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Prove me wrong, we landed on the moon

Northern Light said:
I've never really been into this discussion one way or another, but one thing I've always wondered is how they were able to go to the moon and back with such little radiation shielding. The ISS and other space shuttles that are merely in earth orbit have 6-7 foot layers of lead to absorb cosmic radiation so that it doesn't cause health problems in the crews. The original Apollo shuttle and lander had barely anything, and they went further out than any humans to date.
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I would have to disagree with you on the 6-7 feet of lead used on these spacecraft. A lot of the ISS is made out of Aluminium and a few MM of Aluminium is enough to protect the crew from most of radiation. The ISS being in LEO is also protected due to the magnasphere. While I agree that those who ventured to the moon were exposed to far more radiation than those on the ISS.
 
Terryj said:
I would have to disagree with you on the 6-7 feet of lead used on these spacecraft. A lot of the ISS is made out of Aluminium and a few MM of Aluminium is enough to protect the crew from most of radiation. The ISS being in LEO is also protected due to the magnasphere. While I agree that those who ventured to the moon were exposed to far more radiation than those on the ISS.
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I know very little about the true specifications of space tech so my ignorance is showing. I guess lead is irrelevant.
 
If only NASA had known to leave a real copy of Obamas birth certificate on the moon in 1969.Instead Aldrin was busy lighting up a joint in weightlessness.Thats how he got the nickname Buzz Aldrin.
 
SirGareth said:
What is your NQ? (Nuttiness Quotient)

Record all your answers

1) Alan Sheppard rocketing into space was faked (true/false)

2) John Glenn going into orbit was faked (true/false)

3) Two independently launched Gemini space capsules navigated to a rendezvous in orbit and then linked up and crew members shook hands was all fake (true/false)

4) The Saturn V rockets (all 364 feet and 6.7 million pounds of them) were all fake and the people watching its multiple launches were either paid off stooges or suffering mass hysteria (true/false)

5) The Saturn V rocket never carried men into space (true/false)

6) The Apollo 8 mission (men orbited the moon ) was fake (true/false)

7) The Apollo 9 mission (Lunar landing module and command module maneuvering and docking in Earth orbit) was faked (true/false)

8) The Apollo 10 Mission (2nd moon orbit mission carrying all lunar landing hardware and fuel) was fake (true/false)

9) The Apollo 11 Lunar landing was faked (true/false)

10) the Apollo 13 near disaster mission was all faked (true/false)

Multiply all yes answers by 10 and record your score

0: you are hopelessly sane, nothing can be done for you

10 to 90: You are certainly very nutty but not yet a perfect nut; keep reading the Huffington Post

100: Congratulations your are an absolutely perfect nut; the Democrat National Committee will be contacting you for a career in Washington DC
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https://youtu.be/AOOW-E_yDMc
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I've always felt that the "Moon landing hoaxers" were swallowing Soviet agitprop.
Ham operators have tapes of intercepted mission communications, amateurs and NASA alike have been able to confirm images of hardware sitting on the moon's surface.

And for those of us in the video/film profession, who are of a certain age or older, we know what was achievable with videotape in 1969, thus we know that claims of "Hollywood special effects" are nonsense.

I'd like to think it's a simple matter of saying "this is why we can't have nice things" but I know it is partly our fault because we allowed our education to become dumbed down as well.

And yes, I still believe that the Soviets had a hand in perpetrating the notion that "WE" did not go to the Moon.
I also believe that Russia is behind the "flat Earth" nonsense, too.

Can I prove either of those? Hell no, and I'm not going to try. I just don't see any other payoff, whereas the Russians stand to gain a great deal if they can con a majority of Americans into disbelieving and denying our own history.

Who benefits? It is very easy to see who benefits.
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Sure you can, you can build a laser, and point it at some mirrors left on the moon, and record how fast it takes the laser to travel there and back. If we had never gone to the moon, how did we put mirrors up there?

We did it in Highschool, public high school in TN, so it's not the school systems fault certain folks are dumb as a bag of hammers.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Sure you can, you can build a laser, and point it at some mirrors left on the moon, and record how fast it takes the laser to travel there and back. If we had never gone to the moon, how did we put mirrors up there?

We did it in Highschool, public high school in TN, so it's not the school systems fault certain folks are dumb as a bag of hammers.
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I know about the laser targets.

I've come to the conclusion that we cannot fix Birtherism, or Flat Eartherism, or Moon Landing Skepticism.
Forty percent of the Russian population refuses to believe we landed on the Moon first, and now apparently one in five Americans don't believe it either.

Third-party evidence won't convince most of those Russians and it won't even convince most of the Moon skeptics on this side either.
No matter what you introduce, they usually will claim that the source is in on the conspiracy.
They aren't much different than the Flat Earthers, to be honest.

This is Permanent Hidebound Generational Level Weaponized Stupid on the same cultural plane of bigotry as "The Jews have horns and use the blood of little children to make matzohs" or "black people are actually not fully human and are beasts of the field", and the best we can hope for is that maybe they will fail in passing along their brand of Stupid to successive generations.

Seventy years from now, young people will still be talking about how their grandmothers or grandfathers didn't believe that we landed on the Moon in 1969, but that their great-great-grandparents did.

And they might just be talking about it on an inter-planetary flight somewhere...if we are lucky.
Otherwise they will be talking about it while sitting around a fire in an abandoned hovel somewhere in a polluted exurbian wasteland dotted with rotting out tank carcasses and wasted munitions shells while they slowly die from radioactive poisoning.

