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If you are dumb, evil, ignorant, crazy enough to believe the USGOCT, you believe in miracles![W:461]

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As I said before build an exact replica of the trade towers, fly the same kind of jets into them and film it.What the designers allegedly said or didn't say doesn't mean squat. A home builder can build a house and say it can withstand a tornado.Doesn't mean it will withstand a tornado. Now if that same home builder built houses that have actually withstood tornadoes then that home builder's opinion actually means something on what it will withstand. Did those alleged designers build towers of the same exact construction before that actually withstood planes slamming into them? I would say that is a no.

He's doing what all conspiracy theorists do it's called gaslighting.
 
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16 years, no evidence for the claims supported by wild opinions from you or camlok. Got any evidence of damage to WTC steel by thermite yet? No. Any etic on that one? no

Have YOU any evidence that the NIST theory for collapse--jet fuel fires and gravity--is valid? Have you any evidence that any element of the official story is true?

Feel free to provide any such evidence that you might have. At the moment all you have is government propaganda talking points, but no evidence, no facts to support the story.
 
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As I said before build an exact replica of the trade towers, fly the same kind of jets into them and film it.What the designers allegedly said or didn't say doesn't mean squat.

How can you even suggest such a nonsensical, totally crazy notion. That is exactly what structural designers do everyday. Just look around you, there are myriad steel framed high rises all over the world.

As I said, james, "All that has been done, James. The original designers of the TT planned for that exact scenario".

The desperation of the USGOCT conspiracy theorists is palpable. Why not try some completely novel for the USGOCT conspiracy theorists, james, like providing some speck of evidence for said USGOCT? You will find it impossible, but you already know this because no other USGOCT conspiracy theorists have ever put any forward.
 
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He's doing what all conspiracy theorists do it's called gaslighting.

Another zero evidence USGOCT conspiracy theorist puts forward his zero evidence. You have a long history of doing this, CLAX. It's called not providing any evidence and USGOCT conspiracy theorists are experts at it.
 
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Its called a plane slamming into a building and weakening the structure that supports everything above it. It would be like if some fat **** was sitting a four legged chair and you kicked out one of those chair legs.The chair would give way and the fat **** would fall down.

Thanks for proving the USGOCT that the collapses were due to controlled demolitions, james. The chair wouldn't collapse straight down and turn the steel components of the chair, plus the steel screws/bolts and the person into micron sized dust particles. It wouldn't hurl portions of the chair five to ten football fields away from the collapse zone of the chair.

Explosive squibs wouldn't jet out from the lower reaches of the chair as it toppled to one side.

Some USGOCT conspiracy theorists are actually very good at providing evidence - AGAINST the USGOCT.

Keep talking, james et al!!!
 
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I like the Flat Earth conspiracy that's funnier.

If one believes in the USGOCT, those folks are the equivalent of Flat Earthers.
 
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16 years, no evidence for the claims supported by wild opinions from you or camlok. Got any evidence of damage to WTC steel by thermite yet? No. Any etic on that one? no

What's <etic>, Sunzi?

Why are you so abysmally uninformed about the molten/vaporized steel or, alternately, why are you lying about it?

You can see the damage caused by NANOthermite to WTC steel in the FEMA Appendix C report.

US government/US military ONLY nanothermite. Might this be the NANOTHERMITE that you are deviously trying to ignore/play down?

https://str.llnl.gov/str/RSimpson.html

Nanoscale Chemistry Yields Better Explosives

...

At Livermore Laboratory, sol-gel chemistry-the same process used to make aerogels or "frozen smoke" (see S&TR, November/December 1995)—has been the key to creating energetic materials with improved, exceptional, or entirely new properties. This energetic materials breakthrough was engineered by Randy Simpson, director of the Energetic Materials Center; synthetic chemists Tom Tillotson, Alex Gash, and Joe Satcher; and physicist Lawrence Hrubesh.

