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Bodhisattva said:
Those work together.... they are not alone.

Whoa, that's heavy dude! You must be like a English expert!

A falsehood that is a ficti... you know what? Why bother. :lol:

Indeed, why bother? You are, like mike, afraid that if you do try to explain your fable about fable, you will quickly be afflicted with foot in mouth disease.

Dude... this is taught to children... and they understand.
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If this is what you were taught in US schools then I can understand why you are so clueless about issues of the English language. What grade are you in now? US students are taught many many fictions about the English language.

Here are some synonyms for 'fable'. I just put in the highly pertinent ones so as not to overwhelm you.

Synonyms for fable
noun - fantasy, story

fantasy, fiction, legend, myth, bunk, crock, fabrication, falsehood, fib, figment, hogwash, invention, lie, untruth, whopper, fairy tale, fish story, old chestnut, old saw, one for the birds, tall story, tall tale

Fable Synonyms, Fable Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

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50 Years of Stupid Grammar Advice
By GEOFFREY K. PULLUM

April 16 is the 50th anniversary of the publication of a little book that is loved and admired throughout American
academe. Celebrations, readings, and toasts are being held, and a commemorative edition has been released.
I won't be celebrating.

The Elements of Style does not deserve the enormous esteem in which it is held by American college graduates.
Its advice ranges from limp platitudes to inconsistent nonsense. Its enormous influence has not improved
American students' grasp of English grammar; it has significantly degraded it.

The authors won't be hurt by these critical remarks. They are long dead. William Strunk was a professor of English
at Cornell about a hundred years ago, and E.B. White, later the much-admired author of Charlotte's Web, took
English with him in 1919, purchasing as a required text the first edition, which Strunk had published privately. After
Strunk's death, White published a New Yorker article reminiscing about him and was asked by Macmillan to revise
and expand Elements for commercial publication. It took off like a rocket (in 1959) and has sold millions.

This was most unfortunate for the field of English grammar, because both authors were grammatical incompetents.
Strunk had very little analytical understanding of syntax, White even less ... .

http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/50years.pdf
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Camlok, you're the only man I'd do a Houston Dog Sled for, but your posting style is ridiculous. Use the quote feature. It's not hard.

Behold!

camlok said:
You know that it is totally impossible for US government/military "new generation of super explosives/nanothermite to be in WTC dust.
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I thought your position is that it was present. Assuming you misspoke, that presence hasn't been demonstrated to my satisfaction. You're earlier insistence that verification isn't needed isn't very scientific.


camlok said:
You know that is is totally impossible for hijackers to melt and vaporize WTC steel.
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Probably not with their bare hands, anyhow. I don't think that's a requirement for the buildings to have collapsed, though.


camlok said:
You know the myriad other total impossibilities of the USGOCT that makes it an impossible tall tale.
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I know no such thing. I'm afraid you'll need to itemize them.

Your seismology link is interesting but if the science is so clear, why does the guy who was running the sensor site disagree? The article seem to hinge on the idea that the collapse of the buildings wouldn't have caused enough of a disturbance on their own to explain the readings.

Again, the guy running the station says the reading were consistent with a collapsing building (I'll bet you're sick of that article).

Stacked up against a unknown, clearly CT inclined fellow, I'll go with the guy running the actual station the readings came from. If you'd like to advance that idea further, you'll need more sources, preferably from unbiased sources.


camlok said:
mike, zyzygy or Quag are more your kinda fellas. Proposition them.
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No sir! I'll never give up on my dream of us roaming together, united as the gayest gay cowboys ever and forever!

Gonna win you a big shiny belt buckle at the next gay rodeo.
 
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camlok said:
If this is what you were taught in US schools then I can understand why you are so clueless about issues of the English language. What grade are you in now? US students are taught many many fictions about the English language.

Here are some synonyms for 'fable'. I just put in the highly pertinent ones so as not to overwhelm you.

Synonyms for fable
noun - fantasy, story

fantasy, fiction, legend, myth, bunk, crock, fabrication, falsehood, fib, figment, hogwash, invention, lie, untruth, whopper, fairy tale, fish story, old chestnut, old saw, one for the birds, tall story, tall tale

Fable Synonyms, Fable Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

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Fable. Learn. Grow. Educate yourself.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Can you tell us another fable... :lol:
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Here is an awesome fable: M. Atta and his mates drove past Boston where they planned to hijack an airliner for a very important mission. They drove to Maine and caught a commuter airplane back to Boston, hoping there would be no mechanical issues with the commuter getting them back to Boston. In their rental car, they left all their study material for how to fly a Boeing.

They boarded and then used box cutters to slit the throats of military pilots, and took control of an airliner they had never flown in their lives.

