do, and I know that some of us seem to possess a bit more common sense than others.

    Neither you nor the government can prove the official narrative, and that is part of the reason why the Commission noted 60+ times that "we found no evidence" for various elements of that narrative.

    That statement by the Commission means nothing to you, but that's just you. Denial of facts such as the molten iron and absence of consistent aircraft debris is about all a person can do in dealing with cognitive dissonance. Rather than a rational discussion, just go ahead and deny certain inconvenient facts. That is the modus operandi of the dissonant.
    It is so interesting how you refuse to acknowledge that any explanation should stand on its own merits. I have asked many times over the years for you to provide information. You refuse. My experience in fire, aviation, knowledge of first responders methodology, accident investigation and working with law enforcement provided me an insight to investigation reports that some do not have. It is interesting on how some can bet fooled by those who pander to those who see a conspiracy in every major event.


    Thought maybe you would provide a information and be willing to discuss your explanation in detail. I was wrong.
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