These new materials have structures that can be controlled on the nanometer (billionth-of-a-meter) scale. Simpson explains, "In general, the smaller the size of the materials being combined, the better the properties of energetic materials. Since these `nanostructures' are formed with particles on the nanometer scale, the performance can be improved over materials with particles the size of grains of sand or of powdered sugar. In addition, these `nanocomposite' materials can be easier and much safer to make than those made with traditional methods."


You can hear the molten steel being described by eyewitnesses in this video. Surely, you aren't going to call NYC firefighters liars, are you? These are the brave men who went down below the WTC rubble and saw the molten steel with their own eyes.

Eyes Wide Shut: Gross Negligence with NIST Denial of Molten Metal on 9/11 - AE911Truth.org



Can you explain why John the gross liar Gross, of NIST, would baldface lie about the molten steel when he himself knew all about it, knew that there were pictures of him touching a molten/vaporized WTC structural steel member?
 
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What's <etic>, Sunzi?

Why are you so abysmally uninformed about the molten/vaporized steel or, alternately, why are you lying about it?

You can see the damage caused by NANOthermite to WTC steel in the FEMA Appendix C report.

US government/US military ONLY nanothermite. Might this be the NANOTHERMITE that you are deviously trying to ignore/play down?




You can hear the molten steel being described by eyewitnesses in this video. Surely, you aren't going to call NYC firefighters liars, are you? These are the brave men who went down below the WTC rubble and saw the molten steel with their own eyes.

Eyes Wide Shut: Gross Negligence with NIST Denial of Molten Metal on 9/11 - AE911Truth.org



Can you explain why John the gross liar Gross, of NIST, would baldface lie about the molten steel when he himself knew all about it, knew that there were pictures of him touching a molten/vaporized WTC structural steel member?


Read the report, the steel was corroded in fire laying down after the collapse in the pile, no thermite. Quote mining is not evidence for thermite. This has been debunked so many times I am surprised anyone is unable to read the FEMA and other reports on the corroded steel and fail to understand it was not melted.

There is no evidence of thermite damage to any WTC steel. The two pieces of steel showing corrosion in fire were unique, and picked out of the pile because of the corrosion. Sorry, no thermite. The claims you make are not based on evidence. Opinions are not evidence, and quote mining people, and failing to back it up with evidence fails to rise to support for the fantasy of thermite.

https://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/20130726-1512-20490-8452/403_apc.pdf - don't worry, if you don't understand the report means corrosion, there are quote mining oportunities you can use to support the fantasy of thermite. Thoreau72 this is called evidence, but it would ruin the 9/11 truth fantasy of melted steel and thermite. So ignore evidence, and never produce evidence for your fantasy claims, the fantasy claims belong locked up in "Conspiracy Theories", the fact you can't post the fantasy claims in current news, history, etc. We be stuck in "conspiracy theory", where no evidence is produced for endlessly repeated failed fantasy claims.

The report says corrosion at 800 to 1000C, thus your fantasy thermite is the coldest working thermite on earth; it is fire, oops.
BTW, the FEMA appendix c has the root word melt 5 times at least, so quote mine away, it will be a reading comprehension test; I know the results, okay suspect you will fail to understand; but hope springs eternal education will cure 9/11 truth, and the fantasy claims of thermite.

The sun rose on 9/11, is that proof of nuke activity at the WTC? Your 9/11 claims were debunk on 9/11, and many times since. Is your google broke, or is there inability to separate the wheat from the chaff. Good luck, 9/11 truth is a cover name to spread lies based on no evidence.

What is the best conspiracy theory you have, do you have something new, all those you present are already debunked. Anything new?
 
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Read the report, the steel was corroded in fire laying down after the collapse in the pile, no thermite. Quote mining is not evidence for thermite. This has been debunked so many times I am surprised anyone is unable to read the FEMA and other reports on the corroded steel and fail to understand it was not melted.

As always, no evidence from USGOCT conspiracy theorists, Sunzi. I'm sure that you would point out some evidence in your post if there was any.

