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    Re: Here is something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunzi View Post
    The next lower floor of the WTC is not larger than the upper mass it is much smaller.

    You missed it, the floors in the WTC towers do not hold up anything but themselves. The floor below fails, the first floor hit by the upper mass fails almost instantly, and because the collapse is chaotic, your missing jolt is averaged out. If you studied the collapse you would see deviations in the acceleration and velocity as each floor is hit.
    And once again here you go talking about the floors pancaking when the pancake theory has been debunked by even NIST.

    ". . . jolt is averaged out"? What in hell does that mean. Watch the video. There's no jolt--averaged out or otherwise. I think you need to do some serious research into the core structure to find out just how silly your speculation is. Even NIST didn't attempt to explain what was observed; they described things up to the point of collapse, and then don't explain a damn thing about the collapse, which is kind of strange since that's what they said their report would do. You should send them your pancake theory. And then you'd learn the hard way that it's not relevant anymore.

    Now for the fourth or fifth time, stop trying to push the idea that the intact core structure below the impact zone was a cause without an effect. It makes you look like you believe in magic.
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    And just so everyone can judge for themselves, they can look at the video from the 1:12 mark and see what you refer to as a "jolt averaged out."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGAofwkAOlo
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    Re: Here is something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sadling View Post
    And once again here you go talking about the floors pancaking when the pancake theory has been debunked by even NIST.

    ". . . jolt is averaged out"? What in hell does that mean. Watch the video. There's no jolt--averaged out or otherwise. I think you need to do some serious research into the core structure to find out just how silly your speculation is. Even NIST didn't attempt to explain what was observed; they described things up to the point of collapse, and then don't explain a damn thing about the collapse, which is kind of strange since that's what they said their report would do. You should send them your pancake theory. And then you'd learn the hard way that it's not relevant anymore.

    Now for the fourth or fifth time, stop trying to push the idea that the intact core structure below the impact zone was a cause without an effect. It makes you look like you believe in magic.
    The initial collapse was not pancaking, NIST clearly explains this concept of why the collapse continued. It is super ironic you use NIST to support stuff you failed to calculate or study. Irony. You debunk yourself, using NIST to attack my claim is silly, since NIST is the source of the data. Guess you failed to read NIST, guess 10,000 pages are too much to read; and might destroy the fantasy of CD.

    https://www.nist.gov/el/faqs-nist-wt...-investigation You did not read the faqs, which you can't debunk.

    oops, NIST says the floor fails due to be overloaded.

    Why is this not pancaking collapse. Because the initiation is not due to floor failure, the propagation of collapse is due to floor failure. Did you study NIST? No.

    For the nth time, the core and shell hold up floors; the floors fail when too much mass is placed on them. If you place carefully more than 29,000,000 pounds on a WTC floor, it fails. If the mass is moving, only 5 floors of mass is required to make a lower floor fail, almost instantly.

    Can you add up the connections for a floor, even NIST could, why can't you?

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    Re: Here is something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunzi View Post
    The initial collapse was not pancaking, NIST clearly explains this concept of why the collapse continued.

    oops, NIST says the floor fails due to be overloaded.
    NIST says:

    ". . . floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers."

    So, according to NIST, the floors sagged and pulled the perimeter columns inward, which led to collapse. I know that that probably satisfies you, but that's not very detailed if you ask me. But anyway, you're now of the opinion that the floor connections were not strong enough to keep the floors from disconnecting from the core and perimeter columns and falling, but were also strong enough to drag the core down with it. That's a contradictory position. How do you intend to adjust your thinking to resolve that conflict?

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    Re: Here is something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sadling View Post
    NIST says:

    ". . . floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers."

