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FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911[W:152:689]********

Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

Nobody, including yourself, has been able to post evidence for the many speculative claims that are the Official Conspiracy Theory. Indeed, the 911 Commission stated 63 times it could not find evidence for what it had been told.

https://digwithin.net/

War is Hell. :mrgreen:
Yes, google up some lies to support the lies you post. You have the speculative claims, not I. Digwithin, claims, dumber than dirt. They offered speculation based on ignorance, no evidence.

I understand, the complex plot of 9/11 by 19 terrorists, so complex, 9/11 truth has to make up fantastic plots of woo with thousands of unknown bad guys, because 19 is just too many. The complex plot of 9/11:
1. take planes
2. crash planes
Too complex to grasp the reality of the complex plot, web sites like digwithin have to make up lies because they can't grasp the complex plot by 19 failed buddies of UBL.

That is funny, you simply repeat the word, no evidence for, and magically claim no evidence. A big lie based on a web page with no evidence for your claim. 16 years of the big lie of an inside job based on bias and no science by 9/11 truth.

You post lies which were debunked by the biggest investigation in history by the FBI.

Insider trading was found to be a hedge against long position, stock trading is monitored by the SEC, ask Martha Stewart what happens. Ask me, if I make an illegal trade it is found and I might be fined, oops, I was fined. You posted talk with no evidence. Guess you don't trade stocks, and failed to read the real story, you prefer web sites which offer conspiracy theory talk backed with nonsense. Warning: if you think you can do insider trading, there are records which lead back to you... Note: When you fly on commercial airlines you are listed on a flight manifest required by the FAA, if you commit a crime on the plane, they have your name.

You posted more lies from a website filled with lies.

A list of lies you can't support with evidence, the digwithin offered lies, not evidence. Why do you repeat lies you can't defend?

Now you support the insider trading as some evidence for the conspiracy theory you can't spell out, and failed to know the trades were made to cover long positions, and don't understand this because you don't understand stock trading? Thus I have debunked your insider trading, but you can't believe it, because you can't check it and understand it? Insider trading, debunked; you can't prove otherwise. Good luck.

In addition, you gish galloped off to fantasy land of digwithin without answering the question; you can't save camloc failed claims.

You failed to post evidence for your speculative claims, all 12. Take number 6, no evidence that this means anything for your claims.

Got a photo for the melted moly? What does it mean with respect to 19 UBL buddies doing 9/11? Got evidence? No, you can't answer the simple questions, so you will gish gallop to baseless claims you google up, and fail to verify. 16 years and 9/11 truth can't offer a coherent story, and all claims are fantasy.

Got a photo of the melted molybdenum? No, if you do what is the source, and what does it mean? Go ahead, try science, it could cure the conspiracy theory fantasy claims you have. Got any evidence to back up the lies digwithin spreads? No, there will be a gish gallop of more nonsense, and repeat the no evidence for 19 terrorists who took planes, killed pilots, and crashed the planes.

But make my day, pick your favorite fantasy claim from the gish gallop digwithin web page of lies, and prove it.
 
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C'mon Sunzi, you can't prove any element of the official story and we both know it. Take your own advice--prove it. You cannot because it is a false theory with all the facts working against it. You're afraid of Kevin Ryan and his truth. Scared silly, but don't worry, it's OK. The truth may be painful, but truth and knowledge for their own sake is a good thing.
 
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C'mon Sunzi, you can't prove any element of the official story and we both know it. Take your own advice--prove it. You cannot because it is a false theory with all the facts working against it. You're afraid of Kevin Ryan and his truth. Scared silly, but don't worry, it's OK. The truth may be painful, but truth and knowledge for their own sake is a good thing.

Please provide the one concise explanation for 9/11 with the evidence to back it up.

You have yet to prove the combined explanation for 9/11 that you have come up with. What I have noticed through the years your "explanation" changes as different sources you use come up with a new article. It is suggested you broaden your "sources" to more scientific and professional journals and reports.

One of your explanations has the WTC taken down with conventional explosives, nanothermite and mini nuclear bombs. I am surprised you don't seem to agree with Dr. Wood and the energy beam weapon. :mrgreen:
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

C'mon Sunzi, you can't prove any element of the official story and we both know it. Take your own advice--prove it. You cannot because it is a false theory with all the facts working against it. You're afraid of Kevin Ryan and his truth. Scared silly, but don't worry, it's OK. The truth may be painful, but truth and knowledge for their own sake is a good thing.

Kevin Ryan spreads lies about 9/11, you can't prove any element of Kevin Ryan's claims, and I know it. The official story, 19 terrorists did 9/11. It has been over years and Kevin Ryan has no clue what happened, so he makes up wild fantasy. Kevin Ryan can't figure out 9/11, something Flight 93 passengers did in minutes, and they took action, Kevin Ryan posts lies and fools gullible people with debunked dumbed down claims. Not one claim you can provide evidence for?