Why have you totally ignored all the eyewitness reports of molten steel in the rubble of WTC, including WTC7, which wasn't hit by any "plane?

Let me help you out on that one. You have ignored all the eyewitness reports of molten steel in the rubble of WTC, including WTC7, because it is fatal to the fantasy you have been trying to weave here in your few short appearances.

Why have you just come out of the woodwork now, Sunzi? Where have you been all along? Are you a proxy?


There is no evidence of thermite damage to any WTC steel. The two pieces of steel showing corrosion in fire were unique, and picked out of the pile because of the corrosion. Sorry, no thermite. The claims you make are not based on evidence. Opinions are not evidence, and quote mining people, and failing to back it up with evidence fails to rise to support for the fantasy of thermite.

As always, no evidence from USGOCT conspiracy theorists, Sunzi. Just your fatuous opinions which are totally contradicted by the scientific evidence.

Below is evidence of the unreacted nanothermite particles found in WTC dust. Even normal thermite being found would sink the USGOCT. US government proprietary NANOTHERMITE being found in WTC dust blows the USGOCT right out of the water. It destroys it as thoroughly as the nanothermite did the twin towers and WTC7.

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade
Center Catastrophe
Niels H. Harrit*,1, Jeffrey Farrer2
, Steven E. Jones*,3, Kevin R. Ryan4
, Frank M. Legge5
,
Daniel Farnsworth2
, Gregg Roberts6
, James R. Gourley7
and Bradley R. Larsen3

...

Abstract: We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the
destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in
this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan
resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later.
The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy
dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC).

The red material contains grains approximately
100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation
of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum
are intimately mixed in the red material.


When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring
at approximately 430 ˚C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite.


Numerous iron-rich
spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these
chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.


https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf

[bolded and underlined is mine]

https://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/20130726-1512-20490-8452/403_apc.pdf - don't worry, if you don't understand the report means corrosion, there are quote mining oportunities you can use to support the fantasy of thermite.

How did the corrosion occur?

The sun rose on 9/11, is that proof of nuke activity at the WTC? Your 9/11 claims were debunk on 9/11, and many times since. Is your google broke, or is there inability to separate the wheat from the chaff. Good luck, 9/11 truth is a cover name to spread lies based on no evidence.

Your desperation is palpable.
 
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Read the report,

I have, many times. It is not at all how you are misrepresenting it. What caused the corrosion? Was it the eutectic mixture that did so?

Are you calling NYC firemen, the heroes of 9/11, liars? These are the brave men who went down below the WTC rubble and saw the molten steel with their own eyes.

Are you calling these three firemen who describe the secondary explosions in the twin towers liars?

9/11: Three firemen talk about bombs and explosions (WTC)

 
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Its called a plane slamming into a building and weakening the structure that supports everything above it.
Wow! You have no idea what was asked of you, do you? I'll repost it so that someone who understands the question can try to rationalize the reality of what is seen in the video below.

REPOST:

On the video below, at either the 30 second or 1:12 mark, place a straightedge horizontally across the screen and line it up with the top of the building and then count the seconds it takes for the 360 feet of antenna to pass the marker. It will show that the upper block descends at a rate that is just forty feet shy of freefall. That means that the upper block passed through the core structure as if it weren't there. To be more precise, one structure magically passed through another structure of the exact same composition without so much as a visible jolt. So how does that happen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGAofwkAOlo
 
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Read the report, the steel was corroded in fire laying down after the collapse in the pile, no thermite.
Well, the best way to confirm the validity of a process is to duplicate it through experimentation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YuDKUCALtU
 
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I have, many times. It is not at all how you are misrepresenting it. What caused the corrosion? Was it the eutectic mixture that did so?

Are you calling NYC firemen, the heroes of 9/11, liars? These are the brave men who went down below the WTC rubble and saw the molten steel with their own eyes.