His co-conspirator Hani hijacked his airplane out of Washington DC, and after also slitting throats of men way bigger than he, strapped on a Boeing for the first time in his young life and proceeded to fly the airliner through the eye of the needle, exceeding so many aircraft limitations it wasn't funny.

Then another aluminum Boeing bored a hole in coal country like an earth borer, burying itself in the countryside so as to be invisible, EXCEPT for certain fuselage sections which remained virtually intact.

You like that one? :mrgreen:
 
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WillyPete said:
I thought your position is that it
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I mistakenly thought that you might be different from the folks of the Zero Evidence Club but you are just a carbon copy. If you can present some evidence that provides support for the USGOCT then do so.

You quote the totally discredited totally biased Popular Mechanics, a wing of the propagandist Hearst group. A data dump of the rankest propagandist, all non scientists without you providing any discussion of your point. This is because you too know that you will put your foot in your mouth.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Fable. Learn. Grow. Educate yourself.
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You, and your arrant nonsense, stand as a shining example of how USGOCT science denying anti-truthers deal with reality. These kinds of folks simply don't operate in a reality based world.

The people supporting you in your patently obvious lies about 'fable' are renowned liars in their own right. You have voluminous evidence right in front of you, and you continue in your delusions just as you all do in your delusions of the totally evidence free USGOCT.

mike, other USGOCT supporters, always run to the "you're off thread" excuse when he/they meet solid evidence. Notice how there has not been a peep from any of them about your long off thread nonsense about fable and the English language.
 
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camlok said:
You, and your arrant nonsense, stand as a shining example of how USGOCT science denying anti-truthers deal with reality. These kinds of folks simply don't operate in a reality based world.

The people supporting you in your patently obvious lies about 'fable' are renowned liars in their own right. You have voluminous evidence right in front of you, and you continue in your delusions just as you all do in your delusions of the totally evidence free USGOCT.

mike, other USGOCT supporters, always run to the "you're off thread" excuse when he/they meet solid evidence. Notice how there has not been a peep from any of them about your long off thread nonsense about fable and the English language.
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Your post is a prime example of why "been a peep" from me. Your posts really are not worth discussing. Especially whey you fail to address questions asked. There is more to discuss that what you call USGOCT. It seems you are not interested.

Have a good one camlock.
 
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mike2810 said:
Your post is a prime example of why "been a peep" from me.

Your always poor writing really goes south when you reach the desperation stage, which is often. Which is now.

Your posts really are not worth discussing.

This is all part of the same dog and pony show. You've tried this lame excuse many times.

Especially whey[sic] you fail to address questions asked.

Another of your phony excuses. There are myriad questions that you studiously avoid. Why?
Because you know that each of them on their own sinks the USGOCT.

There is more to discuss that what you call USGOCT. It seems you are not interested.
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Actually, there is only the USGOCT and not a one of the science denying, reality denying, truth denying members of the Zero Evidence Club has ever provided any evidence for the USGOCT. You all have been asked countless times.

All your diversions and distractions are meant to move the discussion away from having to provide evidence for the USGOCT. You know there isn't any for if there was, you guys would be trotting it out on your little pony's back. You would have bought new costumes for the little dog.

You have fled, as you always do, from your latest foot in mouth screw up. You brought forward FEMA and pretended you wanted to discuss those issues. That was as short lived as any of your previous screw ups. You have fled again and now seek to disguise that with your dancing dog and pony.

You have proven yourself to be an outright liar with your defence of Bodhisattva's grand lie about 'fable'. Honest people, even when they disagree with others, would not actively and without any shame, avidly support the lie and the liar. That is exactly what you have done, mike, without any acknowledgment of that.

Is WP part of a desperate ZE Club membership drive?
 
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mike2810 said:
Your post is a prime example of why ...
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I see you have dumped your long time signature line which was a great description of the stunning hypocrisy the ZEC operates under - you never were able to explain anything.

You were never able to understand anything either.
 
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cuban smokes said:
I never saw any credible info stating OBL claimed responsibility for 9/11; sure, the government claimed such but there was NEVER any credible evidence

did OBL claim responsibility for 9/11 in a court? did he claim responsibility in a signed confession? what credible evidence does the government have, other than a bull**** claim, that OBL was responsible for 9/11?


9/11 happened on GW Bush's watch; IMO Bush is responsible for 9/11 .................. that piece of **** ................. and he wrecked the goddamn ****ing economy too ...................... ****ing Republicans ................................ **** ..................
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We are all responsible for how america reacted in the aftermath, and for all the bogus warring, slaughter and illusion spinning that the entire nation pretty much went along with, in an utterly bipartisan fashion. And the warring continues unabated. So we fling poo and blame wherein no one is responsible for anything, and line up for the next wars we will start to keep the grand illusion sputtering along for just a while longer.
 