Go ahead pick one claim and provide evidence. You will not.

You post hearsay lies. You can't produce a narrative for your official story, the same for Kevin Ryan.

Got a photo of the melted molybdenum? No, if you do what is the source, and what does it mean?
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

Please provide the one concise explanation for 9/11 with the evidence to back it up.

You have yet to prove the combined explanation for 9/11 that you have come up with. What I have noticed through the years your "explanation" changes as different sources you use come up with a new article. It is suggested you broaden your "sources" to more scientific and professional journals and reports.

One of your explanations has the WTC taken down with conventional explosives, nanothermite and mini nuclear bombs. I am surprised you don't seem to agree with Dr. Wood and the energy beam weapon. :mrgreen:

I've told you a thousand times Mike, but you still just cannot grasp it: I do not have a concise explanation of what happened or whodunit. All I am certain of is that the official story fails.

A big part of the reason for that is that fans of the official story, men like you and Sunzi, are and have been completely unable to prove a single element of that crazy story. Why should I believe a story that fails so gloriously?
 
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Kevin Ryan spreads lies about 9/11, you can't prove any element of Kevin Ryan's claims, and I know it. The official story, 19 terrorists did 9/11. It has been over years and Kevin Ryan has no clue what happened, so he makes up wild fantasy. Kevin Ryan can't figure out 9/11, something Flight 93 passengers did in minutes, and they took action, Kevin Ryan posts lies and fools gullible people with debunked dumbed down claims. Not one claim you can provide evidence for?

Go ahead pick one claim and provide evidence. You will not.

You post hearsay lies. You can't produce a narrative for your official story, the same for Kevin Ryan.

Got a photo of the melted molybdenum? No, if you do what is the source, and what does it mean?

Looks like a draw, eh Sunzi? You are unable to prove your official story, and I'm unable to prove mine.

That Kevin Ryan was fired from UL tells me all I need to know. In a time of universal deception, and under a government with much to conceal, whistleblowers and truth seekers are punished for exposing the many crimes of government.

Kevin Ryan as whistleblower is in the same category as Thomas Drake and William Binney of NSA or John Crane of the Pentagon, or John Kiriakou of the CIA.

You may be too dull to be any sort of curious detective, but I'm not.

You must call Ryan names because the truth he exposed threatens your world view. Ignorance is bliss, Sunzi. Enjoy it. Embrace it.
 
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I've told you a thousand times Mike, but you still just cannot grasp it: I do not have a concise explanation of what happened or whodunit. All I am certain of is that the official story fails.

A big part of the reason for that is that fans of the official story, men like you and Sunzi, are and have been completely unable to prove a single element of that crazy story. Why should I believe a story that fails so gloriously?

Your correct. We can not prove it to you. What we accept/know as facts, you reject. There was no nanothermite, there was no nukes. The what you call evidence regarding radar spoofing, no planes, wrong planes, etc. is a joke.
Sorry T. You have been taken in by authors that are playing you.
 
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Looks like a draw, eh Sunzi? You are unable to prove your official story, and I'm unable to prove mine.

That Kevin Ryan was fired from UL tells me all I need to know. In a time of universal deception, and under a government with much to conceal, whistleblowers and truth seekers are punished for exposing the many crimes of government.

Kevin Ryan as whistleblower is in the same category as Thomas Drake and William Binney of NSA or John Crane of the Pentagon, or John Kiriakou of the CIA.

You may be too dull to be any sort of curious detective, but I'm not.

You must call Ryan names because the truth he exposed threatens your world view. Ignorance is bliss, Sunzi. Enjoy it. Embrace it.
I did not call Kevin Ryan names, his ideas are idiotic lies based on failed speculation. Kevin is good at fooling those who are anti-science conspiracy theorists. I did not mean to call Kevin Ryan names, his ideas, his claims, his lies are idiotic claptrap. Got it, his ideas are false, and he only exposes his ignorance of science, physics, and his failed claims appear to lack rational research. His claims posted reference other failed 9/11 truth claims, and are failed research. You are unable to find any valid claims and evidence to support your adopted claims you posted from Kevin Ryan's web pages of conspiracy theories based on nothing.

Kevin was fired because he lied, and for spreading fantasy about 9/11 using UL's name. Big failure. Kevin Ryan is not a whistleblower, he is a conspiracy theorist with no evidence. That is not name calling, his claims are conspiracy theories, he is a conspiracy theorist who has not proved anything but this fact.

The official story is backed with evidence, you can't debunk for over 16 years.

You can't prove any Kevin Ryan claims, and you can't debunk anything about the official story, what happened on 9/11 due to the acts of 19 terrorists.

