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Why do you think CT's catch on?

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The other night in my hotel room, I had some trouble getting to sleep. So, I clicked on a YouTube about the Kennedy assassination. This was a video I had fallen asleep to before. So, I knew I'd be out in minutes. It did not disappoint.

Thinking about that video does lead me to some thoughts about this CT stuff. The video went all in on CT. It was the mother of all CT's; I believe I posted about it here once. Basically, the program uses little factoids and ties them all together into a giant CT, pulling in everything from the Nazis to today's drug cartels, and snaring everyone into the plot from the BBC to W's CIA dad, HW.

I guess I see how something like that could be convincing to those willing to buy in. And, that leads me to my question. Why are so many people willing to buy in?
 
The other night in my hotel room, I had some trouble getting to sleep. So, I clicked on a YouTube about the Kennedy assassination. This was a video I had fallen asleep to before. So, I knew I'd be out in minutes. It did not disappoint.

Thinking about that video does lead me to some thoughts about this CT stuff. The video went all in on CT. It was the mother of all CT's; I believe I posted about it here once. Basically, the program uses little factoids and ties them all together into a giant CT, pulling in everything from the Nazis to today's drug cartels, and snaring everyone into the plot from the BBC to W's CIA dad, HW.

I guess I see how something like that could be convincing to those willing to buy in. And, that leads me to my question. Why are so many people willing to buy in?

I remember hearing from somewhere that it's hard for people to believe certain things could be pulled off by just some random person that decided to do it. Like...it threatens their idea of how strong control and stability is. "There's no way some person could do such a thing. It takes an organization to pull this off." Further, there are plenty of actual conspiracy theory things that are true to make other things believable.

Check out Operation Northwoods.
 
I remember hearing from somewhere that it's hard for people to believe certain things could be pulled off by just some random person that decided to do it. Like...it threatens their idea of how strong control and stability is. "There's no way some person could do such a thing. It takes an organization to pull this off." Further, there are plenty of actual conspiracy theory things that are true to make other things believable.

Check out Operation Northwoods.

Yeah, that's what this video did. It grabbed every small conspiracy out there, from bankers and industrialists dealing with Nazis to our military shipping drugs overseas from Cambodia, and laid it all into one giant mega conspiracy. It would have actually been believable, if it were not so absurd. There is no way all those bad guys are working together in concert. They are too apt to cut each other's throats.

But, when you can tie the actual fact of the CIA's efforts at hiring the Mafia to kill Castro in order to make a case for a theory that the Mafia and the CIA colluded to kill Kennedy, it is not that far out there. In fact....it almost makes perfect sense.

Where the video fails is in bringing everyone into the equation. Woody Harrelson's dad. The umbrella guy. E Howard Hunt, HW Bush. Oilmen. Bankers. Gangsters, anyone you can think of, including G Gordon Liddy, played a part according to this video. Absurd.
 
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The other night in my hotel room, I had some trouble getting to sleep. So, I clicked on a YouTube about the Kennedy assassination. This was a video I had fallen asleep to before. So, I knew I'd be out in minutes. It did not disappoint.

Thinking about that video does lead me to some thoughts about this CT stuff. The video went all in on CT. It was the mother of all CT's; I believe I posted about it here once. Basically, the program uses little factoids and ties them all together into a giant CT, pulling in everything from the Nazis to today's drug cartels, and snaring everyone into the plot from the BBC to W's CIA dad, HW.

I guess I see how something like that could be convincing to those willing to buy in. And, that leads me to my question. Why are so many people willing to buy in?

No investigation is thorough enough for some people and generally, big crimes and events are chaotic events to say the least, so it’s hard to get drop dead accurate forensics in such an environment.

So the tongues start wagging. Plus some people think it’s fun to spread CT ideas.
 
Why do you think CTs catch on?

Because when the consequences of a tragedy are so much larger and far reaching than the cause, it's difficult for the mind to process that. A lone mentally ill idiot changing the course of history doesn't seem to hold down that side of the balance, even if it really did happen that way. Therefore, some people like to make up a bigger story that balances better, even if it's almost always bull****.
 
