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Conspiracy theories are the Conspiracy

Endofdays said:
And once again, you did not cite anything specific that made my post 'vague.' If you can't cite the specifics then you're obviously spewing baseless nonsense at me. Harassment.

Who ordered them? I do not have to know WHO specifically ordered them....
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Endofdays said:
I guess no one made the connections I have presented in this thread. The government silences, humiliates, discredits, harasses, intimidates, murders, people that know. Others watch on and get intimidated, brainwashed. They know it's not what they are supposed to believe (desire for social acceptance, conformity). The media has introduced the theory, but the media argues Osama Bin Laden did it. People believe there is a Free Press, but there's not, and they haven't discovered that yet. People are reluctant to believe it because they do not find the idea of the government killing its own people to be rewarding for them. The courts are not 'independent' and are under control of the executive branch.

Notice all I'm doing is arguing the same theory that's been argued over and over again. Yet I do not have one person coming to my defense in this thread, which is on a conspiracy theory forum. That's because my evidence, logic, and argument are actually valid, and aren't over-reached and difficult to verify like the idea that one could discern all these little explosions going down the side of the towers on 9/11 suggesting 'controlled demolition.' People buy this lunacy because the government says its okay, because it doesn't seem credible to layman. But merely pointing out: "how convenient that thanks to 9/11 Bush Jr. got to finish what daddy started" has the power to move mountains, and they don't like that. Hence no one coming to my aid in this thread (they've performed some seizure to cause that).

And once again, you did not cite anything specific that made my post 'vague.' If you can't cite the specifics then you're obviously spewing baseless nonsense at me. Harassment.

Who ordered them? I do not have to know WHO specifically ordered them. As long as they can be traced to the government, then one can sue. When suit is brought under the FTCA the United State of America is the defendant, regardless of who and whichever agency violated the person's rights.

I'll tell you, right now, I have presented a preponderance of evidence that could get wrongful death claims for a ton of people under the FTCA and I have not even scraped the surface of the evidence I have. Hell, the gov could be sued for negligence for the FBI's wrongful omission for not stopping Moussaui. When law enforcement is the perpetrator, and acts knowingly, the FTCA still applies, even though it is typically for negligence offenses. In this case, I can prove law enforcement induced Holmes (see Casper) and other shooters. Travis Reinking accused law enforcement of stalking him, and later went postal.

Back to who ordered it. It could have been Bush Sr., the Clintons, and other high level, big name establishment politicians, as well as the bureacratic 'wigs' in the military, CIA, FBI, that specifically ordered the attacks (shadow government). Cathy O'brien said Bush Sr. was the closest she had seen to a Monarch type politician, and observed him giving out commands, and getting major deference paid to him by many high level politicians.

Note that Bush and Bush Jr, Jeb Bush, etc, are often joked about as forming a dynasty.

Most likely though, it was a group decision. One really can't say who did it, but my guess is that at least one of those parties would have known.
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So, this whole Trump thing is just a charade? Because, if our government is being controlled by shadowy forces - they wouldn't just relinquish control on election night... I guess everyone can calm down now.

Let's try another question: WHY were the 9/11 attacks committed on the date September 11th?
 
Endofdays said:
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The only people arguing nonsense are you lunatics. See the quote below from infowars:

The latest whistleblower is David Steele, a 20-year Marine Corps intelligence officer, and the second-highest-ranking civilian in the U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence. He is a former CIA clandestine services case officer, and this is what he had to say:

“Most terrorists are false flag terrorists, or are created by our own security services. In the United States, every single terrorist incident we have had has been a false flag, or has been an informant pushed on by the FBI. In fact, we now have citizens taking out restraining orders against FBI informants that are trying to incite terrorism. We’ve become a lunatic asylum.”

https://www.infowars.com/us-intelli...rrorist-attack-in-us-was-a-false-flag-attack/

I have effectively rendered this plausible by citing evidence of Sept. 11th as false flag and James Holmes as a false flag. I have a ton more examples of false flags I have proven. If you want more examples, read the first and last posts on my blog. See link in sig.

And sitting there 'punching' me over and over again with gaslighting tactics saying lies -- e.g., "there's no evidence to support your fairy tale fantasy; there's not evidence to support your fairy tale fantasy" -- over and over again, when I've cited tons of facts and clearly explained how they support the thesis (when you yourselves have cited no facts and only made abusive general assertions) that's stalking man. Lawriter - ORC - 2903.211 Menacing by stalking.