    So, according to NIST, the floors sagged and pulled the perimeter columns inward, which led to collapse. I know that that probably satisfies you, but that's not very detailed if you ask me. But anyway, you're now of the opinion that the floor connections were not strong enough to keep the floors from disconnecting from the core and perimeter columns and falling, but were also strong enough to drag the core down with it. That's a contradictory position. How do you intend to adjust your thinking to resolve that conflict?
    Yes, the truss connection to the shell could pull in the shell, and there is evidence. But the floors connections to the core were destoryed, and the floors fail, without the shell for lateral support the core was subject to the caotice collapse mass damaging the core, and the same mass was ripping up the shell in large sections. The collapse due to gravity was equal to more than 100 2,000 pound bombs, which you ignore.

    https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/f...McAllister.pdf
    oops, evidence, which is ignored

    And studies to support the claim. It is engineering, aka science.
    https://www.era.lib.ed.ac.uk/bitstre...629?sequence=1

    Did you watch the videos, the core was still standing after the floors were gone.

    Yes, you figured out how the WTC began to collapse, then the collapse continued because the floor failed after initiation. This is clear, and you can see this happened. And No Steel was damaged by explosives or thermite. Are you the mini-nuke fantasy?

    The core can't stand without the shell connected to it by the floors. Do you understand the structure of the WTC, no because you don't understand why the floors failed after collapse initiation. The shell was the lateral support for the WTC. You can look it up.

    It is like you don't know anything about the structure of the WTC.
    http://ws680.nist.gov/publication/ge...?pub_id=101043
    You failed to do more than make up lies about 9/11, and failed to study the WTC tower to understand your claims are bogus.

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    Re: Here is something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sadling View Post
    NIST says:

    ". . . floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers."

    So, according to NIST, the floors sagged and pulled the perimeter columns inward, which led to collapse. I know that that probably satisfies you, but that's not very detailed if you ask me. But anyway, you're now of the opinion that the floor connections were not strong enough to keep the floors from disconnecting from the core and perimeter columns and falling, but were also strong enough to drag the core down with it. That's a contradictory position. How do you intend to adjust your thinking to resolve that conflict?
    Have you ever read a detailed controlled demolition explanation? If so, would you provide a link to it.

    imo, NIST has done a more detailed description of the building failure than any other author proposing a controlled demolition explanation. It seems reasonable for NIST to describe a probable scenario rather than absolutes. No one knows for sure the extent of the internal damage done by the crash/impact and resulting fires.
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    Re: If you are dumb, evil, ignorant, crazy enough to believe the USGOCT, you believe in miracles![W:

    Quote Originally Posted by camlok View Post
    Post #556 shows that you are lying. I wrote,

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    Exactly, so what. Stuff falling on a building cannot induce free fall. There is only one thing known to mankind that can cause free fall in a steel framed high rise and that is controlled demolition. Case closed, james.

    We were discussing WTC7. To which you replied,

    jamesrage: Its called nearly 200 ton plane slamming into the building between 500 to 600 miles an hour and those stuff landing on surrounding buildings.
    Debris from a sky scrapper collapsing due to a nearly 200 ton plane slamming into the building between 500 to 600 miles an hour.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: If you are dumb, evil, ignorant, crazy enough to believe the USGOCT, you believe in miracles![W:

    Quote Originally Posted by camlok View Post
    Now that is clearly USGOCT conspiracy loon crap. Are you suggesting that we take your uninformed posts about the plane strikes as evidence that is better, more informed, more knowledgeable than the original designers of the twin towers?



    A little hint. Simply repeating something over and over and over doesn't help to make it true. That is not how evidence works.
    Birther-tard Truffer-tard nonsense is not evidence.Posting truffer-tard nonsense over and over again is not evidence.

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    Many planes have hit buildings that WERE NOT specifically designed for such an event and they are still standing.

    Then post the videos of those sky scrappers that are still standing today after having a nearly 200 ton plane slam into at 500 to 500 miles an hour.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: If you are dumb, evil, ignorant, crazy enough to believe the USGOCT, you believe in miracles![W:

    Quote Originally Posted by camlok View Post
    Still trolling I see.

    Why are you ignoring the US proprietary nanothermite that was found in WTC dust?

    Why are you ignoring the by products of that US proprietary nanothermite that was found in WTC dust?

    Why are you ignoring the molten/vaporized WTC structural steel that came from WTCs 1, 2 & 7 that was caused by the US proprietary nanothermite when the three towers were blown up?
    The claims of birther-tards truffer-tards of there being proprietary nanothermite at the scene is not evidence that there actually was any there. There was no theremite dust found.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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