Ironically, most CT's emerge out of concerted propaganda efforts pushed by uber-wealthy businessmen, corrupt politicians and the governments they operate.
An excellent example is the Zionist Protocols, which was pushed by the Communist Soviet Union.
 
The other night in my hotel room, I had some trouble getting to sleep. So, I clicked on a YouTube about the Kennedy assassination. This was a video I had fallen asleep to before. So, I knew I'd be out in minutes. It did not disappoint.

Thinking about that video does lead me to some thoughts about this CT stuff. The video went all in on CT. It was the mother of all CT's; I believe I posted about it here once. Basically, the program uses little factoids and ties them all together into a giant CT, pulling in everything from the Nazis to today's drug cartels, and snaring everyone into the plot from the BBC to W's CIA dad, HW.

I guess I see how something like that could be convincing to those willing to buy in. And, that leads me to my question. Why are so many people willing to buy in?

People hear what they want to believe. They tend toward sources that support the belief.

The better question is whether or not any CT believer has ever been swayed by an outside source.

A couple times a month we get posters in this forum with a new explanation that 9/11 was a conspiracy of the government using a ray gun provided by aliens or some such. And that was the most viewed of any incident in my lifetime.
 
The other night in my hotel room, I had some trouble getting to sleep. So, I clicked on a YouTube about the Kennedy assassination. This was a video I had fallen asleep to before. So, I knew I'd be out in minutes. It did not disappoint.

Thinking about that video does lead me to some thoughts about this CT stuff. The video went all in on CT. It was the mother of all CT's; I believe I posted about it here once. Basically, the program uses little factoids and ties them all together into a giant CT, pulling in everything from the Nazis to today's drug cartels, and snaring everyone into the plot from the BBC to W's CIA dad, HW.

I guess I see how something like that could be convincing to those willing to buy in. And, that leads me to my question. Why are so many people willing to buy in?

“People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.”
― Terry Goodkind, Wizard's First Rule
 
Ironically, most CT's emerge out of concerted propaganda efforts pushed by uber-wealthy businessmen, corrupt politicians and the governments they operate.
An excellent example is the Zionist Protocols, which was pushed by the Communist Soviet Union.

Uh, I hate to tell you but the Protocols were published by the Right Wing Czarists back in 1903. Commies were still more than a dozen years away from taking over. :doh

The Whites actually blamed the Jews for the Bolshevik revolution. So, in other words, you could not have been more wrong.
 
Uh, I hate to tell you but the Protocols were published by the Right Wing Czarists back in 1903. Commies were still more than a dozen years away from taking over. :doh

You know its possible to correct someone without being a childish dick about it right?
And its all the same to me - authoritarian Russian propaganda or Authoritarian Russian propaganda?
Authoritarian Russian propaganda, obviously.

:roll:
 
The Whites actually blamed the Jews for the Bolshevik revolution. So, in other words, you could not have been more wrong.

Editing your post to double down on your dickheadedness I see.

You're not going to earn any respect from the adults in the room by behaving this way.
 
You know its possible to correct someone without being a childish dick about it right?
And its all the same to me - authoritarian Russian propaganda or Authoritarian Russian propaganda?
Authoritarian Russian propaganda, obviously.

:roll:
If you want your post to stay simplistic, keep it simple and don't add erroneous detail to it.
 
If you want your post to stay simplistic, keep it simple and don't add erroneous detail to it.

Its not my fault I triggered you by posting the word Communist, and its no excuse to be an absolute childish ****ing dick. Too late to backpedal and try to make yourself sound more reasonable than you actually are.
 
Its not my fault I triggered you by posting the word Communist, and its no excuse to be an absolute childish ****ing dick. Too late to backpedal and try to make yourself sound more reasonable than you actually are.

Uh, no. You posted a false statement. That's what I objected to.
 
Uh, no. You posted a false statement. That's what I objected to.

I don't have a problem with being corrected. I have a problem with your attitude about it and your general dickery which you continue to double and now triple-down on.
 
I don't have a problem with being corrected. I have a problem with your attitude about it and your general dickery which you continue to double and now triple-down on.

Your post was horrifically inaccurate. I responded appropriately.
 