And I don't care if you don't live in Ohio, it's roughly the same law in any state. Two or more acts intended to inflict distress. And this is outrageous -- I have cited tons of clear and convincing factual matter supporting my allegations. You have done nothing but lie (e.g., "no evidence for fairy tale fantasy" over and over again).

Do you think the fact that I'm publicly leveling a hypothesis or accusing a PUBLIC FIGURE of a crime gives you right to sit there and harass someone over and over again. Cause it sure as hell does not!

Exercising my right to freedom of speech is protected activity. Harassing me (stalking law) while I do it violates this:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241

18 USC 241 -- Conspiracy Against Rights:

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

To stalk or harass someone would be to 'oppress' someone in the free exercise of a right (1st amendment) secured by the Constitution.

Just saying...
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Since the "gang symbol" is something which has been plastered all over TV and movies hundreds of millions of times, then no, even then your fantasy wouldn't pan out. "The Joker" is not some obscure fictional character. Even outside the US millions of people could tell you who he is.

Infowars is utter and complete garbage. Yes, the US is a lunatic asylum; nutcases who believe that "most terrorist attacks are false flags" are exhibit A in that respect.

Do you have any idea how many people have worked for the CIA or been a member of the Marine Corps over the years? Millions upon millions. Out of that, one loon has made bull**** claims. Sorry bud, that's not "evidence" either.

Except you have done nothing of the sort. You've spewed laughable bull**** and then whining about "stalking" when people dismantled your claims.

And is an insult to people who have actually been stalked. But then again, you CTers are notorious for not giving a **** about anyone else.
 
SoulFire77 said:
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You're laughing at nothing. No -- I do not have to know the identity of the perpetrator. In a civil suit if I can present evidence from which I can infer the existence of an unobserved John Doe perpetrator, the discovery process can commence and the judge can order release of information from the defendant, including the identity of the separate perpetrators. Where's your reply to the rest of my message. This is more harassment (attempting to ridicule for no apparent reason and without justification to impose a false definition of reality).

ORC 2905.11 Extortion.

(A) No person, with purpose to obtain any valuable thing or valuable benefit or to induce another to do an unlawful act, shall do any of the following:

(1) Threaten to commit any felony;

(2) Threaten to commit any offense of violence;

(3) Violate section 2903.21 or 2903.22 of the Revised Code;

(4) Utter or threaten any calumny against any person;

(5) Expose or threaten to expose any matter tending to subject any person to hatred, contempt, or ridicule, or to damage any person's personal or business repute, or to impair any person's credit.

(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of extortion, a felony of the third degree.

(C) As used in this section, "threat" includes a direct threat and a threat by innuendo.




Trying to ridicule me is using 'force' since it impairs one's reputation. Perhaps not 'extortion' but it is 'force' nonetheless and can be used to sustain the stalking claim. Keep going. The FBI is watching.
 
SoulFire77 said:
So, this whole Trump thing is just a charade? Because, if our government is being controlled by shadowy forces - they wouldn't just relinquish control on election night... I guess everyone can calm down now.

Let's try another question: WHY were the 9/11 attacks committed on the date September 11th?
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First paragraph:

You are not effectively making any point or addressing any point I made in my post. Who said anything about a Trump anything? You are misrepresenting my position and putting words in my mouth.

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To answer your question -- because 9/11 has symbolic significance!!!!! It's the number we call when there's an emergency! And that's why they scheduled it that way. Coding messages in numbers, or carrying out attacks on a significant day is part of the government's MO!!!!
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Since the "gang symbol" is something which has been plastered all over TV and movies hundreds of millions of times, then no, even then your fantasy wouldn't pan out. "The Joker" is not some obscure fictional character. Even outside the US millions of people could tell you who he is.

Infowars is utter and complete garbage. Yes, the US is a lunatic asylum; nutcases who believe that "most terrorist attacks are false flags" are exhibit A in that respect.

Do you have any idea how many people have worked for the CIA or been a member of the Marine Corps over the years? Millions upon millions. Out of that, one loon has made bull**** claims. Sorry bud, that's not "evidence" either.

