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The Great Deception [W:95]

Re: The Great Deception

zyzygy said:
You fail to grasp the purpose of a discussion site.
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You fail to grasp the topic of this thread. It's not all about you...good for you, you're an atheist, we all will begin a slow clap now. In our heads. I'm doing it right now. Promise.
 
Re: The Great Deception

gamolon said:
Thank you for answering.

So since you claim that you and John Prewett are from the same "church", how do you feel about him being a false prophet? He's made predictions based on scripture and has been wrong to boot.

Thoughts?
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I'm speaking of my personal relationship with the Lord, not prophesying. Take it up with him.
 
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WCH said:
I'm speaking of my personal relationship with the Lord, not prophesying.
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I never said you were prophesying did I.

WCH said:
Take it up with him.
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So NOW it's "take it up him"? Where was that mentality when you posted an answer to a question that I specifically asked John? I asked John what "church" he went to and YOU replied:

WCH said:
Same on I do. Jesus within his heart, mind and soul.
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You were so quick to align yourself with John and now, when I ask you a tough question that may show you disapprove of what he says, you want to distance yourself from him? How convenient. So again, since you think that you and John are "of the same church", what do you think of HIM putting forth his own prophecies/predictions and those of others based on scripture that didn't come true? Does that make him a false prophet? Does the "church" you both belong to (your words, not mine) approve of such a thing? I mean, this is what the bible says below right?

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9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.
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Jeremiah 23:16 said:
16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
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OlNate said:
You fail to grasp the topic of this thread. It's not all about you...good for you, you're an atheist, we all will begin a slow clap now. In our heads. I'm doing it right now. Promise.
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The topic of the thread has nothing to do with god and Jesus?
 
Re: The Great Deception

OlNate said:
You fail to grasp the topic of this thread. It's not all about you...good for you, you're an atheist, we all will begin a slow clap now. In our heads. I'm doing it right now. Promise.
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And what is the topic of this thread OlNate? John brought forth his thoughts on all the deceptive "faiths", "religions", and "churches" did he not? And then starts preaching about what the TRUE church's ideology is comprised of in his second post in this thread.

He feels so strongly about his faith that he comes here and shares his thoughts, but does something his faith is against.

False prophecies.

My question is if he feels SO strongly about what his faith dictates, why is he doing things his faith is strictly against?
 
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zyzygy said:
The topic of the thread has nothing to do with god and Jesus?
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Not interested in the bait. Whatever this thread is about, it's not about your incessant to efforts troll people who subscribe to religion.
 
Re: The Great Deception

gamolon said:
And what is the topic of this thread OlNate? John brought forth his thoughts on all the deceptive "faiths", "religions", and "churches" did he not? And then starts preaching about what the TRUE church's ideology is comprised of in his second post in this thread.

He feels so strongly about his faith that he comes here and shares his thoughts, but does something his faith is against.

False prophecies.

My question is if he feels SO strongly about what his faith dictates, why is he doing things his faith is strictly against?
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Honestly, not sure what the heck this is all about...it's a little out of my realm of understanding, to be honest. But what it isn't is an atheist circle jerk, which is what some atheists on this forum try to turn this sub forum into with nearly every thread. I call out bigots in other sub forums, I won't be a hypocrite here.
 
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OlNate said:
Honestly, not sure what the heck this is all about...it's a little out of my realm of understanding, to be honest. But what it isn't is an atheist circle jerk, which is what some atheists on this forum try to turn this sub forum into with nearly every thread. I call out bigots in other sub forums, I won't be a hypocrite here.
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Understood...
 
Re: The Great Deception

gamolon said:
I never said you were prophesying did I.


So NOW it's "take it up him"? Where was that mentality when you posted an answer to a question that I specifically asked John? I asked John what "church" he went to and YOU replied:


You were so quick to align yourself with John and now, when I ask you a tough question that may show you disapprove of what he says, you want to distance yourself from him? How convenient. So again, since you think that you and John are "of the same church", what do you think of HIM putting forth his own prophecies/predictions and those of others based on scripture that didn't come true? Does that make him a false prophet? Does the "church" you both belong to (your words, not mine) approve of such a thing? I mean, this is what the bible says below right?
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Frankly I never read that part of the thread. However I do identify with his position on the "Church"

Sorry if you're confused.
 
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WCH said:
Frankly I never read that part of the thread. However I do identify with his position on the "Church"
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So you agree with his stance on the "church", but don't agree with him putting forth false prophecies. Thanks for clarifying.
 
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WCH said:
Sorry if you're confused.
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Asking someone to elaborate on a vague statement is not being confused. Sorry If you don't understand that.
 
Re: The Great Deception

gamolon said:
So you agree with his stance on the "church", but don't agree with him putting forth false prophecies. Thanks for clarifying.
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I guess I missed it...what are his false prophecies?
 
Re: The Great Deception

OlNate said:
But what it isn't is an atheist circle jerk, which is what some atheists on this forum try to turn this sub forum into with nearly every thread. I call out bigots in other sub forums, I won't be a hypocrite here.
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It also isn't a bible-thumping circle jerk either. When you come in here acting all holier than thou and make predictions that don't come true, preach about how things a fake, lay down what you believe is the TRUE church, and then claim people are "pig-headed blind" (see below), you are going to get people on the opposite side that are going to verbally retaliate.