What is the story with molybdenum? Where are the photos of the melted molybdenum? You can't explain the silly conspiracy theories you support? Did you say something about about ignorance, and you can't defend any of the claims you made, or posted. You weak attack on me turns out to be projection. Embrace it. lol


You can't figure out UBL's buddies did 9/11, the official story wins again, by default
 
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Your correct. We can not prove it to you. What we accept/know as facts, you reject. There was no nanothermite, there was no nukes. The what you call evidence regarding radar spoofing, no planes, wrong planes, etc. is a joke.
Sorry T. You have been taken in by authors that are playing you.

I'm a better detective than you are Mike. You cannot prove the story because it is false. Your world view on this issue is based upon a fallacy, and you don't even realize it yet.

You can't prove it to me, and you can't prove it to anybody. To an open and analytical mind, it cannot be proved. It is a fallacy. Yes, it is easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him that he has been fooled. It's just human nature. :peace
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

I did not call Kevin Ryan names, his ideas are idiotic lies based on failed speculation. Kevin is good at fooling those who are anti-science conspiracy theorists. I did not mean to call Kevin Ryan names, his ideas, his claims, his lies are idiotic claptrap. Got it, his ideas are false, and he only exposes his ignorance of science, physics, and his failed claims appear to lack rational research. His claims posted reference other failed 9/11 truth claims, and are failed research. You are unable to find any valid claims and evidence to support your adopted claims you posted from Kevin Ryan's web pages of conspiracy theories based on nothing.

Kevin was fired because he lied, and for spreading fantasy about 9/11 using UL's name. Big failure. Kevin Ryan is not a whistleblower, he is a conspiracy theorist with no evidence. That is not name calling, his claims are conspiracy theories, he is a conspiracy theorist who has not proved anything but this fact.

The official story is backed with evidence, you can't debunk for over 16 years.

You can't prove any Kevin Ryan claims, and you can't debunk anything about the official story, what happened on 9/11 due to the acts of 19 terrorists.

What is the story with molybdenum? Where are the photos of the melted molybdenum? You can't explain the silly conspiracy theories you support? Did you say something about about ignorance, and you can't defend any of the claims you made, or posted. You weak attack on me turns out to be projection. Embrace it. lol


You can't figure out UBL's buddies did 9/11, the official story wins again, by default

Kevin didn't lie, he told the brutal and extremely politically incorrect truth. He demonstrated Orwell's simple observation: in a time of universal deception, speaking the truth is a radical act. In this case, so radical that he was fired.

His truthful statement was that steel meeting UL and other standards of the building code simply could not have failed in the way the government story demanded.

The simple truth is that steel is a poor conductor of heat, and could not have conducted the heat from the fires well enough to have caused a universal collapse. The fires were low grade intensity. For anybody with a rudimentary understanding of physics, the official story was pure horse manure.

And you know that, but insist upon repeating the sophistry. Your claims are stale, impossible, and ummm....debunked.

Ryan spoke truth to power, and they fired him.
 
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I'm a better detective than you are Mike. You cannot prove the story because it is false. Your world view on this issue is based upon a fallacy, and you don't even realize it yet.

You can't prove it to me, and you can't prove it to anybody. To an open and analytical mind, it cannot be proved. It is a fallacy. Yes, it is easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him that he has been fooled. It's just human nature. :peace

Like I said, you reject known facts regarding 9/11.

Let us leave it as we disagree.

Then would you tell us of the many alternative explanations that are out there which ones are false. Yes, we know you believe the Official version is false. Which other ones are not true?
 
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Kevin didn't lie, he told the brutal and extremely politically incorrect truth. He demonstrated Orwell's simple observation: in a time of universal deception, speaking the truth is a radical act. In this case, so radical that he was fired.
Kevin Ryan's claims are essentially lies based on the paranoia you just outlined. He was fired for spreading lies based on paranoia. But go ahead, take all Kevin Ryan's overwhelming evidence (aka woo) and team with a newspaper and get the biggest Pulitzer Prize since Watergate. Ironically, you can't, Kevin has woo.

His truthful statement was that steel meeting UL and other standards of the building code simply could not have failed in the way the government story demanded.
No, Kevin Ryan has no clue the steel trusses will not fail in fire when the insulation is properly applied. Kevin Ryan lied because the insulation on 9/11 was dislodged by the massive aircraft impacts, leaving the steel prone to failure. Kevin is not a structural engineer, and it shows as he makes up lies. In addition he presents a Gish Gallop of failed claims from inside stock trades to fantasy claims you posted from Kevin long list of delusional claims.

You can't take one Kevin Ryan claim and prove it true - why can't you do it?