Except you have done nothing of the sort. You've spewed laughable bull**** and then whining about "stalking" when people dismantled your claims.

And is an insult to people who have actually been stalked. But then again, you CTers are notorious for not giving a **** about anyone else.
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You're not dismantling any claims. None of these arguments add up or make any sense or have any validity.

See my previous statement to the guy who made the big long dramatic display with all the quotation boxes. It was AS IF he were addressing and refuting every last one of my claims, but here was absolutely no substance behind his claims. You're playing at engaging in legitimate debate here.

Tons of people work in the military means the guy is not being valid? Is he the only whistleblower? Whistleblowers tend to be the exception rather than the rule? Aren't most people bound by their oath of secrecy, or security clearance? (which is the only reason Snowden was being threatened with espionage charges).

And it's not the fact that the Joker was used, its the fact that this 'symbol' occurs over and over again in a highly specific and distinctive pattern of situations. Why is everyone that is adopting the Joker moniker engaging in crime? It's equivalent to a gang symbol.

Anyway, I'm about done wasting my breath arguing with people acting in bad faith trying to inflict distress with harassment and baseless argument, fraud, misrepresentations, and calumny.
 
Endofdays said:
You're not dismantling any claims. None of these arguments add up or make any sense or have any validity.

See my previous statement to the guy who made the big long dramatic display with all the quotation boxes. It was AS IF he were addressing and refuting every last one of my claims, but here was absolutely no substance behind his claims. You're playing at engaging in legitimate debate here.

Tons of people work in the military means the guy is not being valid? Is he the only whistleblower? Whistleblowers tend to be the exception rather than the rule? Aren't most people bound by their oath of secrecy, or security clearance? (which is the only reason Snowden was being threatened with espionage charges).

And it's not the fact that the Joker was used, its the fact that this 'symbol' occurs over and over again in a highly specific and distinctive pattern of situations. Why is everyone that is adopting the Joker moniker engaging in crime? It's equivalent to a gang symbol.

Anyway, I'm about done wasting my breath arguing with people acting in bad faith trying to inflict distress with harassment and baseless argument, fraud, misrepresentations, and calumny.
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You gave a perfect description of CT fans.
 
Endofdays said:
You're not dismantling any claims. None of these arguments add up or make any sense or have any validity.

See my previous statement to the guy who made the big long dramatic display with all the quotation boxes. It was AS IF he were addressing and refuting every last one of my claims, but here was absolutely no substance behind his claims. You're playing at engaging in legitimate debate here.

Tons of people work in the military means the guy is not being valid? Is he the only whistleblower? Whistleblowers tend to be the exception rather than the rule? Aren't most people bound by their oath of secrecy, or security clearance? (which is the only reason Snowden was being threatened with espionage charges).

And it's not the fact that the Joker was used, its the fact that this 'symbol' occurs over and over again in a highly specific and distinctive pattern of situations. Why is everyone that is adopting the Joker moniker engaging in crime? It's equivalent to a gang symbol.

Anyway, I'm about done wasting my breath arguing with people acting in bad faith trying to inflict distress with harassment and baseless argument, fraud, misrepresentations, and calumny.
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I’ve repeatedly dismantled your claims—-not that your claims ever really had a basis in reality in the first place.

Yes, none of your arguments add up; nor do your claims possess any validity. Glad to see you admit that.

Your entire argument is based on fantasies, fairy tales and outright lies.

The guy is not a whistleblower. The guy is a lunatic. If your fairy tales were real, we’d have hundreds of “whistleblowers” not handfuls here and there. Out of an immense number of people, almost no one spews the garbage you love so much. Know why? Because it’s bull****. It’s nothing more than a pile of crap wrapped in you tossing out flailing shrieks of “stalking” every time people debunk your arguments.

Snowden ran away to a regime which routinely murders journalists and dissidents. That tells you one hell of a lot about him.

Yes, crazy people identify with the Joker, who is a crazy fictional character. Again, not evidence.

Buddy, the Joker is a fictional criminal.

Yes, we get that you are distressed at how your “arguments” have been shredded. Too bad. This is not an echo chamber.
 