Are you calling these three firemen who describe the secondary explosions in the twin towers liars?

9/11: Three firemen talk about bombs and explosions (WTC)

Not one supports your claims, and they all support 19 terrorists did 9/11. You have no evidence, look at the top of the page, we/you are stuck in Conspiracy Theories sub forum discussing your fantasy version of 9/11. The truth is clear.

Yes things explode in fire, but there were no explosives, and your are debunking thermite. There were no explosives heard on 9/11.

I don't doubt firefighters (firemen?, are you bias) heard explosions, like bodies hitting the ground after falling 1000 feet, but they did not hear explosives set by the fantasy NWO bad guys you can't name.

Nope, people heard loud sounds, building failing make loud noises, but not the sound of explosives. You lost this round, better luck with terrorists how can't fly the easiest jets to fly, 757/767s. 16 years, remember, Flight 93 Passengers took action and figured out 9/11 16 years before you. or more
 
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Well, the best way to confirm the validity of a process is to duplicate it through experimentation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YuDKUCALtU

That is funny, he wrapped steel in gypsum, which protected it from fire. The steel in the FEMA report was corroded in fire after the collapse of the TT. It is a fact, and it is corrosion. But posting a video of a 9/11 truther cooking steel insulated with gypsum is silly. The WTC steel in many places was insulated to protect it from fire with 3 inches of Gypsum board, and this insulation was dislodged in impact of 1300 and 2093 pound of TNT in KE when the planes hit. Those are massive impacts. The WTC was designed, or the design would stop dead a plane going 180 mph, with the KE equal to 187 pounds of TNT. The Plane which hit the ESB did major damage and fires and hit with the KE equal in energy to 18 pounds of TNT.

Do the physics and research before exposing a complete lack of knowledge of science, physics and engineering.

The video you posted had no value with respect to (WRT) the corroded steel I posted proved by study by real engineers who had expertise in the subject area. Cole is what, is he the sewer engineer? Not that he could shed light on the facts, but his video is nonsense. Not valid. Where are Coles 220 acres of office material burning? He insulated the steel with wallboard, it protected the steel. lol, he failed. no big deal, his biases are not allowing him to do a valid test, and he does not have cars, tires, and over 220 floors of debris to burn. Big fail, not evidence for anything but failure on Cole's part.
 
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Not one supports your claims, and they all support 19 terrorists did 9/11.

No pronoun referents. The sign of poor writing and poor thinking. And as always, zero evidence from you, Sunzi. Who are your mysterious "Not one" and "they"?

You have no evidence, look at the top of the page, we/you are stuck in Conspiracy Theories sub forum discussing your fantasy version of 9/11. The truth is clear.

On the contrary, I have provided a great deal of evidence, as has Sadling. You and the other USGOCT conspiracy theorists, ZILCH.


Yes things explode in fire, but there were no explosives, and your are debunking thermite. There were no explosives heard on 9/11.

Why are you calling the heroic firemen liars, WITH NO EVIDENCE, just your uninformed opinions/lies.

I don't doubt firefighters (firemen?, are you bias) heard explosions, like bodies hitting the ground after falling 1000 feet, but they did not hear explosives set by the fantasy NWO bad guys you can't name.

You are lying again, in a desperate attempt to divert. The video said 3 fireMEN. Can't you read? Can you not see that they are men?

Nope, people heard loud sounds, building failing make loud noises, but not the sound of explosives. You lost this round, better luck with terrorists how can't fly the easiest jets to fly, 757/767s. 16 years, remember, Flight 93 Passengers took action and figured out 9/11 16 years before you. or more

You desperation is getting out of control.

Actually, there were hundreds of NYC firemen whose testimony was taken as a recollection of that morning and there were over 118 who reported loud explosions, bombs. How did the one fireman's face get so bloodied?

Then there is the seismic record that confirms the firemen's testimony of bombs and explosions and these seismic records determine without any doubt that huge subterranean explosions are the only way those particular seismic signals could have been propagated.
 