The other night in my hotel room, I had some trouble getting to sleep. So, I clicked on a YouTube about the Kennedy assassination. This was a video I had fallen asleep to before. So, I knew I'd be out in minutes. It did not disappoint.

Thinking about that video does lead me to some thoughts about this CT stuff. The video went all in on CT. It was the mother of all CT's; I believe I posted about it here once. Basically, the program uses little factoids and ties them all together into a giant CT, pulling in everything from the Nazis to today's drug cartels, and snaring everyone into the plot from the BBC to W's CIA dad, HW.

I guess I see how something like that could be convincing to those willing to buy in. And, that leads me to my question. Why are so many people willing to buy in?

I think in the case of the JFK assassination many people didn't want to believe 1 little guy with a cheap Italian rifle could so easily kill the most powerful, and at the time maybe the most liked man in the world. They needed more, they needed and wanted to believe some evil, powerful force HAD to be behind Oswald.

I still remember where I was when he was shot. So when I got older for awhile I read many books and articles on the assassinations. But over the years I lost interest, mostly because of you mentioned here. Too many crazies, too many CT 'theories;. Everyone from the Cubans, to the Mafia, to LBJ, to the KGB, to the CIA, to the, on and on and on was in on the 'plot' to kill JFK. They all had 'some' good points, but they all also had very, very few facts. If all were to be believed there were 10,000 people involved in the assassination. Which obviously is totally ridiculous.
 
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Your post was horrifically inaccurate. I responded appropriately.

Oh piss off with "horrifically inaccurate", I got the regimes wrong. You're making it sound like I was trying to claim it was the Socialist Federal Republic of New Yugoslavia from 1787 during the Great Finno-Korean Hyperwar from the alternate universe we got trapped in previously due to Satanists taking over CERN and smashing the Higgs-Boson together in an attempt to summon the Great Cyber-Hasselhoff of Khorn...

And no, you did not ****ing "respond appropriately" you responded like a prepubescent teenager shooting spitballs at the nerd who likes Batman and making fun of him for it like a child. Responding appropriately would be more like. "Actually, that is the incorrect Russian regime. You would be thinking of the preceding regime 10 years earlier." Not "LMAO YOU A FUKKIN IDIOT LMAO HA"
 
The other night in my hotel room, I had some trouble getting to sleep. So, I clicked on a YouTube about the Kennedy assassination. This was a video I had fallen asleep to before. So, I knew I'd be out in minutes. It did not disappoint.

Thinking about that video does lead me to some thoughts about this CT stuff. The video went all in on CT. It was the mother of all CT's; I believe I posted about it here once. Basically, the program uses little factoids and ties them all together into a giant CT, pulling in everything from the Nazis to today's drug cartels, and snaring everyone into the plot from the BBC to W's CIA dad, HW.

I guess I see how something like that could be convincing to those willing to buy in. And, that leads me to my question. Why are so many people willing to buy in?

Intellectual laziness combined with extremist beliefs and bias.
 
Intellectual laziness combined with extremist beliefs and bias.

I agree.

Laziness: it took me less than 10 minutes on Google to verify the suspected false statements made in that video I mentioned.

Extremist beliefs: the more extreme the theory, the better for many a CT fans.

Bias: when you hear exactly what you believe, it certainly gives few people reason to pause and double check.
 
Oh piss off with "horrifically inaccurate", I got the regimes wrong. You're making it sound like I was trying to claim it was the Socialist Federal Republic of New Yugoslavia from 1787 during the Great Finno-Korean Hyperwar from the alternate universe we got trapped in previously due to Satanists taking over CERN and smashing the Higgs-Boson together in an attempt to summon the Great Cyber-Hasselhoff of Khorn...

And no, you did not ****ing "respond appropriately" you responded like a prepubescent teenager shooting spitballs at the nerd who likes Batman and making fun of him for it like a child. Responding appropriately would be more like. "Actually, that is the incorrect Russian regime. You would be thinking of the preceding regime 10 years earlier." Not "LMAO YOU A FUKKIN IDIOT LMAO HA"

You went all in on the Protocols being a commie plot. The fact is, that is the exact opposite of what happened, since it was the Monarchists who used the protocols as a weapon against the communist movement, painting it as a Jew thing, and spreading the hate throughout the world.