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Like most folks I know that there are things out there that the government doesn’t tell the people such as about the overthrow of Mohammed Mossadeq of Iran in 1953, the secret deal to remove Jupiter Missles from Turkey after the Cuban missile crisis. These are things that are either embarrassing for the government or done to preserve plausible deniability. But then there is conspiracy created by professional conspiracy theorists to completely distract the American people from things that could seriously benefit them.

Examples of harmful conspiracy theories:

1) 9/11 was an inside job.

There isn’t any proof for this at all. There are videos released by the media showing Osama Bin Laden bragging about the attacks. Bin Laden wanted to drag the US into a serious of unwinnable wars that will bankrupt the US. The US today has $21 trillion in debt on 9/11 it was less than $7 trillion. The debt since 9/11 has tripled in size. Yet the wars have produced zero tangible benefits for the US.

2) the Bilderberg Group/Trilateral Commission/the Illuminati

You would think with an ardent listener of Alex Jones in the White House in Trump. Trump can unwind the global conspiracies. But instead the supposed conspiracies have grown in size and proportion according the conspiracy under rock and behind every tree crowd among the Jones crowd.

As I said from the beginning the real conspiracy is that one that allows the growth of unchecked wealth into a smaller group of the super wealthy. The creation of a tiny kleptocratic minority ruling over a vast population of people living in desperate circumstances. The tax cuts cemented this inequality and made it even worse.

It’s no conspiracy, the ruling elite have wanted this since the time of FDR and his New Deal. They worked over decades to push the US back to the 1900s in terms of social mobility and economics. We have an extremely financially illiterate population that doesn’t understand that the real conspiracy is the one in government and economy was completely controlled by a tiny minority.
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Tigerace117 said:
I’ve repeatedly dismantled your claims—-not that your claims ever really had a basis in reality in the first place.

Yes, none of your arguments add up; nor do your claims possess any validity. Glad to see you admit that.

Your entire argument is based on fantasies, fairy tales and outright lies.

The guy is not a whistleblower. The guy is a lunatic. If your fairy tales were real, we’d have hundreds of “whistleblowers” not handfuls here and there. Out of an immense number of people, almost no one spews the garbage you love so much. Know why? Because it’s bull****. It’s nothing more than a pile of crap wrapped in you tossing out flailing shrieks of “stalking” every time people debunk your arguments.

Snowden ran away to a regime which routinely murders journalists and dissidents. That tells you one hell of a lot about him.

Yes, crazy people identify with the Joker, who is a crazy fictional character. Again, not evidence.

Buddy, the Joker is a fictional criminal.

Yes, we get that you are distressed at how your “arguments” have been shredded. Too bad. This is not an echo chamber.
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Reported for Trolling. I'm not wasting any more breath on you. You're talking outrageous nonsense trying to get a rise out of me.
 
Endofdays said:
Reported for Trolling. I'm not wasting any more breath on you. You're talking outrageous nonsense trying to get a rise out of me.
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You are the one who is talking outrageous nonsense. Pointing that out is not trolling. Just out of interest, what is your full alternative 911 theory? Be the first truther ever to present one in these forums.
 
Endofdays said:
Reported for Trolling. I'm not wasting any more breath on you. You're talking outrageous nonsense trying to get a rise out of me.
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Once again, debunking your arguments is not "trolling"; nor is it "stalking". You not being able to handle your arguments being debunked does not mean you are being "trolled". This is a debate website, not an echo chamber. Deal with it.
 
Endofdays said:
Hmm -- contrary to popular belief, conspiracy theories, as seen on infowars actually provide the account of reality that's MOST accurate.
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So there's interdimensional child molesters trying to build an infinite devil machine and put chemicals in the water to turn the frikken' frogs gay? You don't say...
 
Infowars lol.


Even in this age of free-flying conspiracy theories, this one's a doozy.

On Thursday (June 29), a guest on Alex Jones' radio show named Robert David Steele claimed that Mars is inhabited — by people sent to the Red Planet against their will.

"We actually believe that there is a colony on Mars that is populated by children who were kidnapped and sent into space on a 20-year ride, so that once they get to Mars, they have no alternative but to be slaves on the Mars colony," Steele told Jones, the founder of the controversial InfoWars website. [25 Space Conspiracies That Just Won't Die]
https://www.space.com/37366-mars-slave-colony-alex-jones.html

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/infowars-alex-jones/
 
zyzygy said:
Infowars lol.


Even in this age of free-flying conspiracy theories, this one's a doozy.

