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    Re: 8JUN67. USS Liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    I think all agree war crimes must be done intentionally. This wasn't.
    The liberty was clearly marked and flying the American flag. The Israelis didn't attempt to contact the USS Liberty to identify itself. And you still want to characterize the attack as unintentional? Explain.

    The aircraft eventually broke off and we received no further transcripts of the event. I have since learned in later descriptions of the attack that torpedo boats attacked the Liberty also. I saw neither intercepts nor analyses that addressed that attack. An hour or two later I was discussing the event with a team member and he stated they had received, during the time frame of the attack, an intercept of a US State Department message to Israel stating that the United States had full evidence of what had occurred in the attack on the Liberty and strongly warning Israel to cease activities immediately.
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    Re: 8JUN67. USS Liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by Sadling View Post
    The liberty was clearly marked and flying the American flag.
    As I stated before, egyptian ships would disguise themselves with western markings, so this doesn't mean much.
    The Israelis didn't attempt to contact the USS Liberty to identify itself. And you still want to characterize the attack as unintentional? Explain.
    According to your sources, they did. McGonagle stated that he was unable to give any other response than "AA".

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    Re: 8JUN67. USS Liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    According to your sources, they did. McGonagle stated that he was unable to give any other response than "AA".
    Source?

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    Re: 8JUN67. USS Liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    And yet, you don't actually believe that. the government represents the people, and despite your insistence that you only blame the government, and not the people, for these actions, that does not stop you from stating that it's the Jews, who you state need a homeland, who oppress palestinians, and attacked the USS liberty in your post here:

    Which was it? The government? or the Jews? Did you also accidentally conflate Israel's Jewish citizens with their government? That would seem to be the case.

    supporting one's country, but not one's government? Well tell me, is Israel your government? Because if not, it would seem to be Twain's philosophy, that it's the citizens who should decide when to support their own country/government.

    I'm familiar with JVP, unlike other posters who may mix them up with a legitimate Jewish organization. Jewish Voice for Peace *As long as the onus is on Israel.

    Governments change all the time, it's nothing new.

    And yet, You are ready to believe that the US is guiltless? The US, which is known for its colonialism, expansionism, spying and monitoring, on top of all the inefficiencies of bloated government and incompetence, am to believe, that upon disobeying Yitzhak Rabin's request, and reports of the miscommunication between Sixth fleet headquarters and the net, that somehow, the US acted entirely responsibly? I think not.

    I don't think you do. You conflate Jews in Israel with their government all the time, when it's convenient for you to delegitimize them.
    A litany of strawmen with no substantive value, except possibly your less than subconscious support for the crimes committed by the Israeli government. Sound and Fury, signifying concession by attempting to change the subject.

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