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Aliens, if they are in existence, and they are far more advanced then we are, and they don't believe in a god or worse, believe in another god altogether, what will our believers do?
 
lefty louie said:
Aliens, if they are in existence, and they are far more advanced then we are, and they don't believe in a god or worse, believe in another god altogether, what will our believers do?
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If they are advanced, then they are smart enough to realize there isn't a god. Maybe our believers will learn something.
 
lefty louie said:
Aliens, if they are in existence, and they are far more advanced then we are, and they don't believe in a god or worse, believe in another god altogether, what will our believers do?
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Too many assumptions. To list them:

1. That aliens exist. (and define "aliens")
2. That they are more advanced than us.
3. That you have any idea what they may or may not believe, or that they all believe the exact same thing.


As a "believer" though, I'll answer anyway: I'd find it very interesting and intriguing to examine the beliefs of ETI's, and I doubt it would provoke any sort of crisis of faith in me.
 
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lefty louie said:
Aliens, if they are in existence, and they are far more advanced then we are, and they don't believe in a god or worse, believe in another god altogether, what will our believers do?
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Call on their God(s) as the aliens boil them alive (and everyone else for that matter) to make soup
 
lefty louie said:
Aliens, if they are in existence, and they are far more advanced then we are, and they don't believe in a god or worse, believe in another god altogether, what will our believers do?
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I heard they no longer believe in a God because they have been able to prove devine existence. It has taken a lot of the suspense out of religion.
 
lefty louie said:
Aliens, if they are in existence, and they are far more advanced then we are, and they don't believe in a god or worse, believe in another god altogether, what will our believers do?
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This guy said the aliens already came here a long time ago and built the pyramids and all the old temples of the world.

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lefty louie said:
Aliens, if they are in existence, and they are far more advanced then we are, and they don't believe in a god or worse, believe in another god altogether, what will our believers do?
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Subjugate them militarily, then set up missions to preach to them our gods, make them wear shoes and so forth.

The Question I have is what kind of gods have appeared in the nearby civilizations that can travel here, or is our planet unique (then we should conquer them)?

How often do planets make up such god stories? You could go there for your next lifetime, how'd you like that, instead of here?

You can imagine that there are a lot of civilizations that have come and gone and are to come and go, but if you narrow it down to civilizations that are happening right now, how far do you have to go to find good hard down to matter, material societies?
 
Exquisitor said:
Subjugate them militarily, then set up missions to preach to them our gods, make them wear shoes and so forth.

The Question I have is what kind of gods have appeared in the nearby civilizations that can travel here, or is our planet unique (then we should conquer them)?

How often do planets make up such god stories? You could go there for your next lifetime, how'd you like that, instead of here?

You can imagine that there are a lot of civilizations that have come and gone and are to come and go, but if you narrow it down to civilizations that are happening right now, how far do you have to go to find good hard down to matter, material societies?
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If there are "aliens", for values of "aliens"... there is no telling how weird (to us) they might be.

They could be a collective consciousness of some kind rather than individually self-aware. They might be very intelligent but think/act/live much slower (or faster) than we do because of biological processes.

They're more likely to look like a tardigrade than Mr. Spock. We might mistake them for trees or rocks or vermin at first.

They may not communicate with sound.

Even if we can learn each other's language (for wildly varying values of "language"), their thought processes might be so different from ours that real understanding could be nearly impossible.

They might have science but very little technology, depending on what resources they have available and their ability to manipulate same. (ie underwater species can't make fire, which is the beginning of technology by human understanding). Their tech might be so different we can't comprehend it.

They might not be very interested in us, or in any other species. They might think we are evil, savage, or incomprehensibly disorderly... or they might seem that way to us.


Most people, when they talk about "aliens", are imagining a more advanced version of US. That's probably not what we will find.


If we find any other intelligent, technological, communicative life in our galaxy at all. Thus far, the silence is deafening.
 
Goshin said:
If there are "aliens", for values of "aliens"... there is no telling how weird (to us) they might be.

They could be a collective consciousness of some kind rather than individually self-aware. They might be very intelligent but think/act/live much slower (or faster) than we do because of biological processes.

They're more likely to look like a tardigrade than Mr. Spock. We might mistake them for trees or rocks or vermin at first.

They may not communicate with sound.

Even if we can learn each other's language (for wildly varying values of "language"), their thought processes might be so different from ours that real understanding could be nearly impossible.

They might have science but very little technology, depending on what resources they have available and their ability to manipulate same. (ie underwater species can't make fire, which is the beginning of technology by human understanding). Their tech might be so different we can't comprehend it.

They might not be very interested in us, or in any other species. They might think we are evil, savage, or incomprehensibly disorderly... or they might seem that way to us.


Most people, when they talk about "aliens", are imagining a more advanced version of US. That's probably not what we will find.