The thing to do here is own the error. And, walk away. The whine about my style of delivering the message is not going to get you anywhere. if you haven't noticed.
 
You went all in on the Protocols being a commie plot.

No, I did ****ing not.

I don't have a problem with being corrected. I have a problem with your attitude about it and your general dickery which you continue to double and now triple-down on.

The fact is, that is the exact opposite of what happened

Authoritarian Russian Regime spreads propaganda or Authoritarian Russian Regime spreads propaganda.
You sound like a hysterical political extremist losing is absolute ****ing mind over me saying the "C" word once (or twice).

, since it was the Monarchists who used the protocols as a weapon against the communist movement,

You know, even a brief 10 minute peruse of this things' deeper background shows that you yourself are also incorrect,

Towards the end of the 18th century, following the Partitions of Poland, the Russian Empire inherited the world's largest Jewish population. The Jews lived in shtetls in the West of the Empire, in the Pale of Settlement and until the 1840s, local Jewish affairs were organised through the qahal, including for purposes of taxation and conscription into the Imperial Russian Army. Following the ascent of liberalism in Europe, the Russian ruling class became more hardline in its reactionary policies, upholding the banner of Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality, whereby non-Orthodox and non-Russian subjects, including the Jews, were not always embraced. Jews who attempted to assimilate were regarded with suspicion as potential "infiltrators" supposedly trying to "take over society", while Jews who remained attached to traditional Jewish culture were resented as undesirable aliens.

Resentment towards Jews, for the aforementioned reasons, existed in Russian society, but the idea of a Protocols-esque international Jewish conspiracy for world domination was minted in the 1860s. Jacob Brafman, a Russian Jew from Minsk, had a falling out with the local kahal agents and consequently turned against Judaism. He subsequently converted to the Russian Orthodox Church and authored polemics against the Talmud and the kahal. Brafman claimed in his books The Local and Universal Jewish Brotherhoods (1868) and The Book of the Kahal (1869), published in Vilna, that the kahal continued to exist in secret and that it had as its principal aim undermining Christian entrepreneurs, taking over their property and ultimately seizing power. He also claimed that it was an international conspiritorial network, under the central control of the Alliance Israélite Universelle, which was based in Paris and then under the leadership of Adolphe Crémieux, a prominent freemason. The Vilna Talmudist, Jacob Barit, attempted to refute Brafman's claim.

The book of Kahal by Jacob Brafman was published in 1860 far before the Bolshevik movement, and was not about 'stopping the Communists' but was blatantly and flagrantly anti-Semitic. Whereas I merely got the regime wrong, you left out decades of Jewish persecution and tried to rebrand it as anti-communism.

The thing to do here is own the error.

Are you ****ing BLIND?

Oh piss off with "horrifically inaccurate", I got the regimes wrong.

Or just insane?

And, walk away. The whine about my style of delivering the message is not going to get you anywhere. if you haven't noticed.

I think its the latter. A fanatic is somebody who won't change his mind and won't change the subject.
 
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No, I did ****ing not.





Authoritarian Russian Regime spreads propaganda or Authoritarian Russian Regime spreads propaganda.
You sound like a hysterical political extremist losing is absolute ****ing mind over me saying the "C" word once (or twice).



You know, even a brief 10 minute peruse of this things' deeper background shows that you yourself are also incorrect,



The book of Kahal by Jacob Brafman was published in 1860 far before the Bolshevik movement, and was not about 'stopping the Communists' but was blatantly and flagrantly anti-Semitic. Whereas I merely got the regime wrong, you left out decades of Jewish persecution and tried to rebrand it as anti-communism.



Are you ****ing BLIND?



Or just insane?



I think its the latter. A fanatic is somebody who won't change his mind and won't change the subject.

The protocols were certainly anti-Semitic. So, I would not have even mentioned communism, if you hadn't erroneously called them a communist plot.
 
I guess I see how something like that could be convincing to those willing to buy in. And, that leads me to my question. Why are so many people willing to buy in?