The simple truth is that steel is a poor conductor of heat, and could not have conducted the heat from the fires well enough to have caused a universal collapse. The fires were low grade intensity. For anybody with a rudimentary understanding of physics, the official story was pure horse manure.
This is funny because other truthers say steel is a great conductor, and now you debunk them, but fail to realize the steel did fail. You don't understand after the steel in the fires failed, the rest of the collapse was driven by the mass falling; why did it continue, because the floors fail and can't hold up the mass that is above, which has nothing to do with heat anymore as the collapse progresses from initiation. Thus you poor conductor truth has nothing to do with the collapse, and can't stop the steel from failing in fire. I agree, steel is not a great conductor, a big reason my CPU heat sink is not steel.

And you know that, but insist upon repeating the sophistry. Your claims are stale, impossible, and ummm....debunked.
You can't take one Kevin Ryan claim and prove it... where is your Pulitzer? Watergate brought down a president, it took less than a year to break the story, and Keven Ryan's claims boil down to failed lies based on paranoia.

Ryan spoke truth to power, and they fired him.
Ryan has no clue the NIST study of the floors was undamaged floors structures to confirm the design and fireproofing was up to the standard applied for WTC design. They confirmed the floors could withstand fires as specified. The fact is on 9/11 the insulation of the floors was removed by the impacts, and the wallboard on the core columns was dislodged. This is why the WTC failed, insulation dislodged, and fire systems rendered inop. Kevin Ryan spreads false claims about 9/11, and no one can save them.

UBL's buddies did 9/11, and UBL ran off into hiding - he failed. If UBL hid as well as Kevin Ryan is hiding his evidence...

Go ahead prove there was inside trading of stocks to save Kevin Ryan's one fantasy claim. Don't forget, when stocks are traded there is a record... Oops, inside stock trades were really puts to cover long positions. Darn, I can't find a single Kevin Ryan claim which has evidence. You can't either.
 
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Like I said, you reject known facts regarding 9/11.

Let us leave it as we disagree.

Then would you tell us of the many alternative explanations that are out there which ones are false. Yes, we know you believe the Official version is false. Which other ones are not true?

You don't know the difference between fact and fiction, even as you assign no meaning in your 'analysis' to statements from the co-chairs of the government commission dealing with it. You assign no meaning to the Commission announcing 63 times that it "found no evidence" for various elements of the tale.

Sunzi

I am not paranoid sir. I am merely very observant. Apparently much moreso than yourself.

You do not understand the dynamics of whistleblowing, though it happens all around you. Kevin Ryan was fired because he would not back down on his obvious claims.

Van Romero out in New Mexico DID back down, probably for the sake of his career. He DID withdraw his first statements that something was wrong with the collapses. He was another engineer.

That you must use tortured reasoning to support your fantasy simply demonstrates how pathetic your claims are.
 
Re: FBI says OBL has nothing to do with 911

You don't know the difference between fact and fiction, even as you assign no meaning in your 'analysis' to statements from the co-chairs of the government commission dealing with it. You assign no meaning to the Commission announcing 63 times that it "found no evidence" for various elements of the tale.
"found no evidence" out of context means Kevin Ryan has problems with reality. Kevin Ryan, and you can't prove one of his claims, and saying "found no evidence" means anything for Kevin Ryan delusional paranoid claims which have no evidence is silly. But go ahead, take one claim and prove it. Show some of the overwhelming evidence the paranoid fantasy claim make Kevin Ryan has.

I am not paranoid sir. I am merely very observant. Apparently much moreso than yourself.
Kevin Ryan is paranoid, he makes up lies about 9/11. Paranoid conspiracy theorists will believe them.


You do not understand the dynamics of whistleblowing, though it happens all around you. Kevin Ryan was fired because he would not back down on his obvious claims.
Kevin Ryan is not a whistleblower. A whistleblower exposes some act or plot. Kevin Ryan exposed that he lies about 9/11 for no reason. Kevin Ryan was fired because he lied about 9/11 using his UL status as some kind of expert level for his fantasy claims. Fired, because he was spreading false information. You can't be a whistleblower when what you say is false and makes no sense. Sorry


Van Romero out in New Mexico DID back down, probably for the sake of his career. He DID withdraw his first statements that something was wrong with the collapses. He was another engineer.
Wow, he changed his mind because he made an error, and figured out he was wrong. Or do you have evidence he had something? No.


That you must use tortured reasoning to support your fantasy simply demonstrates how pathetic your claims are.
Why post at all, you can't take a single claim and prove it. 19 terrorists did 9/11, a complex plot Kevin Ryan can't figure out. 1. Take planes. 2. Crash planes.

Which is your favorite Kevin Ryan lie? It is hard to pick one because like the stock trades, he did no work, and failed to collect evidence on anything.
 
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