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No pronoun referents. The sign of poor writing and poor thinking. And as always, zero evidence from you, Sunzi. Who are your mysterious "Not one" and "they"?



On the contrary, I have provided a great deal of evidence, as has Sadling. You and the other USGOCT conspiracy theorists, ZILCH.




Why are you calling the heroic firemen liars, WITH NO EVIDENCE, just your uninformed opinions/lies.



You are lying again, in a desperate attempt to divert. The video said 3 fireMEN. Can't you read? Can you not see that they are men?



You desperation is getting out of control.

Actually, there were hundreds of NYC firemen whose testimony was taken as a recollection of that morning and there were over 118 who reported loud explosions, bombs. How did the one fireman's face get so bloodied?

Then there is the seismic record that confirms the firemen's testimony of bombs and explosions and these seismic records determine without any doubt that huge subterranean explosions are the only way those particular seismic signals could have been propagated.

If you had source and proof, you would be famous. But you have talk, no evidence. Nope, no seismic record of Explosives, you can't produce evidence.


There is evidence for the gravity collapse of the WTC, the energy released during the collapse (E=MGH) was more than 100 tons of TNT. A fact of physics; use physics, it will save you from lies from 9/11 truth.
 
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Another zero evidence USGOCT conspiracy theorist puts forward his zero evidence. You have a long history of doing this, CLAX. It's called not providing any evidence and USGOCT conspiracy theorists are experts at it.

What mocking nutty conspiracy theorist? I made no claims regarding the GJCSYJVZFJVXEGJ or whatever the f*** you're talking about. So I have no reason to support anything
 
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If one believes in the USGOCT, those folks are the equivalent of Flat Earthers.

Never heard of the USGOAT or the GUSTROCTDRPOD or whatever this s*** you're typing out is.
 
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The official conspiracy theory is the one advanced by the report issued by the commission headed up by Kean and Hamilton, that 19 arabs with box cutters hijacked 4 airliners and crashed them in several places.
 
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If you had source and proof, you would be famous. But you have talk, no evidence. Nope, no seismic record of Explosives, you can't produce evidence.


There is evidence for the gravity collapse of the WTC, the energy released during the collapse (E=MGH) was more than 100 tons of TNT. A fact of physics; use physics, it will save you from lies from 9/11 truth.

As always, no evidence from the USGOCT conspiracy theorists.
 
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What mocking nutty conspiracy theorist? I made no claims regarding the GJCSYJVZFJVXEGJ or whatever the f*** you're talking about. So I have no reason to support anything

As always, no evidence from the USGOCT conspiracy theorists.
 
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Never heard of the USGOAT or the GUSTROCTDRPOD or whatever this s*** you're typing out is.

It's obvious from your total inability to provide any evidence for the USGOCT that you have never heard of a lot of things that one should be aware of in order to discuss these science issues.
 
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It's obvious from your total inability to provide any evidence for the USGOCT that you have never heard of a lot of things that one should be aware of in order to discuss these science issues.

I should be aware that little green men and the Illuminati run the world right?

There is a reason why this stupidity is relegated to conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theory it's just a polite way of saying delusion.

If any of your claims were real then we'd be in the breaking news section not the diluted cranks section.
 
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The official conspiracy theory is the one advanced by the report issued by the commission headed up by Kean and Hamilton, that 19 arabs with box cutters hijacked 4 airliners and crashed them in several places.

The delusion that is called The Conspiracy Theory out of niceties is that secret stuff happened there and government colluded with entities to falsify and keep everyone but a few Nutters on the internet out of the loop.
 
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If you had source and proof, you would be famous. But you have talk, no evidence. Nope, no seismic record of Explosives, you can't produce evidence.
It really makes me wonder about the psychosis of someone who believes conspiracy theories. Do they want to feel special like they are privy to something that the average person isn't? Are they suffering from paranoia? Or are they just yanking your chain?
 
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