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Prove me wrong, we landed on the moon

DasTrev

DasTrev

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To get this started I want someone to comment first so I can either debunk their argument or fail to debunk it. I don't exactly know which point to start on as there are so many. Humans landed on the moon, prove me wrong.

I will do my research and try to link all sources of my information. I suggest any opposing arguments should do so as well.
 
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Your assertion was "we landed on the moon". You and who else counts as we? I challenge your assertion that you were among the claimed moon landing party.
 
I guess I phrased that a little weird, I'll change it. What I meant was, "humans landed on the moon". No, I was not among the party haha, I wish I was, sounds like an amazing experience.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Your assertion was "we landed on the moon". You and who else counts as we? I challenge your assertion that you were among the claimed moon landing party.
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Smartass. ;)
 
DasTrev said:
To get this started I want someone to comment first so I can either debunk their argument or fail to debunk it. I don't exactly know which point to start on as there are so many. Humans landed on the moon, prove me wrong.

I will do my research and try to link all sources of my information. I suggest any opposing arguments should do so as well.
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Logically the way things work is that some evidence, reason why we would doubt the moon landing. Then we need ask 'does it make sense?"

Let's see, it's 1969, Richard Nixon is in office the cold war is at its peak; nukes loaded and ready to fly on both sides of the globe. The Soviet Union is ashamed, they are being beaten in the race they started with Sputnik and are watching closely, as are America's allies.

Now, with the whole world watching, they undertake to perpetrate the greatest hoax in all of humanity, being conducted by a government that couldn't keep its own troops supplied in a dirty little war in South East Asia, perpetrated by an administration that couldn't keep a lid on a two bit burglary, all done with the whole world and the Soviets watching with state-of-the-art equipment.

Right
 
You're saying because America cannot stay in a war (because of all of the protests against it the U.S. forces were ordered to pull out, we could've easily won the war. Don't comment on the "we" you know what I meant, I'm looking at you ttwtt!) and that the Watergate scandal occurred that we cannot fly to the moon? Those two topics aren't even related to the Apollo program. Yes it makes sense, Kennedy challenged NASA to land on the mood before 1970, they did. They were accepting a challenge put down by their President, I think that's reason enough, but of course exploration and scientific purposed were involved as well.
 
I've always felt that the "Moon landing hoaxers" were swallowing Soviet agitprop.
Ham operators have tapes of intercepted mission communications, amateurs and NASA alike have been able to confirm images of hardware sitting on the moon's surface.

And for those of us in the video/film profession, who are of a certain age or older, we know what was achievable with videotape in 1969, thus we know that claims of "Hollywood special effects" are nonsense.

I'd like to think it's a simple matter of saying "this is why we can't have nice things" but I know it is partly our fault because we allowed our education to become dumbed down as well.

And yes, I still believe that the Soviets had a hand in perpetrating the notion that "WE" did not go to the Moon.
I also believe that Russia is behind the "flat Earth" nonsense, too.

Can I prove either of those? Hell no, and I'm not going to try. I just don't see any other payoff, whereas the Russians stand to gain a great deal if they can con a majority of Americans into disbelieving and denying our own history.

Who benefits? It is very easy to see who benefits.
 
DasTrev said:
You're saying because America cannot stay in a war (because of all of the protests against it the U.S. forces were ordered to pull out, we could've easily won the war. Don't comment on the "we" you know what I meant, I'm looking at you ttwtt!) and that the Watergate scandal occurred that we cannot fly to the moon? Those two topics aren't even related to the Apollo program. Yes it makes sense, Kennedy challenged NASA to land on the mood before 1970, they did. They were accepting a challenge put down by their President, I think that's reason enough, but of course exploration and scientific purposed were involved as well.
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Look if you are going to respond to a specific post use the "reply with quote"

It would help too if you read some history. If you believe the Vietnam war was winnable, there will be information on line that should support that idea. If you're going to take that position and find it, and post it.

You failed to get the point entirely that THE WHOLE WORLD WAS WATCHING and have offered nothing buy badly written opinion without one word of substance.