On Thursday (June 29), a guest on Alex Jones' radio show named Robert David Steele claimed that Mars is inhabited — by people sent to the Red Planet against their will.

"We actually believe that there is a colony on Mars that is populated by children who were kidnapped and sent into space on a 20-year ride, so that once they get to Mars, they have no alternative but to be slaves on the Mars colony," Steele told Jones, the founder of the controversial InfoWars website. [25 Space Conspiracies That Just Won't Die]
https://www.space.com/37366-mars-slave-colony-alex-jones.html

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/infowars-alex-jones/
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If that's what is on there and Jones is taking that seriously then yeah I guess that's bogus. But that article I cited about the government whistleblower is spot on. I don't read Jones much, but that article was useful, and all my research into the deep state confirms the claim.
 
Endofdays said:
Yeah -- usually because they're angry about something. Such as being harassed. Like Casper most obviously was... as evidence by his link to James Eagan Holmes, and the fact that he called himself the Joker
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Wait, How did you made that conclusion again?

This doesn't answer the question of what did he had that is usually restricted to military and police. Something like that would've been highlighted like the bumpstock (though not a military item) used by the Vagas shooter.

Wait, two completely different actions equals a link somehow?




For the same reason I choose to call myself Maccabee. They liked the Batman comics and attached themselves to a particular villain because they either perceive themselves as like that villain or they just simply like the character. I chose my username because I perceive myself as a small but tenacious force to be reckoned with and the word itself translates from Hebrew as "hammer" and I see myself as one who hammers out disinformation.



Because ISIS is an organized terrorist group. Naming oneself as the Joker is not associating with any group other than Batman fanboys. I'm sure there's a member here that calls himself Joker and is not connected whatsoever to any mass shootings.
See above.


No one said I needed physical evidence.
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I did. Otherwise it's little more than conjecture.

Physical evidence is not always necessary, nor always had. What authoritative source are you drawing upon?
It doesn't have to be from an authoritative source. It could be some Joe took pictures of the theater shooter meeting with government agents before the shooting. While not convincing evidence, it's certainly better than saying two people used joker as their nickname.
And once again you're ommitting key fact that raise this beyond coincidence (and both calling themselves the Joker, alongside the tie to Eagan is more distinctive than you're giving credit).
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Then please point me to a case where shared names had convicted people.

What about the fact that this guy was named Casper -- a name with clear significance (like the ghost).
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There are thousands, if not millions of Caspers in the US. Why is his name so significant?
What about the fact that he was cursing about the police?
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What about it? People curse out police for giving them a ticket. People even curse out police sitting in front of their keyboard watching police videos on Youtube.
Of course, see Holmes and his combat gear, and consider that the police and military are similar government bodies.
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You can buy half the stuff he had from an Airsoft store. The other half can be bought at gun stores and body armor dealers. As of right now I'm not a cop nor in the military and yet I was able to buy level III+ plates from AR500.

Oh and people that say they work for ISIS and that's why they do it are in no way related to one another... :roll:
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People don't go to jail simply because they said they are apart of ISIS, it takes action beyond that.


Not sure you're in a position to be speaking from authority.
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Trust me, I am.
The police arrest people merely for being the sex partner of someone who died. Mere suspicion?
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Evidence?

Oh -- maybe I'll get a DNA swab. Maybe the police that set them both off can do that for me.. :roll: What physical evidence are you talking about?
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Documentation, photos, meetups from the criminals, quotes from the criminal and/or his contacts, etc.
I provided a link to Amanda and Jerad Miller suggesting a pattern.
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Patterns mean little without hard evidence. Probably the sky was blue when both incidents occured.
I don't necessarily need to present evidence of an unobserved link to infer that it is there. I've already claimed the both parties linked to the Joker MO and the Eagan name. As stated, I have presented "evidence suggesting unity of purpose or common design" notice all that's necessary is that a conspiracy can be "inferred" we don't have to 'see' the conspiracy. And the military/police make appearances at both transaction: Holmes, and Casper.



Buddy we've already seen a whole bunch of examples in this thread. Read the first and last posts of my blog below if you want more examples.

Well there you go -- nearly every rebuttal rebuted.

Just because you make a dramatic display as if you are refuting every last statement, doesn't mean you actually are...
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BTW, what does all this have to do with 9/11?


