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FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911[W:152:689]********

Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

No sourcing, no evidence, just gamolon making wild, unfounded assertions.

Initially, it was suspected these might be dried paint
chips, but after closer inspection and testing, it was shown
that this was not the case. [Harrit et al p 7]

7. Could the Red Chip Material be Ordinary Paint?
We measured the resistivity of the red material (with very
little gray adhering to one side) using a Fluke 8842A multimeter
in order to compare with ordinary paints, using the
formula:

Specific resistivity = RA / L
where R = resistance (ohms); A = cross-sectional area (m2
); L
= thickness (m).

Given the small size of the red chip, about 0.5 mm x 0.5
mm, we used two probes and obtained a rough value of approximately
10 ohm-m. This is several orders of magnitude
less than paint coatings we found tabulated which are typically
over 1010 ohm-m [31].

Another test, described above, involved subjection of red
chips to methyl ethyl ketone solvent for tens of hours, with
agitation. The red material did swell but did not dissolve, and
a hard silicon-rich matrix remained after this procedure. On
the other hand, paint samples in the same exposure to MEK
solvent became limp and showed significant dissolution, as
expected since MEK is a paint solvent.

Further, we have shown that the red material contains
both elemental aluminum and iron oxide, the ingredients of
thermite, in interesting configuration and intimate mixing in
the surviving chips (see Results, section 1). The species are
small (e.g., the iron oxide grains are roughly 100 nm across)
in a matrix including silicon and carbon, suggesting a superthermite
composite. Red chips when ignited produce very
high temperatures even now, several years after the 9/11
tragedy, Ibid

=====================

Paint chips do not contain "both elemental aluminum and iron oxide, the ingredients of thermite".

Paint chips are not composed of materials at the nano scale.
What the hell does the resistivity testing you posted above have to do with ignition of chips?

Are you losing your mind or just trying to change the subject from ignition to resistivity because you're getting your butt handed to you?

:lamo
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

Are you trying to hand wave away the fact that Jones' slideshow shows that Harrit named a paint chip as being thermite? I can see why you're not addressing it...

I have pointed out numerous times that you are making wild ass assertions that you provide zero evidence for. You have shown that you have not the foggiest notion of how science is conducted. You are taking things out of context, you are ascribing to the scientists things that come from a highly specious source - gamolon.

How do we know this?

I have pointed out numerous times that you are making wild ass assertions that you provide zero evidence for. No direct links to what was actually said. Just a made up gamolon scenario, like mike's O2 made up scenario.

When one attempts to do science, any academic endeavor, there are certain crucial rules to follow regarding links, sources, quoting, etc. You really need to get a Turabian, gamolon. You illustrate that you don't even understand these basic issues of science/academia.

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Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

Given the small size of the red chip, about 0.5 mm x 0.5
mm, we used two probes and obtained a rough value of approximately
10 ohm-m. This is several orders of magnitude
less than paint coatings we found tabulated which are typically
over 1010 ohm-m [31].
Speaking of the resistivity tests, why did Harrit and his cronies not physically test the resistivity of chips they found in the WTC dust pile? Why did they compare their resistivity test of a supposed thermite chip with resistivity test results from a document? Just more incompetence.

Let me get this straight. Harrit, instead of testing the resistivity of known primer paint that he was physically in possession of, he decides to use resitivity results found in a document for regular primer paint?

:roll:

They got those resistivity values from this document:
EmeraldInsight
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

You have shown that you have not the foggiest notion
You need to direct that at Harrit. he's the one that screwed up and confused a paint chip (per Jones) and a supposed thermite chip. The proof is all right there in front of you. Just keep ignoring it. I wonder why you haven't addressed it yet?
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

What the hell does the resistivity testing you posted above have to do with ignition of chips?

:lamo

It showed the paint chips to be a different material than the nanothermite red gray chips. It was right in the quoted material.