If you're so ****ing sure about all this, stick your insults where the sun don't shine and deliver whatever you can find that proves me wrong.

Until then stick your opinion. There are thousands on here and most are better researched than yours.

:doh
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I've always felt that the "Moon landing hoaxers" were swallowing Soviet agitprop.
Ham operators have tapes of intercepted mission communications, amateurs and NASA alike have been able to confirm images of hardware sitting on the moon's surface.

And for those of us in the video/film profession, who are of a certain age or older, we know what was achievable with videotape in 1969, thus we know that claims of "Hollywood special effects" are nonsense.

I'd like to think it's a simple matter of saying "this is why we can't have nice things" but I know it is partly our fault because we allowed our education to become dumbed down as well.

And yes, I still believe that the Soviets had a hand in perpetrating the notion that "WE" did not go to the Moon.
I also believe that Russia is behind the "flat Earth" nonsense, too.

Can I prove either of those? Hell no, and I'm not going to try. I just don't see any other payoff, whereas the Russians stand to gain a great deal if they can con a majority of Americans into disbelieving and denying our own history.

Who benefits? It is very easy to see who benefits.
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I think that you are wrong. If the Moon landings were faked and it was so easy to spot then the Russians would have been all over it.
 
zyzygy said:
I think that you are wrong. If the Moon landings were faked and it was so easy to spot then the Russians would have been all over it.
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They were, and still are. Forty percent of Russians believe that USA never walked on the Moon.
 
zyzygy said:
Isn't it amazing how many people can be wrong?
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Why don't you come out and say what you're saying directly. The little game is tiresome.
Are you saying USA Moon landing is a hoax? Or are you saying the opposite?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I've always felt that the "Moon landing hoaxers" were swallowing Soviet agitprop.
Ham operators have tapes of intercepted mission communications, amateurs and NASA alike have been able to confirm images of hardware sitting on the moon's surface.

And for those of us in the video/film profession, who are of a certain age or older, we know what was achievable with videotape in 1969, thus we know that claims of "Hollywood special effects" are nonsense.

I'd like to think it's a simple matter of saying "this is why we can't have nice things" but I know it is partly our fault because we allowed our education to become dumbed down as well.

And yes, I still believe that the Soviets had a hand in perpetrating the notion that "WE" did not go to the Moon.
I also believe that Russia is behind the "flat Earth" nonsense, too.

Can I prove either of those? Hell no, and I'm not going to try. I just don't see any other payoff, whereas the Russians stand to gain a great deal if they can con a majority of Americans into disbelieving and denying our own history.

Who benefits? It is very easy to see who benefits.
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Swallowing more than just Soviet agitprop. Large hands full of hallucinogens.
 
DasTrev said:
To get this started I want someone to comment first so I can either debunk their argument or fail to debunk it. I don't exactly know which point to start on as there are so many. Humans landed on the moon, prove me wrong.

I will do my research and try to link all sources of my information. I suggest any opposing arguments should do so as well.
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https://youtu.be/S9i-fzlJSs4
 
I've never really been into this discussion one way or another, but one thing I've always wondered is how they were able to go to the moon and back with such little radiation shielding. The ISS and other space shuttles that are merely in earth orbit have 6-7 foot layers of lead to absorb cosmic radiation so that it doesn't cause health problems in the crews. The original Apollo shuttle and lander had barely anything, and they went further out than any humans to date.
 
DasTrev said:
To get this started I want someone to comment first so I can either debunk their argument or fail to debunk it. I don't exactly know which point to start on as there are so many. Humans landed on the moon, prove me wrong.

I will do my research and try to link all sources of my information. I suggest any opposing arguments should do so as well.
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I have no doubt that we landed on the moon. I"m just wondering if the aliens that our astronauts encountered on the moon were okay with it, or did they have a hissy fit?