John Prewett said:
Believe it or not, there are people sooooooo incredibly pig-headed blind they cannot see (or won't admit seeing) the following coming to pass right now ....
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gamolon said:
It also isn't a bible-thumping circle jerk either. When you come in here acting all holier than thou and make predictions that don't come true, preach about how things a fake, lay down what you believe is the TRUE church, and then claim people are "pig-headed blind" (see below), you are going to get people on the opposite side that are going to verbally retaliate.
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There is not a sign of it coming to pass.
 
Re: The Great Deception

gamolon said:
It also isn't a bible-thumping circle jerk either. When you come in here acting all holier than thou and make predictions that don't come true, preach about how things a fake, lay down what you believe is the TRUE church, and then claim people are "pig-headed blind" (see below), you are going to get people on the opposite side that are going to verbally retaliate.
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Actually, it is a bible-thumping circle jerk, as defined by the OP. Christian conspiracy is a thing...again, not my thing, but a thing. It is not an invitation to have yet another thread about "prove to me that God exists", which is all some atheists ever want to talk about, and the implied or blatant disdain for anyone who dares believe in God, or any other religious figure, ideology, or deity, is bigotry.

Now, I don't know if you fall into that category, which, frankly, is why I wasn't pointing my original comment at you. Should I have?
 
Re: The Great Deception

gamolon said:
It also isn't a bible-thumping circle jerk either. When you come in here acting all holier than thou and make predictions that don't come true, preach about how things a fake, lay down what you believe is the TRUE church, and then claim people are "pig-headed blind" (see below), you are going to get people on the opposite side that are going to verbally retaliate.
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That was on a different thread. Are you stalking?
 
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OlNate said:
It is not an invitation to have yet another thread about "prove to me that God exists", which is all some atheists ever want to talk about, and the implied or blatant disdain for anyone who dares believe in God, or any other religious figure, ideology, or deity, is bigotry.
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Well, you can't only bring atheists into the discussion then. What would you call John's blatant disdain for anyone who DOESN'T agree with what he believes? Preaching that all other types religions and churches are fake and that his "church" is the only true church? Calling people "pig-headed blind" because they don't see are want to see what HE believes to be truth and/or prophecies being fulfilled? Bigotry is defined as intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. Based on that definition, why did you only jump all over zyzygy and not John? Or, based on what I posted above, do you think that John is tolerant of people's beliefs that differ from his?

OlNate said:
Now, I don't know if you fall into that category, which, frankly, is why I wasn't pointing my original comment at you. Should I have?
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Which category OlNate? You've thrown out a couple. Atheist? Bigot? I believe in God the way I want. I have no problems with what other people believe as long as it doesn't directly affect me or others in a harmful way. Also, don't come into a conversation radiating a holier than thou (John in particular) attitude all the while spewing your beliefs when you don't even follow some of them yourself. Hence the false prophecy issue I brought up, which conveniently, some people try to avoid talking about.
 
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holbritter said:
That was on a different thread. Are you stalking?
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You mean to tell me you think debating an issue with a poster's comments with posts from another thread they were in is stalking?
 
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gamolon said:
You mean to tell me you think debating an issue with a poster's comments with posts from another thread they were in is stalking?
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When you follow them into another and harass about it, yeah. Your not debating. The hostility and disdain in your writing is obvious.
 
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OlNate said:
Actually, it is a bible-thumping circle jerk, as defined by the OP. Christian conspiracy is a thing...again, not my thing, but a thing. It is not an invitation to have yet another thread about "prove to me that God exists", which is all some atheists ever want to talk about, and the implied or blatant disdain for anyone who dares believe in God, or any other religious figure, ideology, or deity, is bigotry.

Now, I don't know if you fall into that category, which, frankly, is why I wasn't pointing my original comment at you. Should I have?
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Do you have an opinion about the failed prophecy, taking into account what the bible says about false prophets?
 
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holbritter said:
When you follow them into another and harass about it, yeah. Your not debating. The hostility and disdain in your writing is obvious.
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Oh really?

I suppose referring to people who don't agree with his prophecies/interpretations of scripture as "pig headed blind" isn't hostile or showing disdain for people's beliefs right? Or claiming that all other religions, beliefs, and churches are fake and that what he believes in is the the one and only true "church" isn't showing disdain right?
 
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Re: The Great Deception

gamolon said:
Well, you can't only bring atheists into the discussion then. What would you call John's blatant disdain for anyone who DOESN'T agree with what he believes? Preaching that all other types religions and churches are fake and that his "church" is the only true church? Calling people "pig-headed blind" because they don't see are want to see what HE believes to be truth and/or prophecies being fulfilled? Bigotry is defined as intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. Based on that definition, why did you only jump all over zyzygy and not John? Or, based on what I posted above, do you think that John is tolerant of people's beliefs that differ from his?


Which category OlNate? You've thrown out a couple. Atheist? Bigot? I believe in God the way I want. I have no problems with what other people believe as long as it doesn't directly affect me or others in a harmful way. Also, don't come into a conversation radiating a holier than thou (John in particular) attitude all the while spewing your beliefs when you don't even follow some of them yourself. Hence the false prophecy issue I brought up, which conveniently, some people try to avoid talking about.
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First of all, I didn't jump all over anyone. If that's what you think happened, you should see me when I'm actually jumping all over someone. If you look at zyzygy's posts, they are almost exclusively attempts to poke holes in, or ridicule, the faith of others, which is too bad, because he seems like a smart fellow, and I often respect his point of view on other topics. At any rate, if you're not like that, then this isn't about or to you. Why you're trying to insert yourself here isn't clear to me.

Seems like you really want a brawl with me, or at least think you do, but I'm not sure why.
 
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