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camlok said:
I mistakenly thought that you might be different from the folks of the Zero Evidence Club but you are just a carbon copy. If you can present some evidence that provides support for the USGOCT then do so.

You quote the totally discredited totally biased Popular Mechanics, a wing of the propagandist Hearst group. A data dump of the rankest propagandist, all non scientists without you providing any discussion of your point. This is because you too know that you will put your foot in your mouth.
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But my mommy said I was special!

What is the foundation of your source? Some retired French "researcher?" Google that name, and you'll see a Canadian dentist (different guy, presumably) and the 9/11 group. Rock solid!

As a layman I must rest my faith on the most credible source, no? So provide a source that is more credible than the guy that is running the seismic center that collected the data, and we'll go from there.

If the seismologist has been compromised by the Hearst combine (amongst so many others,) why didn't they just falsify the data? It's the same info Frenchy used.
 
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WillyPete said:
But my mommy said I was special!
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Your mommy lied to you. You are not at all special, save for your dishonesty. In that you excel just like all the ZEC.

You are simply a new member of the Zero Evidence Club. Such people only do diversions and distractions. Which is and has been your plan from the outset.

Your remarks tell of a body that has zero knowledge and even less expertise. You don't discuss the impossibilities of the LDEO analysis pointed out by Dr Rousseau, an expert in his field, because you didn't even read the article, or if you did it was in the cursory fashion of one who can't comprehend what he reads. The "quality" of the points you have made here indicate that you are another person bent solely on diversions and distractions.
 
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camlok said:
Your mommy lied to you. You are not at all special, save for your dishonesty. In that you excel just like all the ZEC.

You are simply a new member of the Zero Evidence Club. Such people only do diversions and distractions. Which is and has been your plan from the outset.

Your remarks tell of a body that has zero knowledge and even less expertise. You don't discuss the impossibilities of the LDEO analysis pointed out by Dr Rousseau, an expert in his field, because you didn't even read the article, or if you did it was in the cursory fashion of one who can't comprehend what he reads. The "quality" of the points you have made here indicate that you are another person bent solely on diversions and distractions.
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I've claimed no expertise, but you're not addressing my "weak" points, which are primarily requests that you provide foundation for your own. It reflects on you at least as much as me, seeing as you're the one making declarations.

Link me Dr Rousseau's expertise. The 9/11 group profile doesn't even note what field he was in. Just has him listed as a "researcher."

I have no agenda here, really. I just occasionally get fascinated with the gaping holes in CT logic, and go poking around.

I never expected to find my true love this way, but that's life for you.
 
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WillyPete said:
I've claimed no expertise, but you're not addressing my "weak" points, which are primarily requests that you provide foundation for your own. It reflects on you at least as much as me, seeing as you're the one making declarations.

Your weak points have already been described. Your intent isn't remotely honest. That is readily apparent in your language.

I ask you to provide evidence for the USGOCT. You haven't, nor has anyone else. Go ahead and try.

Link me Dr Rousseau's expertise. The 9/11 group profile doesn't even note what field he was in. Just has him listed as a "researcher."

It is right on page one!!! Had you read the paper, you would have seen that. Read the paper a number of times. The seismic signals do NOT correspond to the claims of the official story.

That means the USGOCT is a lie. As if that is any surprise.

I have no agenda here, really. I just occasionally get fascinated with the gaping holes in CT logic, and go poking around.
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You make your agenda crystal clear with your statements, fallacious and totally illogical as they are; one, you state you have no expertise yet you "challenge" Dr Rousseau, not by discussing his arguments but by trash talking and nonsense.

You say, "I have no agenda here" and you admit you have no expertise, but YOU, with no logic whatsoever, with your incredible denials of reality, you have the temerity/the gall to pretend to know of "the gaping holes in CT logic".

That is illogical in and of itself. The US government story is a conspiracy theory. How has this escaped you? They concocted a fable about 19 Arabs conspiring together and with OBL, hijacking four US airliners and crashing them into you know where. That is a conspiracy theory. Hasn't your "logic" failed you badly in this regard?

There is zero proof that OBL was involved. There is no evidence for the hijackers. No parts of the roughly 4 million parts from the alleged airliners has ever been positively matched to any of the airliners. Todd Beamer's phone call stayed connected for 13 to 15 minutes after the alleged crash of UA93.

There are so very many of these total impossibilities in the USGOCT and you have the gal, the temerity to talk of "the gaping holes in CT logic".

What logic have you ever shown in any of your posts here? The same for the rest of the Zero Evidence Club. Nanothermite, a US ONLY explosive found in WTC dust along with the by products which show that the super explosive was used.
 
