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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

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    You always let other people do your thinking for you Mike. I'm not that way. Merry Christmas.
    Merry Christmas to you also.

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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

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    Merry Christmas to you also.

    You keep stating things about me and yourself. Too bad for you that just posting does not make it true.
    Maybe Santa will bring him some evidence. The season's greetings!
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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

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    Maybe Santa will bring him some evidence. The season's greetings!
    Even for a guy who can visit every child around the globe in one night delivering presents that is just too farfetched.
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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Your cognitive dissonance is typical, and I should have known better than to engage with you.
    If you have evidence of melted steel, I presume it is either video, stills or eye witness statements... or a combination of these. I am more that prepared to examine and comment on what you consider evidence of melted iron or steel. I believe there was melted and solidified aluminum.

    My understanding of what happened at the WTC on 9/11 is informed by visual evidence, engineering and science... and to a minor degree statements of witnesses. Virtually all of the witnesses had no background in engineering or physics. Of course we can all be a witness to something. However we can't all understand what we are seeing.

    I use the example of clouds. We all see them, children see them. How many people understand them in more than the most superficial way? Very very few because one has to study meteorology and fluid dynamics to understand what clouds are, how they are formed and what they tell us about the present and future weather.

    99.99% of people have never seen first hand a building collapse. Many have seen videos of building CDs. So their default is to state that a collapsing building looks like a CD. And it does! But looking like is not IS. Collapses resemble one another because they are driven by gravity. For something to topple over there needs to be a large lateral force. Eye and ear witnesses at the trade center who are not trained engineers or physicists are largely unreliable and clueless. And that include people like Dan Rather.

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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by SanderO View Post
    If you have evidence of melted steel, I presume it is either video, stills or eye witness statements... or a combination of these. I am more that prepared to examine and comment on what you consider evidence of melted iron or steel. I believe there was melted and solidified aluminum.

    My understanding of what happened at the WTC on 9/11 is informed by visual evidence, engineering and science... and to a minor degree statements of witnesses. Virtually all of the witnesses had no background in engineering or physics. Of course we can all be a witness to something. However we can't all understand what we are seeing.

    I use the example of clouds. We all see them, children see them. How many people understand them in more than the most superficial way? Very very few because one has to study meteorology and fluid dynamics to understand what clouds are, how they are formed and what they tell us about the present and future weather.

    99.99% of people have never seen first hand a building collapse. Many have seen videos of building CDs. So their default is to state that a collapsing building looks like a CD. And it does! But looking like is not IS. Collapses resemble one another because they are driven by gravity. For something to topple over there needs to be a large lateral force. Eye and ear witnesses at the trade center who are not trained engineers or physicists are largely unreliable and clueless. And that include people like Dan Rather.

    You have evidence... present it.
    It's been presented, by way more than just me. You deny evidence SanderO, as you have always done.

    The evidence gathered and presented by the Lawyer's Committee for 911 Truth was apparently enough to persuade USA Berman to present it to a Grand Jury, but it's not enough to persuade a person in denial of facts.

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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    It's been presented, by way more than just me. You deny evidence SanderO, as you have always done.

    The evidence gathered and presented by the Lawyer's Committee for 911 Truth was apparently enough to persuade USA Berman to present it to a Grand Jury, but it's not enough to persuade a person in denial of facts.
    The 'inside job' theory is propped up by an assortment of select facts which can be arranged to look like they support the inside theory. However, it is the inability of the conspiracy theory to accommodate all the facts that makes it extremely unlikely to be true, almost to the point of ridiculousness.

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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    It's been presented, by way more than just me. You deny evidence SanderO, as you have always done.

    The evidence gathered and presented by the Lawyer's Committee for 911 Truth was apparently enough to persuade USA Berman to present it to a Grand Jury, but it's not enough to persuade a person in denial of facts.
    No problem... simply cite the evidence of melted steel... don't tell me who did it. They presumably have photos or videos or testimony or reports you can link to.

    You refer to a group with an agenda.

    The explanation of what happened to those buildings resides in the engineering, physics and evidence or what forces were involved to dismantle / weaken the structure to the point it could not self support. This evidence has no motive... it's mechanics and physics.

    Cite the evidence please.
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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    It's been presented, by way more than just me. You deny evidence SanderO, as you have always done.

    The evidence gathered and presented by the Lawyer's Committee for 911 Truth was apparently enough to persuade USA Berman to present it to a Grand Jury, but it's not enough to persuade a person in denial of facts.
    A grand jury is not competent to understand engineering and physics. The investigation of the Shuttle Challenger disaster was not done by a grand jury nor would they produce a technical report. Grand Juries are impaneled to investigate matters of violations of civil and criminal law.

    Before you go to intent as a legal matter.... you need to establish WHAT ACTUALLY happened? Asserting that there was melted steel is factually untrue. '

    I suppose you believe this because it suggests the placement of devices which generate enormous heat which could melt steel. I get that.

    Where is the evidence of melted steel.
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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    The 'inside job' theory is propped up by an assortment of select facts which can be arranged to look like they support the inside theory. However, it is the inability of the conspiracy theory to accommodate all the facts that makes it extremely unlikely to be true, almost to the point of ridiculousness.
    Are you talking about the Official Conspiracy Theory as treated by the 911 Commission, or some other theory?

    The facts which support the "inside job" angle are numerous. Far too numerous for mainstream media to discuss.

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    Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Are you talking about the Official Conspiracy Theory as treated by the 911 Commission, or some other theory?

    The facts which support the "inside job" angle are numerous. Far too numerous for mainstream media to discuss.
    911 attacks were a conspiracy. Among the conspirators were the men who hijacked the 4 planes that morning. Like likely had support... financial and tactical. How crazy is it that many 911 truthers believe there were no hijackers... some believe the passengers and crews were fake, that the planes that struck the towers were not the commercial flights we were told they were... and some even claim the planes were holograms, or decoys to cover up the actual CD which ranges from mini nukes, to all sorts of "thermites" which cut the steel in locations not specified. Whatever happened was clearly the work of multiple people conspiring.

    Some of the claims are very hard to swallow such as the military was told to stand down and do nothing. There is no evidence of such commands. And further it should be noted that there was no policy to intercept and shoot down commercial flights. Hijackings were usually dealt with by negotiations of demands etc. We still have no policy of intercept and shoot down. Post 911 the policy has been beefed up airport security and no weapons on board and sky marshals.

    And if 7wtc was a target... why did't they hit that one with another plane?

    The reality is that the hijackers had no idea of the outcome of their hijackings... whether they would hit their chosen targets and that if they did those buildings would collapse.

    What is more interesting is why so many seemingly intelligent people fall for the nonsense of the 911 truth movement which denies engineering and physics and the reality of what actually happened? Why when there are perfectly rational technical explanations do truthers bury their heads in the sand or act willfully ignorant? I suspect their beliefs are rooted in a deep-seated distrust and hatred for the US gov and the media both of which ALWAYS lie about everything and are covering up an agenda of world domination, constant militarism and so forth. They can't conceive or simply deny that there would naturally be consequences to US policy which has been termed "blow back". Why wouldn't oppressed people fight back against their perceived oppressors... something that has gone on all throughout history? Islamic terrorism makes no sense to 911 truthers. This thinking is very hard to understand and accept as rational. There is a total absence of critical thinking and lots of willful ignorance in play.
    Nothing is as it appears.

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