"Given the small size of the red chip, about 0.5 mm x 0.5
mm, we used two probes and obtained a rough value of approximately
10 ohm-m. This is several orders of magnitude
less than paint coatings we found tabulated which are typically
over 1010 ohm-m
[31]." [Harrit et al]

Then they did a second test, which was also there for your edification, and you failed to understand it also.

"Another test, described above, involved subjection of red
chips to methyl ethyl ketone solvent for tens of hours, with
agitation. The red material did swell but did not dissolve, and
a hard silicon-rich matrix remained after this procedure. On
the other hand, paint samples in the same exposure to MEK
solvent became limp and showed significant dissolution, as
expected since MEK is a paint solvent.
[Harrit et al]

[bolding is mine]
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

I have pointed out numerous times that you are making wild ass assertions that you provide zero evidence for.
Are these the same chips camlok?

Jones' slideshow chip that he declares to be paint, see bottom XEDS. With Zinc no less that further proves it was paint and not the same as their thermite material:
PAINT.jpg

Jones fifth, pre-MEK chip XEDS that he says is thermite. UH OH!!!! It's got Zinc in it!!!! I thought Zinc was only in paint?!:
MEK.jpg

Jones shows Harrit to be incompetent!
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

You need to direct that at Harrit. he's the one that screwed up and confused a paint chip (per Jones) and a supposed thermite chip. The proof is all right there in front of you. Just keep ignoring it. I wonder why you haven't addressed it yet?

Because you are running a scam. Because you don't have the slightest idea of the protocols of science and sources and sourcing and providing proof of your sources. Because the Zero Evidence Club has provided, provides in their every post that they don't know how science works, they don't even follow/can't follow the normal rules regarding quoting people and sources. You didn't even know what a Turabian is.

Emoticons do not replace the academic rules regarding accurate sourcing and reporting.
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

It showed the paint chips to be a different material than the nanothermite red gray chips. It was right in the quoted material.

"Given the small size of the red chip, about 0.5 mm x 0.5
mm, we used two probes and obtained a rough value of approximately
10 ohm-m. This is several orders of magnitude
less than paint coatings we found tabulated which are typically
over 1010 ohm-m
[31]." [Harrit et al]

The resistivity test in the paper was performed on a suspected THERMITE chip! Jesus H. Christ. They compared that result to values gotten from a document! They didn't test OR publish results from tests on primer paint chips obtained from the dust! What you posted is a complete lie!

:lamo
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

Because you are running a scam.
See post #431 above. Are they the same chips or not? Both have Zinc!

Why are you avoiding this camlok!

I know why.

;)

According to Jones, Zinc should only be in the paint chips!!!! Are you saying that Jones is lying?
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

See post #431 above. Are they the same chips or not? Both have Zinc!

Why are you avoiding this camlok!

I know why.

;)

According to Jones, Zinc should only be in the paint chips!!!! Are you saying that Jones is lying?

It seems he avoids answering questions that are inconvenient to his belief. You won't get a straight answer about Jones. When shown errors he tends to revert to insults. I found it next to impossible to have a civil discussion with him. I do find reading his posts and some responses amusing.
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

It showed the paint chips to be a different material than the nanothermite red gray chips.
So they DID have primer paint chips in their hands huh camlok? Why didn't they test the resistivity of those instead of going to a document for resistivity results? You aren't good at this sort of thing are you?
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

It seems he avoids answering questions that are inconvenient to his belief. You won't get a straight answer about Jones.
I know. There's always hope though. At least those reading this thread know what he's about. All he can do is change the subject or claim "no evidence" like he usually does when he's painted himself into a corner.
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

Emoticons do not replace the academic rules regarding accurate sourcing and reporting.
Zinc in Harrit's chip camlok. ZINC!!! It's all there in black and white. Zinc further proves a chip to be paint. How come there's Zinc in Harrit's per-MEK chip that he he deems to be thermite? Why are you avoiding this? Why does the XEDS match Jones' paint chip?
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

Emoticons do not replace the academic rules regarding accurate sourcing and reporting.
Here. I'll report this...

EmeraldInsight
Finds that zinc ferrite is a basic pigment and can be recommended for use in anti‐corrosive paints.