:)
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
They were, and still are. Forty percent of Russians believe that USA never walked on the Moon.
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CBS:

Looking for third-party evidence to verify the moon landings might be a good first step, if someone is skeptical. While Wikipedia is not authoritative by any means, this entry is a good springboard for finding and independently evaluating third-party evidence corroborating US and NASA claims to have landed American astronauts on the Earth's moon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
DasTrev said:
To get this started I want someone to comment first so I can either debunk their argument or fail to debunk it. I don't exactly know which point to start on as there are so many. Humans landed on the moon, prove me wrong.

I will do my research and try to link all sources of my information. I suggest any opposing arguments should do so as well.
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Yes, we went to the moon. And, upon arriving found aliens who then showed us that the earth was flat.
 
DasTrev said:
To get this started I want someone to comment first so I can either debunk their argument or fail to debunk it. I don't exactly know which point to start on as there are so many. Humans landed on the moon, prove me wrong.

I will do my research and try to link all sources of my information. I suggest any opposing arguments should do so as well.
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https://youtu.be/H8ZzFemBUJQ
 
DasTrev said:
To get this started I want someone to comment first so I can either debunk their argument or fail to debunk it. I don't exactly know which point to start on as there are so many. Humans landed on the moon, prove me wrong.

I will do my research and try to link all sources of my information. I suggest any opposing arguments should do so as well.
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If the moon landing was faked , the faking of it would have the same or greater significance than actually going to the moon. imo
 
hado117 said:
If the moon landing was faked , the faking of it would have the same or greater significance than actually going to the moon. imo
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What is your NQ? (Nuttiness Quotient)

Record all your answers

1) Alan Sheppard rocketing into space was faked (true/false)

2) John Glenn going into orbit was faked (true/false)

3) Two independently launched Gemini space capsules navigated to a rendezvous in orbit and then linked up and crew members shook hands was all fake (true/false)

4) The Saturn V rockets (all 364 feet and 6.7 million pounds of them) were all fake and the people watching its multiple launches were either paid off stooges or suffering mass hysteria (true/false)

5) The Saturn V rocket never carried men into space (true/false)

6) The Apollo 8 mission (men orbited the moon ) was fake (true/false)

7) The Apollo 9 mission (Lunar landing module and command module maneuvering and docking in Earth orbit) was faked (true/false)

8) The Apollo 10 Mission (2nd moon orbit mission carrying all lunar landing hardware and fuel) was fake (true/false)

9) The Apollo 11 Lunar landing was faked (true/false)

10) the Apollo 13 near disaster mission was all faked (true/false)

Multiply all yes answers by 10 and record your score

0: you are hopelessly sane, nothing can be done for you

10 to 90: You are certainly very nutty but not yet a perfect nut; keep reading the Huffington Post

100: Congratulations your are an absolutely perfect nut; the Democrat National Committee will be contacting you for a career in Washington DC
 
Evilroddy said:
CBS:

Looking for third-party evidence to verify the moon landings might be a good first step, if someone is skeptical. While Wikipedia is not authoritative by any means, this entry is a good springboard for finding and independently evaluating third-party evidence corroborating US and NASA claims to have landed American astronauts on the Earth's moon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Third-party evidence won't convince most of those Russians and it won't even convince most of the Moon skeptics on this side either.
No matter what you introduce, they usually will claim that the source is in on the conspiracy.
They aren't much different than the Flat Earthers, to be honest.

This is Permanent Hidebound Generational Level Weaponized Stupid on the same cultural plane of bigotry as "The Jews have horns and use the blood of little children to make matzohs" or "black people are actually not fully human and are beasts of the field", and the best we can hope for is that maybe they will fail in passing along their brand of Stupid to successive generations.

Seventy years from now, young people will still be talking about how their grandmothers or grandfathers didn't believe that we landed on the Moon in 1969, but that their great-great-grandparents did.

And they might just be talking about it on an inter-planetary flight somewhere...if we are lucky.
Otherwise they will be talking about it while sitting around a fire in an abandoned hovel somewhere in a polluted exurbian wasteland dotted with rotting out tank carcasses and wasted munitions shells while they slowly die from radioactive poisoning.
 
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