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Charlottesville: Dems in Govt. may have set a trap for Unite-the-Right

WCH said:
Nor were the NeoNazis the only people there protesting it's removal.
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"... next it's gonna be George Washington, then Thomas Jefferson" - should have happened long ago. Why does the nation of 'all men are created equal" glorify purveyors of genocide and racism?
 
WCH said:
Who's celebrating anything. A memorial is just that.
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As I've often been told it celebrates a heritage. Do you believe that those statutes were erected as some sort of warning that these people represented the support for racism?

No one ever explained the Lenin statue in Seattle.
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Actually, someone did.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
As I've often been told it celebrates a heritage. Do you believe that those statutes were erected as some sort of warning that these people represented the support for racism?



Actually, someone did.
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Maybe you're listening to the wrong folks.

The Left and Right have different ideas about who the really bad people are.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
As I've often been told it celebrates a heritage. Do you believe that those statutes were erected as some sort of warning that these people represented the support for racism?



Actually, someone did.
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Maybe you're listening to the wrong folks.

The Left and Right have different ideas about who the really bad people are.
 
WCH said:
Maybe you're listening to the wrong folks.
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So, you do not believe that Confederate symbols do not celebrate a heritage? I've heard that a lot from southerners who reject that those symbols are racist in nature. Are you saying that they are wrong?

The Left and Right have different ideas about who the really bad people are.
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Sometimes. Thing is the REALLY bad people are often the extremists on both sides.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
So, you do not believe that Confederate symbols do not celebrate a heritage? I've heard that a lot from southerners who reject that those symbols are racist in nature. Are you saying that they are wrong?



Sometimes. Thing is the REALLY bad people are often the extremists on both sides.
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I look at them the same as I do headstones. [it's disrespectful to desecrate them] They were veterans of a war unlike any other... fought entirely by Americans against other Americans.

All this tear down of history serves nothing but to ignite the embers of that war.
 
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WCH said:
I look at them the same as I do headstones. [it's disrespectful to desecrate them] They were veterans of a war unlike any other... fought entirely by Americans against other Americans.

All this tear down of history serves nothing but to ignite the embers of that war.
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Well, that's how you look at them, which is different than many others.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
So, you do not believe that Confederate symbols do not celebrate a heritage? I've heard that a lot from southerners who reject that those symbols are racist in nature. Are you saying that they are wrong?

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I would not say they are wrong. It is their opinion. It is what they believe. Just as those who disagree that the symbols are racist in nature. It is their opinion.

Issues can arise when one takes past social values and apply todays social values to them. At one time it was perfectly acceptable to own slaves. It is not now. By todays values it is hard to image why anyone would have found it acceptable. Yet, back then many believed it was just fine. Different times, different values.
 
mike2810 said:
I would not say they are wrong. It is their opinion. It is what they believe. Just as those who disagree that the symbols are racist in nature. It is their opinion.

Issues can arise when one takes past social values and apply todays social values to them. At one time it was perfectly acceptable to own slaves. It is not now. By todays values it is hard to image why anyone would have found it acceptable. Yet, back then many believed it was just fine. Different times, different values.
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Very good an interesting point, one that is pretty objective and could be applied to either side.

I often support this position and remind people that believing blacks to be inferior back in the late 1700's, for example, didn't make someone racist at the time; it is unclear if presented with the current wealth of scientific evidence what some of those people would have believed. We NOW know that those beliefs are inaccurate and one believing them now would be racist, but can one really us current knowledge to assess the belief system of someone without that knowledge?
 
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