EDIT: shortened quotes because I went over the allowed characters.
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Endofdays said:
If that's what is on there and Jones is taking that seriously then yeah I guess that's bogus. But that article I cited about the government whistleblower is spot on. I don't read Jones much, but that article was useful, and all my research into the deep state confirms the claim.
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Research done on Infowars and similar sites no doubt.
 
Fraudulent misrepsresentation of facts, conclusions, implications, inferences, or another person's position intended to gain a gain a valuable benefit by unjustly maligning the speaker's reputation or credibility, tampering with 3rd party observers or witnesses, and depriving the public of their liberty right to truthful information by fraud, is not lawful.


See laws on Fraud and False Statements:

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001


Then check out tampering law:

Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—
(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(2) cause or induce any person to—
(A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(B) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;
(C) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(D) be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process; or


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512

Then Check out Extortion law:

Lawriter - ORC - 2905.11 Extortion.

If the mis-reprepresenation maligns the speakers reputation or credibility or violates 'tampering law' extortion law would be violated, and a 'valuable benefit' received for the interested party, and that extortionist would be guilty of aiding and abetteing the perpetrator of the offense in question.

People trying to control the information on the internet by feeding false information and misrepresentations to the public deprive the public of their liberty rights (disinformation trolls working for the government).

You're not being clever. Over and above all that, you harassing me by inflicting distress with fraudulent misrepresentations, bad faith acting, and unjustified abuse and ridicule. That violates stalking law.

Defense attorneys are bound by law to respect the evidence prevented by the prosecution, and evaluate it fairly. The defense attorney can't go into court and say to a clear video of the perp carrying out his crime -- "that's not the perp! you're seeing things! you have schizophrenia! anyone who disagrees with me has schizophrenia!" (see fraud/false statements law).
 
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Endofdays said:
Fraudulent misrepsresentation of facts, conclusions, implications, inferences, or another person's position intended to gain a gain a valuable benefit by unjustly maligning the speaker's reputation or credibility, tampering with 3rd party observers or witnesses, and depriving the public of their liberty right to truthful information by fraud, is not lawful.


See laws on Fraud and False Statements:

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001


Then check out tampering law:

Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—
(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(2) cause or induce any person to—
(A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(B) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;
(C) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(D) be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process; or


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512

Then Check out Extortion law:

Lawriter - ORC - 2905.11 Extortion.

If the mis-reprepresenation maligns the speakers reputation or credibility or violates 'tampering law' extortion law would be violated, and a 'valuable benefit' received for the interested party, and that extortionist would be guilty of aiding and abetteing the perpetrator of the offense in question.

People trying to control the information on the internet by feeding false information and misrepresentations to the public deprive the public of their liberty rights (disinformation trolls working for the government).

You're not being clever. Over and above all that, you harassing me by inflicting distress with fraudulent misrepresentations, bad faith acting, and unjustified abuse and ridicule. That violates stalking law.

Defense attorneys are bound by law to respect the evidence prevented by the prosecution, and evaluate it fairly. The defense attorney can't go into court and say to a clear video of the perp carrying out his crime -- "that's not the perp! you're seeing things! you have schizophrenia! anyone who disagrees with me has schizophrenia!" (see fraud/false statements law).
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I'm still wondering what does this have to do with 9/11.
 
Maccabee said:
I'm still wondering what does this have to do with 9/11.
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It has to do with your response to someone who presented clear and convincing evidence that the government was behind 9/11. You tried to win a debate using unlawful methods of argumentation that reduced to harassing, misrepresenting, and defaming the speaker. You tried to win the debate with acts of 'violence' rather than valid methods of argument (see extortion law). You also tampered with third party witness to my evidence, my allegations, the offense itself, and attempted to dissuade or deter their own inquiry or reporting by harassing me and trying to malign my reputation with fraudulent misrepresentation and defamation by innuendo in your argumentative strategy. This was your 'disinformation' strategy intended to conceal the 9/11 conspiracy, and alter public perception, when if not for these acts of calumny the public would be more inclined to perceive the truth: that the government was behind 9/11.

See the above laws.
 