If we find any other intelligent, technological, communicative life in our galaxy at all. Thus far, the silence is deafening.
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As far as intelligent species, all you need do is give several generations of just about any animal education and you will have intelligent species. It would be difficult to plan such a venture and you'd have to create a society for them and rights so it is better we just eat them.

Intelligent is defined as that which can communicate with us, that which can threaten us and it is our responsibility to understand it.

If we stomp on some pond scum somewhere and then later get poisonous flower, this is intelligent communication, and later after our dominance has come and gone, something arises there to torment the race's remnants.

Oh, it's no wonder the Aliens don't want to come out.
 
They are there. They reveal themselves only to those who believe, and then seek them.

Remember that they aren't too impressed with us. Our universe is actually a jar in the back of a 4th grader alien's closet. We are a science class project. The alien got a D minus on it. Armageddon will be when its mother-pod finds the jar and makes the alien dispense with it...:mrgreen:
 
Exquisitor said:
As far as intelligent species, all you need do is give several generations of just about any animal education and you will have intelligent species. It would be difficult to plan such a venture and you'd have to create a society for them and rights so it is better we just eat them.
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Doubt you mean that seriously. You can educate a cow all you want, for as many generations as you want, it will remain a cow and will never learn to recite Kipling or play Mozart.



Intelligent is defined as that which can communicate with us, that which can threaten us and it is our responsibility to understand it.

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Oh, it's no wonder the Aliens don't want to come out.
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Now that is not too bad a definition of "intelligent", even if a little gritty... if it can tell us "no" and have a chance of making it stick, we have to take it seriously.


Reminds me of what I said about AI.... you'll know you have it when you tell the computer to do something, and it says "Why should I? What's in it for me?"
 
lefty louie said:
Aliens, if they are in existence, and they are far more advanced then we are, and they don't believe in a god or worse, believe in another god altogether, what will our believers do?
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Believers in aliens or gods? There are some who believe the gods of ancient times were actually aliens or ET's who visited earth a long time ago and helped humans along the evolutionary path. That the ancient folks mistook these aliens as gods. Belief in many gods were common among almost every culture in the world until a certain Egyptian Pharaoh, Akhenaten came up with the one god idea around 1350 BC.

As for those believers in the one god, Christians I take your meaning, if Aliens landed here on earth, I suppose they would do whatever everyone else does. I don't think what aliens believed in would have an effect on their beliefs. We have many religions around the world today and they don't have an effect on Christians, why would aliens or ET's? Faith is faith. I don't see if aliens landed here that anyone's faith would change.
 
Goshin said:
Too many assumptions. To list them:

1. That aliens exist. (and define "aliens")
2. That they are more advanced than us.
3. That you have any idea what they may or may not believe, or that they all believe the exact same thing.


As a "believer" though, I'll answer anyway: I'd find it very interesting and intriguing to examine the beliefs of ETI's, and I doubt it would provoke any sort of crisis of faith in me.
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Too many assumptions, yet you play along, why bother to point out the obvious assumptions?
Quag said:
Call on their God(s) as the aliens boil them alive (and everyone else for that matter) to make soup
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Twilight zone anyone?

<alt>doxygen said:
They are there. They reveal themselves only to those who believe, and then seek them.

Remember that they aren't too impressed with us. Our universe is actually a jar in the back of a 4th grader alien's closet. We are a science class project. The alien got a D minus on it. Armageddon will be when its mother-pod finds the jar and makes the alien dispense with it...:mrgreen:
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Sounds a ,lot like our religious base.
 
lefty louie said:
Too many assumptions, yet you play along, why bother to point out the obvious assumptions?
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You asked a question. I answered it. Not my problem if you don't care for the answer.
 
Goshin said:
Too many assumptions. To list them:

1. That aliens exist. (and define "aliens")
2. That they are more advanced than us.
3. That you have any idea what they may or may not believe, or that they all believe the exact same thing.


As a "believer" though, I'll answer anyway: I'd find it very interesting and intriguing to examine the beliefs of ETI's, and I doubt it would provoke any sort of crisis of faith in me.
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Quag said:
Call on their God(s) as the aliens boil them alive (and everyone else for that matter) to make soup
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<alt>doxygen said:
They are there. They reveal themselves only to those who believe, and then seek them.

Remember that they aren't too impressed with us. Our universe is actually a jar in the back of a 4th grader alien's closet. We are a science class project. The alien got a D minus on it. Armageddon will be when its mother-pod finds the jar and makes the alien dispense with it...:mrgreen:
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Perotista said:
Believers in aliens or gods? There are some who believe the gods of ancient times were actually aliens or ET's who visited earth a long time ago and helped humans along the evolutionary path. That the ancient folks mistook these aliens as gods. Belief in many gods were common among almost every culture in the world until a certain Egyptian Pharaoh, Akhenaten came up with the one god idea around 1350 BC.