That is patently obvious, calamity. Most Americans are brainwashed, the US propaganda was world class, as US propaganda has always been. Americans are conspiracy theorists by nature plus USians always want to believe, from their brainwashing, that there are people out to get them. And the only one that can save them is their currently in power US government. Hence all the USA illegal invasions of sovereign nations.

This is why most Americans still believe in the US government official conspiracy theory [USGOCT], the crazy one about the 19 Arab hijackers, OBL, ... .

There have been many apt descriptions from the people who have so far replied to your initial post and they are all self describing.

Still, the majority of Americans believe in the USGOCT, a conspiracy theory for which there is zero evidence. A conspiracy theory which contains myriad impossibilities that quite simply make it impossible for any sentient human being to accept.

Let me give you some:

1. US government/US military 1990s developed nanothermite. No one else in the world knows how to make it. It was discovered in WTC dust, along with about 6% of WTC dust being iron microspheres - that's a huge volume of iron microspheres as there was a huge volume of dust that was created by this "new generation of super explosive nanothermite.

2. There was molten/vaporized WTC structural steel [temps requiring 2800F/4900F+] an absolute impossibility for the only fuels available to "hijackers", ie. jet fuel and office furnishings - max temp 1500F.

Just these two things illustrate that those who believe the USGOCT are the conspiracy theorists in the pejorative meaning that it has come to hold.

It still has a neutral meaning - many legal investigators are conspiracy theorists and they envision many different conspiracy theories in their day to day work. Here are a few more totally impossible things that sink the USGOCT.

3. WTC 7 free fall; 2.25 seconds, 105 feet, 8 storeys

4. The twin towers accelerating collapses. Not possible without a controlled demolition. The USGOCT goes against the laws of physics.

5. No one serial numbered part of the roughly 4 million parts of the USGOCT's 911 planes has ever been positively IDed as coming from any of the alleged planes.

"Conclusion

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would have included hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus security videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately following each tragic episode." Col George Nelson USAF.
 
That is patently obvious, calamity. Most Americans are brainwashed, the US propaganda was world class, as US propaganda has always been. Americans are conspiracy theorists by nature plus USians always want to believe, from their brainwashing, that there are people out to get them. And the only one that can save them is their currently in power US government. Hence all the USA illegal invasions of sovereign nations.

This is why most Americans still believe in the US government official conspiracy theory [USGOCT], the crazy one about the 19 Arab hijackers, OBL, ... .

There have been many apt descriptions from the people who have so far replied to your initial post and they are all self describing.

Still, the majority of Americans believe in the USGOCT, a conspiracy theory for which there is zero evidence. A conspiracy theory which contains myriad impossibilities that quite simply make it impossible for any sentient human being to accept.

Let me give you some:

1. US government/US military 1990s developed nanothermite. No one else in the world knows how to make it. It was discovered in WTC dust, along with about 6% of WTC dust being iron microspheres - that's a huge volume of iron microspheres as there was a huge volume of dust that was created by this "new generation of super explosive nanothermite.

2. There was molten/vaporized WTC structural steel [temps requiring 2800F/4900F+] an absolute impossibility for the only fuels available to "hijackers", ie. jet fuel and office furnishings - max temp 1500F.

Just these two things illustrate that those who believe the USGOCT are the conspiracy theorists in the pejorative meaning that it has come to hold.

It still has a neutral meaning - many legal investigators are conspiracy theorists and they envision many different conspiracy theories in their day to day work. Here are a few more totally impossible things that sink the USGOCT.

3. WTC 7 free fall; 2.25 seconds, 105 feet, 8 storeys

4. The twin towers accelerating collapses. Not possible without a controlled demolition. The USGOCT goes against the laws of physics.

5. No one serial numbered part of the roughly 4 million parts of the USGOCT's 911 planes has ever been positively IDed as coming from any of the alleged planes.

"Conclusion

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would have included hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus security videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately following each tragic episode." Col George Nelson USAF.

First of all, I believe the correct term is super-thermite. And, yes, it was developed in Los Alamos. So, there is some truth to your theory.

But....the rest? CT is what the thermite story is. There was plenty of evidence proving planes did this, including the live television feed showing, you know, an airplane crashing into the South Tower.
 
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