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Endofdays said:
It has to do with your response to someone who presented clear and convincing evidence that the government was behind 9/11. You tried to win a debate using unlawful methods of argumentation that reduced to harassing, misrepresenting, and defaming the speaker. You tried to win the debate with acts of 'violence' rather than valid methods of argument (see extortion law). You also tampered with third party witness to my evidence, my allegations, the offense itself, and attempted to dissuade or deter their own inquiry or reporting by harassing me and trying to malign my reputation with fraudulent misrepresentation and defamation by innuendo in your argumentative strategy. This was your 'disinformation' strategy intended to conceal the 9/11 conspiracy, and alter public perception, when if not for these acts of calumny the public would be more inclined to perceive the truth: that the government was behind 9/11.

See the above laws.
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Where did you present that? I have seen no full theory of yours.
 
zyzygy said:
Where did you present that? I have seen no full theory of yours.
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There's your misrepresentation (fraud). You are gaslighting me and also assaulting the perceptions of 3rd party observers, or witnesses, with fraud (tampering 18 U.S. Code § 1512). In order to extract a valued benefit (discrediting a witness and facilitating the flight of a terrorist). That's extortion and aiding and abetting.

I did present a highly plausible theory. Go back and review it. In addition to that one, it is quite plausible that the CIA merely contacted the rich leader of Al Quada (Bin Laden) and told him to arrange the terrorist attack. The orders were then sent to law enforcement not to obstruct them while they carried it out.

Either that, or the government, acting through the Army/CIA merely sent a snitch or double agent to recruit some terrorists into carrying out the plot.

Remember the FBI is the mastermind behind most terror plots in the nation. How do we know some of them aren't permitted to be carried out, with the lines between 'real cime' and mere 'investigation' being blurred in practice? The FBI and Law Enforcement are a predominantly criminal enterprise. They are the government goons, or criminals, hitman, that they send after people they want to silence. And usually it starts in the schools. Some argument at a PTA meeting and the principle tells the local police to arrest that person's child, or they send them down a delinquent pathway with bad grades and bogus disciplinary proceedings. Often times the delinquent started as a victim, and they were victim to an extortion job intended to malign their character. The system is corrupt.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots
 
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It has to do with your response to someone who presented clear and convincing evidence that the government was behind 9/11. You tried to win a debate using unlawful methods of argumentation that reduced to harassing, misrepresenting, and defaming the speaker. You tried to win the debate with acts of 'violence' rather than valid methods of argument (see extortion law). You also tampered with third party witness to my evidence, my allegations, the offense itself, and attempted to dissuade or deter their own inquiry or reporting by harassing me and trying to malign my reputation with fraudulent misrepresentation and defamation by innuendo in your argumentative strategy. This was your 'disinformation' strategy intended to conceal the 9/11 conspiracy, and alter public perception, when if not for these acts of calumny the public would be more inclined to perceive the truth: that the government was behind 9/11.

See the above laws.
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Where have I've done any of those?
 
DcrtrUSpatriot said:
Like most folks I know that there are things out there that the government doesn’t tell the people such as about the overthrow of Mohammed Mossadeq of Iran in 1953, the secret deal to remove Jupiter Missles from Turkey after the Cuban missile crisis. These are things that are either embarrassing for the government or done to preserve plausible deniability. But then there is conspiracy created by professional conspiracy theorists to completely distract the American people from things that could seriously benefit them.

Examples of harmful conspiracy theories:

1) 9/11 was an inside job.

There isn’t any proof for this at all. There are videos released by the media showing Osama Bin Laden bragging about the attacks. Bin Laden wanted to drag the US into a serious of unwinnable wars that will bankrupt the US. The US today has $21 trillion in debt on 9/11 it was less than $7 trillion. The debt since 9/11 has tripled in size. Yet the wars have produced zero tangible benefits for the US.

2) the Bilderberg Group/Trilateral Commission/the Illuminati

You would think with an ardent listener of Alex Jones in the White House in Trump. Trump can unwind the global conspiracies. But instead the supposed conspiracies have grown in size and proportion according the conspiracy under rock and behind every tree crowd among the Jones crowd.

As I said from the beginning the real conspiracy is that one that allows the growth of unchecked wealth into a smaller group of the super wealthy. The creation of a tiny kleptocratic minority ruling over a vast population of people living in desperate circumstances. The tax cuts cemented this inequality and made it even worse.