Oh, by the way, I thought you might find THIS a little bit disturbing:

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=4971.0
 
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zyzygy said:
I think that you are wrong. If the Moon landings were faked and it was so easy to spot then the Russians would have been all over it.
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Yep. Our mortal enemies could have trashed our reputation on the world stage but didn't. That is one of the most telling things to me... indicating we did land on the moon.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
They were, and still are. Forty percent of Russians believe that USA never walked on the Moon.
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So what... thirty percent of US high school students cant find the Pacific Ocean on a map...
 
Northern Light said:
I've never really been into this discussion one way or another, but one thing I've always wondered is how they were able to go to the moon and back with such little radiation shielding. The ISS and other space shuttles that are merely in earth orbit have 6-7 foot layers of lead to absorb cosmic radiation so that it doesn't cause health problems in the crews. The original Apollo shuttle and lander had barely anything, and they went further out than any humans to date.
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The space shuttle has a seven foot layer of lead around it? WTF?
 
SirGareth said:
What is your NQ? (Nuttiness Quotient)

Record all your answers

1) Alan Sheppard rocketing into space was faked (true/false)

2) John Glenn going into orbit was faked (true/false)

3) Two independently launched Gemini space capsules navigated to a rendezvous in orbit and then linked up and crew members shook hands was all fake (true/false)

4) The Saturn V rockets (all 364 feet and 6.7 million pounds of them) were all fake and the people watching its multiple launches were either paid off stooges or suffering mass hysteria (true/false)

5) The Saturn V rocket never carried men into space (true/false)

6) The Apollo 8 mission (men orbited the moon ) was fake (true/false)

7) The Apollo 9 mission (Lunar landing module and command module maneuvering and docking in Earth orbit) was faked (true/false)

8) The Apollo 10 Mission (2nd moon orbit mission carrying all lunar landing hardware and fuel) was fake (true/false)

9) The Apollo 11 Lunar landing was faked (true/false)

10) the Apollo 13 near disaster mission was all faked (true/false)

Multiply all yes answers by 10 and record your score

0: you are hopelessly sane, nothing can be done for you

10 to 90: You are certainly very nutty but not yet a perfect nut; keep reading the Huffington Post

100: Congratulations your are an absolutely perfect nut; the Democrat National Committee will be contacting you for a career in Washington DC
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I multiplied by 100 because I'm Special!
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I've always felt that the "Moon landing hoaxers" were swallowing Soviet agitprop.
Ham operators have tapes of intercepted mission communications, amateurs and NASA alike have been able to confirm images of hardware sitting on the moon's surface.

And for those of us in the video/film profession, who are of a certain age or older, we know what was achievable with videotape in 1969, thus we know that claims of "Hollywood special effects" are nonsense.

I'd like to think it's a simple matter of saying "this is why we can't have nice things" but I know it is partly our fault because we allowed our education to become dumbed down as well.

And yes, I still believe that the Soviets had a hand in perpetrating the notion that "WE" did not go to the Moon.
I also believe that Russia is behind the "flat Earth" nonsense, too.

Can I prove either of those? Hell no, and I'm not going to try. I just don't see any other payoff, whereas the Russians stand to gain a great deal if they can con a majority of Americans into disbelieving and denying our own history.

Who benefits? It is very easy to see who benefits.
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The hoaxers are IMO on the same level as flat earthers.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
:lamo

But at least they now KNOW that there IS a Pacific Ocean, do you see what I am getting at?
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Do you have the slightest understanding of teaching and learning?

Obviously not...
 
Slingshot Bob said:
The hoaxers are IMO on the same level as flat earthers.
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And why is that? I don't believe we have send men to the moon, BUT I don't believe in a flat earth and I know a lot of people
who think the same. So what you are saying is flat out wrong.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Sure you can, you can build a laser, and point it at some mirrors left on the moon, and record how fast it takes the laser to travel there and back. If we had never gone to the moon, how did we put mirrors up there?

We did it in Highschool, public high school in TN, so it's not the school systems fault certain folks are dumb as a bag of hammers.
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well, 'they'already did that in 1962! Nothing new there!
 
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We took rock samples back from our trips to the moon. A basic knowledge of geology is all that is needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that we did in fact land on the moon based upon these samples.

If a chunk of rock descends to our planet by descending through the atmosphere it will exhibit crustal fusion due to the intense heats which it undergoes. That being said, the samples we brought back from the moon did not exhibit any scarring, meaning they did not travel through the atmosphere. Finally, the rocks we brought back were remarkably anhydrous. There is no place on the planet that rocks of this composition form.

From these two bits of knowledge we know the following:
1) The astronauts that went on the manned moon missions brought back extra-terrestrial rocks.
2) The rocks they brought back never traveled through the atmosphere.

That being said, where else could they have gotten the rocks from if not the moon? And it is also worth mentioning that the geochemistry of the basalts brought back are extremely similar to lunar meteorites.
 
HenryLewis said:
We took rock samples back from our trips to the moon. A basic knowledge of geology is all that is needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that we did in fact land on the moon based upon these samples.

If a chunk of rock descends to our planet by descending through the atmosphere it will exhibit crustal fusion due to the intense heats which it undergoes. That being said, the samples we brought back from the moon did not exhibit any scarring, meaning they did not travel through the atmosphere. Finally, the rocks we brought back were remarkably anhydrous. There is no place on the planet that rocks of this composition form.

From these two bits of knowledge we know the following:
1) The astronauts that went on the manned moon missions brought back extra-terrestrial rocks.
2) The rocks they brought back never traveled through the atmosphere.

That being said, where else could they have gotten the rocks from if not the moon? And it is also worth mentioning that the geochemistry of the basalts brought back are extremely similar to lunar meteorites.
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You are obviously not well informed:

Moon rock' given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is fake

A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html
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Next!!!
 
One sample was fake. We have hundreds of samples which we have taken pictures of and which are still on display. One example of a fake moon rock is in no way evidence that all the rocks brought back were fake.

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Quit trolling.
 
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