This is from the document that Harrit cites for his resistivity values.
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

Here. I'll report this...

EmeraldInsight


This is from the document that Harrit cites for his resistivity values.

Does camlock believe that his posts follow academic rules regarding accurate sourcing and reporting? This is a debate forum. Where in the rules does it state one must follow "academic rules"?
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

The resistivity test in the paper was performed on a suspected THERMITE chip! Jesus H. Christ. They compared that result to values gotten from a document! They didn't test OR publish results from tests on primer paint chips obtained from the dust! What you posted is a complete lie!

:lamo

No sourcing, no evidence, just gamolon wild assed assertions. Do you have any idea of what Turabian is?
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

Does camlock believe that his posts follow academic rules regarding accurate sourcing and reporting? This is a debate forum. Where in the rules does it state one must follow "academic rules"?
It's just noise he tries to throw into the discussion to derail the topic. Same with the resistivity crap he just brought up in response to ignition testing. Just a smoke screen used to derail. This is what happens when he can't refute things.
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

Here. I'll report this...

EmeraldInsight


This is from the document that Harrit cites for his resistivity values.

No sourcing, no links, just the same wild ass claims that mike made about O2.
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

No sourcing,
It's sourced in Harrit's paper!!!! Are you saying that Harrit doesn't scientific protocol? I agree with you that he doesn't!

:lamo

Here, for the umpteenth time, is the document Harrit cites for is resistivity values:
EmeraldInsight

Are you saying he didn't cite this document for them?
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

Does camlock believe that his posts follow academic rules regarding accurate sourcing and reporting? This is a debate forum. Where in the rules does it state one must follow "academic rules"?

mike of the crazy O2 nonsense. gamolon is simply making the same wild ass claims that the Zero Evidence Club always makes.

He can't even link to the original sources for his images. How difficult is that?
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

No sourcing, no links, just the same wild ass claims that mike made about O2.
Here, I'll do your work for you since you're too lazy.

Here is a screenshot from Harrit's paper regarding the resistivity test showing [31]:
CITE31.jpg

Here is a screenshot of that reference to [31] at the bottom:
CITE31a.jpg

When you click the like in [31], you are taken here:
EmeraldInsight
 
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Here, I'll do your work for you since you're too lazy.

Here is a screenshot from Harrit's paper regarding the resistivity test showing [31]:


When you click the like in [31], you are taken here:
EmeraldInsight

Again, what is your point?
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

mike of the crazy O2 nonsense. gamolon is simply making the same wild ass claims that the Zero Evidence Club always makes.

He can't even link to the original sources for his images. How difficult is that?
That's blatant lie! Look at the bottom of my post below. See the links? You're desperate now aren't you?

:lamo

Let's see if YOU understand English camlok. The example below is just one of many that shows the incompetence displayed by Harrit and his cronies when they produced the paper.

Below is a screenshot showing the XEDS spectrum for four chips that Harrit deems to be thermite.
View attachment 67227608

Below is the screenshot of a fifth chip's (different from the four above) XEDS spectrum prior to soaking in the MEK solution that Harrit deemed to be thermite:
View attachment 67227609

Below is a screenshot from a Stephen Jones slideshow showing the spectrum of a supposed thermite chip and a PAINT CHIP!
View attachment 67227610

Please compare the fifth chip's spectrum with the spectrum of the paint chip in Jones' slideshow. UH OH! Looks like Harrit named a paint chip to be thermite only it was contaminated! What a complete joke!!!

:lamo:lamo:lamo

Harrit's paper:
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/bentham_open/ActiveThermitic_Harrit_Bentham2009.pdf

Jones' slideshow video (screenshot taken at 1:14:52):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKQchK4X8r0
 
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Again, what is your point?
Are these the same chips camlok?

One of Harrit's thermite chips:
MEK.jpg

Jones' primer paint chip:
PAINT.jpg

Both have Zinc! According to Jones', this makes them primer paint chips!

:lamo
 
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