It’s no conspiracy, the ruling elite have wanted this since the time of FDR and his New Deal. They worked over decades to push the US back to the 1900s in terms of social mobility and economics. We have an extremely financially illiterate population that doesn’t understand that the real conspiracy is the one in government and economy was completely controlled by a tiny minority.
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I agree that conspiracy theory is the conspiracy. The Illuminati conspiracy is not only a lie, but it pumped out by Satanic priests and Islamic Imams. Consider the source in all things. We know 9-11 was done by muslims. I have seen people lose their minds over conspiracy theory which is how the flat earth conspiracy came about. The Illuminati conspiracy theory is the most dangerous one and it covers a wide spectrum of thought which intertwines into that conspiracy theory. But there is one thing consistent with that conspiracy theory: it speaks about the government as an All Knowing Deity. Its makess government officials look like gods. This is a subtle lure to intimidate believers of the conspiracy theory into first accepting a pantheist view of life. And once this pantheist view is accepted, it follows that the political view of collectivism will also be accepted. Once that is accepted the believer is transformed, slowly, into a socialist.
The entire conspiracy craze is about brainwashing the masses into socialism. The method of brainwashing is the most effective method of brainwashing known on earth, which is traced back to the serpent (Satan) in the Garden. Its dialectic materialism or otherwise known as diaprax (the dialectic process and praxis). Its occult sciences dealing with casting spells (subliminal messages) designed to plant doubts into the subconscious mind. In small doses it has little effect. In fact, anyone who took history in school or read the entire Bible will be hard to deceive. But in large doses, being an overload of diaprax into the mind of a gullible person lacking wisdom, it works like a fine hooks and effortlessly catches and destroys that person's mind, rewiring that person's mind from a once normal and loving person before transition, to a monster who is past repentance after the transition. The conspiracy can lead someone to the point where they cannot no longer repent to God. Its designed to do that. I've seen all stages of this process myself when a very close friend of mine was brainwashed into Satanism through this Illuminati conspiracy theory. I had to eventually disown him because he was destroying my life as I refuted all his lies online which angered him. He now chants death to Israel and calls himself God. That is the final outcome of a person who follows the Illuminati conspiracy theory.
 
Maccabee said:
I believed that the towers fell under a controlled demolition and that the planes that struck the towers were actually giant remote controlled drone missile. Basically I was your run of the mill 9/11 CT. I didn't buy into the space lasers and holographic planes. The thing that changed my mind was a Youtube channel called Myles Powers with his 9/11 series. I decided one day to actually listen to his counter arguments.
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And you deliberately ignored all the arguments that destroyed the conspiracy. Here's the truth: 19 muslims hijacked 4 passenger airliners. Two of them, who's routes were traced by the way, crashed into the WTC. This was witnessed by thousands of people who seen the passenger plane flying low and identified it as such. The same with the Pentagon, thousands of witnesses saw the passenger plane flying low until it crashed into the Pentagon. Cell phone were used to contact loved ones at home to informed them that they will not be seeing them ever again. This was the airliner headed for the White House. The people of that plane rushed the cockpit in their attempts to stop the plane from reaching its target. They were successful. They died for their country and now you conspiracy theorist treat them as long forgotten ghosts.

If you are a practicing Satanist you believe the 9-11 conspiracy theory and the Illuminati crap that comes with it. But no Christian is allowed to believe and entertain a lie. Here is what Scripture says about conspiracy theories:

2 Cor. 4:2,

"But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God" (KJV).

Three more translations for clarity's sake,

"Instead, we have renounced shameful secret things, not walking in deceit or distorting God’s message, but commending ourselves to every person’s conscience in God’s sight by an open display of the truth" (HCSB).

" But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God" (NKJV).

1534 Tyndale NT: "but have cast from vs the clokes of vnhonestie and walke not in craftines nether corrupte we the worde of God: but walke in open trueth and reporte oure selves to every mannes conscience in the sight of God."

Christians don't lie to gain new converts. The entire Illuminati conspiracy theory is a lie.

"But if by my lie God’s truth is amplified to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? And why not say, just as some people slanderously claim we say, “Let us do what is evil so that good may come”? Their condemnation is deserved!" (Rom.3:7-8).

No lie is accepted in the Christian faith. Only true things are acceptable. Those who have made a hobby of lying and accepting lies are not saved.
 
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