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Las Vegas Shooting - Evidence of shooter on the ground

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volsrock said:
Do u know for a fact there was not a second shooter?
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No but I can count on the cops to spend hundreds if not thousands of man-hours "processing the crime scene", they really get into it, if that happened they will figure it out.
 
There are two different weapons firing in that video. One close, one far.
 
It was two WHITE terrorists/gun humpers, not just one ?

Really, it looks more like a policeman in a yellow vest to me.

:coffeepap

Guess no one ever accused the OP of being smart.
 
Thank you Volsrock, it certainly does appear that the individual was shooting. That bit of footage will be taken down quickly.

I'm still searching to find a count on rounds fired by brass counted. The casualty list seems finalized. What about the brass. They provided that number at The Pulse within days. Maybe releasing the number of rounds fired turned out to be a mistake?
 
It could be a shooter or [given the flash] a photographer.
 
WCH said:
It could be a shooter or [given the flash] a photographer.
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True, but the way he crouches and advances makes it look like he is shooting, not with a camera.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Why has this negativity been introduced into my life?
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Always whinging you petulant, conceited Americans. Try being a citizen of a country the US has illegally invaded, terrorized, ... .
 
WCH said:
It could be a shooter or [given the flash] a photographer.
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Wouldn't be all that bright an individual in either case, unless he was an accomplice and could be easily and surely identified by the hotel shooter.
 
I have a question for those who support the idea that the vid proves a second shooter.

What are you going to do with this knowledge of a second shooter?
Have you contacted any Law Enforcement organization with a copy of the vid and your analysis?

Would it not be better to wait till the investigation is done and is available for review before coming to conclusions?
 
mike2810 said:
I have a question for those who support the idea that the vid proves a second shooter.

What are you going to do with this knowledge of a second shooter?
Have you contacted any Law Enforcement organization with a copy of the vid and your analysis?

Would it not be better to wait till the investigation is done and is available for review before coming to conclusions?
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The conspiracy theorists will just put out anything and then ask others to disprove it....rather than prove it themselves...
 
mike2810 said:
I have a question for those who support the idea that the vid proves a second shooter.

What are you going to do with this knowledge of a second shooter?
Have you contacted any Law Enforcement organization with a copy of the vid and your analysis?

Would it not be better to wait till the investigation is done and is available for review before coming to conclusions?
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Pardon my skepticism regarding law enforcement conducting a full on investigation, but I'm rather jaded after San Bernardino. In that case law enforcement utterly ignored the evidence/testimony regarding the real shooters, the 3 athletic males seen by 2 different witnesses.

The fix is in Michael, the fix is in. Likely in this case too. I want to see the brass and I want a count for rounds fired. I'm betting I'll see neither. They really screwed up releasing that info at Pulse, and perhaps learned their lesson, if that is the case.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Pardon my skepticism regarding law enforcement conducting a full on investigation, but I'm rather jaded after San Bernardino. In that case law enforcement utterly ignored the evidence/testimony regarding the real shooters, the 3 athletic males seen by 2 different witnesses.

The fix is in Michael, the fix is in. Likely in this case too. I want to see the brass and I want a count for rounds fired. I'm betting I'll see neither. They really screwed up releasing that info at Pulse, and perhaps learned their lesson, if that is the case.
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I believe you were "jaded" long before that. Then who should do the investigation?

I know/known to many LEO to share your dark view.
 
Come on guys. The two individuals show in that video are security. They are wearing reflective vests that say security and are walking towards to incident. They crouch as a salvo is fired. They arent dropping into a shooters pose and firing.

Go o the 50 second mark in this video. Ignore the blah blah blah prior to the 50 second mark in the video.

 
mike2810 said:
I believe you were "jaded" long before that. Then who should do the investigation?

I know/known to many LEO to share your dark view.
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I'm with you Mike. I very much want to see a proper investigation, and that's why the comments of the chief are somewhat encouraging. It seems he wants to find the truth. I certainly hope he does find the truth.

The trouble is that less than a week later, the story is developing some holes.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I'm with you Mike. I very much want to see a proper investigation, and that's why the comments of the chief are somewhat encouraging. It seems he wants to find the truth. I certainly hope he does find the truth.

The trouble is that less than a week later, the story is developing some holes.
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What "holes" and how are they being reported?

I am suspect of any report coming out as "developing news". Too many want to just grab headlines.
 
mike2810 said:
What "holes" and how are they being reported?

I am suspect of any report coming out as "developing news". Too many want to just grab headlines.
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Too many to count at the moment Mike. Right now the most controversial IMO is the accountant's sharp-shooter at night skills. Plus, I still want to see the brass and hear an official count on rounds fired.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Too many to count at the moment Mike. Right now the most controversial IMO is the accountant's sharp-shooter at night skills. Plus, I still want to see the brass and hear an official count on rounds fired.
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What skills? A crowd of 20,000+ in a group. One could aim in the general direction and the odds of hitting someone would be pretty good.
Like someone else said, "shooting fish in a barrel".

Didn't expect you to list all of the holes you suspect. One or two would have been enough.
 
mike2810 said:
What skills? A crowd of 20,000+ in a group. One could aim in the general direction and the odds of hitting someone would be pretty good.
Like someone else said, "shooting fish in a barrel".

Didn't expect you to list all of the holes you suspect. One or two would have been enough.
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I'm not sure at all of your personal experience with weapons Mike, in the military or civilian.

I qualified US Army style with 3 rifles and one pistol, and I've fired many other private weapons in the "assault weapon" category. From the military experience, I know it's really tough beyond 200 yards, and that was during the day. Can't imagine it at night at the maximum range of a standard weapon firing bump-stock (we're told).

The uninitiated might not fully appreciate the skills and luck required. I get the fish in a barrel analogy, but the barrel was about 400 yards away, meaning that the round is dropping pretty good depending upon the round fired which we haven't even been told yet, and it was night. And all I've seen in the room so far is about 20 rounds.

This story is falling apart about as quickly as Pulse and San Bernardino did. Will anybody be able to rescue it, or is credulousness the only thing to keep the public on it?
 
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