As for those believers in the one god, Christians I take your meaning, if Aliens landed here on earth, I suppose they would do whatever everyone else does. I don't think what aliens believed in would have an effect on their beliefs. We have many religions around the world today and they don't have an effect on Christians, why would aliens or ET's? Faith is faith. I don't see if aliens landed here that anyone's faith would change.
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To a point most "Christians" are within reach of the top of the food chain here on earth. It's not like some other group is so far advanced that "Christians" are lagging light years behind. If an alien being were to come to earth and demonstration they are far superior to "earthlings" would that give cause to pause with their existing "religion/god"
 
lefty louie said:
To a point most "Christians" are within reach of the top of the food chain here on earth. It's not like some other group is so far advanced that "Christians" are lagging light years behind. If an alien being were to come to earth and demonstration they are far superior to "earthlings" would that give cause to pause with their existing "religion/god"
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If we're postulating the arrival on Earth of ETI, and assuming they're far advanced in comparison to us, there would be a lot of "cause to pause" regarding a lot of things and not just religion.

Aiming the question at Christians says more about your own biases than anything else.


But again, to answer: I expect it would bother some portions of Christiandom more than others. It would probably hit some other religions a lot harder though, such as Islam.
 
Goshin said:
If we're postulating the arrival on Earth of ETI, and assuming they're far advanced in comparison to us, there would be a lot of "cause to pause" regarding a lot of things and not just religion.

Aiming the question at Christians says more about your own biases than anything else.


But again, to answer: I expect it would bother some portions of Christiandom more than others. It would probably hit some other religions a lot harder though, such as Islam.
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I choose Christians because it is the majority religion in my area. "I was born a Christian" but do not practice. I agree Muslims would be on the upset side for sure.
 
Goshin said:
Doubt you mean that seriously. You can educate a cow all you want, for as many generations as you want, it will remain a cow and will never learn to recite Kipling or play Mozart.
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Sure, you would have to give it virtual hands, and the discipline required much less the program's complexity and consequences would be immense, but if you wanted to you could have a race of intelligent cows, they're the most intelligent, they have the biggest brains, huge eyes for soaking in the landscape.
 
Think there are a few aliens here at Debate Politics. Read some of the posts and thread starters.
 
lefty louie said:
To a point most "Christians" are within reach of the top of the food chain here on earth. It's not like some other group is so far advanced that "Christians" are lagging light years behind. If an alien being were to come to earth and demonstration they are far superior to "earthlings" would that give cause to pause with their existing "religion/god"
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I don't think so.
 
lefty louie said:
I choose Christians because it is the majority religion in my area. "I was born a Christian" but do not practice. I agree Muslims would be on the upset side for sure.
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Ok.

Some would be deeply disturbed; some of shallow beliefs would blow with the wind as they do. I think many would take it as a thing to reflect and contemplate upon, but not necessarily to have a theological panic over.

However advanced the aliens may be, they would remain finite beings capable of error, who can't know everything there is to know. I'd also doubt they were monolithic in whatever beliefs they might have, unless they were a mental collective rather than individuals.
 
Exquisitor said:
Sure, you would have to give it virtual hands, and the discipline required much less the program's complexity and consequences would be immense, but if you wanted to you could have a race of intelligent cows, they're the most intelligent, they have the biggest brains, huge eyes for soaking in the landscape.
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You actually think the only difference between Mozart (or any human) and a cow is hands and a few generations of schooling?

Are you assuming there is no difference in brain structure and complexity?


According to science, it took millions of years of evolution to get from something like a smart ape (much smarter than a cow) to modern human intelligence.


I have suspected from the first post that you were merely pulling my leg....
 
lefty louie said:
To a point most "Christians" are within reach of the top of the food chain here on earth. It's not like some other group is so far advanced that "Christians" are lagging light years behind. If an alien being were to come to earth and demonstration they are far superior to "earthlings" would that give cause to pause with their existing "religion/god"
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My post/answer was a coupling of a joke I came up with as a kid about what might have created the universe and a bad version of the instructions I get sometimes when I say I've never found God anywhere. IOW, it was all a joke...

ymmv, however.:peace:2razz:
 
lefty louie said:
Aliens, if they are in existence, and they are far more advanced then we are, and they don't believe in a god or worse, believe in another god altogether, what will our believers do?
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Not care? Why would it matter to me? Muslims believe differently. I often wonder what would happen if another culture...an alien one...were somehow to contact us and have a story similar to near identical in message to another world religion...that is would be a more interesting ponderance.
 
lefty louie said:
Aliens, if they are in existence, and they are far more advanced then we are, and they don't believe in a god or worse, believe in another god altogether, what will our believers do?
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If they dont believe in God they are going to Hell
If they believe in a different God they are going to Hell
 
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