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camlok said:
You say, "I have no agenda here" and you admit you have no expertise, but YOU, with no logic whatsoever, with your incredible denials of reality, you have the temerity/the gall to pretend to know of "the gaping holes in CT logic".
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The gaps I'm talking about the stuff you haven't addressed, not the stuff you've been repeating (if not supporting.)

The big one for me is how you account for the passengers on the planes. Where did they end up? Are their families part of the conspiracy?

Close second is that there were simpler ways to achieve the goals that would be much easier to cover up.
 
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WillyPete said:
The gaps I'm talking about the stuff you haven't addressed, not the stuff you've been repeating (if not supporting.)

The big one for me is how you account for the passengers on the planes. Where did they end up? Are their family's part of the conspiracy?

Close second is that there were simpler ways to achieve the goals that would be much easier to cover up.
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Those are total non-issues. The important things are the science and the facts which show the USGOCT is not supportable by science or the facts.

These diversions are all things that you as a citizen, can ask about when the real perpetrators of this massive set of crimes are brought to justice.

So why are you attempting to impede such an eventuality with unimportant issues?

Your question really should not be, " how you account for the passengers on the planes." Given all that you now know, all the totally impossible things of the USGOCT, you should be screaming for an investigation, a real one, one that isn't organized and run by the very criminals who perpetrated the crimes.

One that is actually allowed to do science as science is supposed to be done.

Why you, and all the other USGOCT supporters aren't, is totally unfathomable.
 
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camlok said:
Those are total non-issues. The important things are the science and the facts which show the USGOCT is not supportable by science or the facts.
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Several hundred people vanishing is a non issue? I respectfully disagree.

Ultimately, whatever did happen will make some sort of narrative sense. It will have goals, motive, and a flow of activities moving to a conclusion.

I'm asking for your version of the narrative. You consistently point to contested points and declare them true, yet refuse to support them beyond your own belief.

I like you SO MUCH that I've disregarded your rants, hoping you would give me something interesting, but there's been very little thus far.
 
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WillyPete said:
The gaps I'm talking about the stuff you haven't addressed, not the stuff you've been repeating (if not supporting.)

The big one for me is how you account for the passengers on the planes. Where did they end up? Are their families part of the conspiracy?

Close second is that there were simpler ways to achieve the goals that would be much easier to cover up.
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He has been avoiding the questions about the passengers for years. They don't fit into his CT, whatever it is. I'd like to seem him tell the passengers families face to face that the death of their loved ones is a non-issue.
 
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WillyPete said:
Several hundred people vanishing is a non issue? I respectfully disagree.

A total non-issue, Pete. You don't disagree because tens of millions of innocents that the US has slaughtered over the years, all these people vanishing means nothing to you.

People being falsely accused of doing something that there is zero evidence to prove the falsehoods raises not a peep from you or other USGOCT supporters.

Ultimately, whatever did happen will make some sort of narrative sense. It will have goals, motive, and a flow of activities moving to a conclusion.

Yup, now is the time for the facts and the science.

I'm asking for your version of the narrative. You consistently point to contested points and declare them true, yet refuse to support them beyond your own belief.

False. You have been given sources which prove far beyond a reasonable doubt that the USGOCT is wrong in virtually everything it advances.
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You, on the other hand have provided zero evidence to support the false USGOCT.

Why do you continue to deny stark reality?
 
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zyzygy said:
He has been avoiding the questions about the passengers for years. They don't fit into his CT, whatever it is.
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Take up the gauntlet, zyzygy, provide your take and then provide your evidence. Show how, with YOUR evidence, they fit into your CT.
 
If we wait for years maybe Camlock will finally present some science and facts that support his theory. He might even tell us what his theory is.
 
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camlok said:
You, on the other hand have provided zero evidence to support the false USGOCT.

Why do you continue to deny stark reality?
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How can you claim the scientific high ground when you refuse to support your evidence with scientific rigour?

That's rhetorical, but feel free to answer anyhow. You can't seem to help yourself.

Seems like I've heard everything you have to say a few times, so I'm wandering off for now.
 
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WillyPete said:
How can you claim the scientific high ground when you refuse to support your evidence with scientific rigour?

That's rhetorical, but feel free to answer anyhow. You can't seem to help yourself.

Seems like I've heard everything you have to say a few times, so I'm wandering off for now.
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You can fix this intractable problem that you have created and you pretend to see, Willie, by providing ANY evidence at all for the USGOCT.

Let me repeat that - start by providing evidence for the USGOCT.
 
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Can anyone explain why camlok is still editing people's quotes by inserting his replies into them instead of using the quote function correctly?
 
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