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MH17’s Shooting Down was the work of the CIA and Ukrainian secret service

Peter King said:
It is a big deal because clearly you are still spinning the same nonsense. Sorry but if you cannot talk reality there is very little reason to believe anything you claim about this case now is there.
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For the record Peter, I am not angry and I am not hostile and I am not offended that you or anybody else believes the official story. For me, this incident is more about propaganda techniques than it is about an airplane crash.

I have seen at least one interview with Udo Ulfkotte, the now deceased German journalist who exposed the role the CIA plays in European journalism. I get it, it's no mystery. There may be subtle differences between propaganda techniques in Europe compared to the US, but maybe not. After all, humans are humans. Hitler understood the role of propaganda in manipulating the public perception, and so did Woodrow Wilson and every public leader since, around the globe.

You won't be able to buy it in Europe, and I cannot buy it here in the US, but the title of his book is "Journalists For Hire: How the CIA Buys the News". Fair warning.

The MH17 incident was many things I suspect, but it was primarily a propaganda offensive meant to frame Russia. Considering the sequence of events, it was likely a payback too, but I digress.
 
Thoreau72 said:
For the record Peter, I am not angry and I am not hostile and I am not offended that you or anybody else believes the official story. For me, this incident is more about propaganda techniques than it is about an airplane crash.

I have seen at least one interview with Udo Ulfkotte, the now deceased German journalist who exposed the role the CIA plays in European journalism. I get it, it's no mystery. There may be subtle differences between propaganda techniques in Europe compared to the US, but maybe not. After all, humans are humans. Hitler understood the role of propaganda in manipulating the public perception, and so did Woodrow Wilson and every public leader since, around the globe.

The MH17 incident was many things I suspect, but it was primarily a propaganda offensive meant to frame Russia. Considering the sequence of events, it was likely a payback too, but I digress.
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You are wrong as usual
 
Thoreau72 said:
For the record Peter, I am not angry and I am not hostile and I am not offended that you or anybody else believes the official story. For me, this incident is more about propaganda techniques than it is about an airplane crash.

I have seen at least one interview with Udo Ulfkotte, the now deceased German journalist who exposed the role the CIA plays in European journalism. I get it, it's no mystery. There may be subtle differences between propaganda techniques in Europe compared to the US, but maybe not. After all, humans are humans. Hitler understood the role of propaganda in manipulating the public perception, and so did Woodrow Wilson and every public leader since, around the globe.

You won't be able to buy it in Europe, and I cannot buy it here in the US, but the title of his book is "Journalists For Hire: How the CIA Buys the News". Fair warning.

The MH17 incident was many things I suspect, but it was primarily a propaganda offensive meant to frame Russia. Considering the sequence of events, it was likely a payback too, but I digress.
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No, I am angry and hostile for all the crap and lies you have posted about the victims of the MH17, diminishing the suffering their loved ones still suffer on a daily basis after seeing their dads, children, brothers and sisters being shot to a crisp by a Russian BUK missile and some non-informed person denouncing the facts of the downing of MH17 because of something he claims to have "seen on TV". Well that is a much better source than the actual wreckage and forensic evidence gathered at the scene by trained Dutch police officers and forensic officers.

For me this whole discussion is about white-washing the Russian involvement for goodness knows what ever reason while smearing the memories of the deceased and their loved ones. You may think everything in conspiracy theories based on fabled tv images but the rest of us believe the facts. And Ulfkotte was speaking about a conspiracy theory about journalistic influencing of the German media, not the Dutch media nor the Dutch safety board or the Dutch prosecution. Which are the ones presenting the evidence.
 
Peter King said:
No, I am angry and hostile for all the crap and lies you have posted about the victims of the MH17, diminishing the suffering their loved ones still suffer on a daily basis after seeing their dads, children, brothers and sisters being shot to a crisp by a Russian BUK missile and some non-informed person denouncing the facts of the downing of MH17 because of something he claims to have "seen on TV". Well that is a much better source than the actual wreckage and forensic evidence gathered at the scene by trained Dutch police officers and forensic officers.

For me this whole discussion is about white-washing the Russian involvement for goodness knows what ever reason while smearing the memories of the deceased and their loved ones. You may think everything in conspiracy theories based on fabled tv images but the rest of us believe the facts. And Ulfkotte was speaking about a conspiracy theory about journalistic influencing of the German media, not the Dutch media nor the Dutch safety board or the Dutch prosecution. Which are the ones presenting the evidence.
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I'm not surprised Peter, that your appeal to emotion reveals your own emotions. That is very much what propagandists seek to accomplish. Become emotional and angry, and the average human will become irrational. You're playing into their hands.

I prefer the analytical approach, looking at the big picture, which includes deception and cover-up by the US and its NATO allies. They must make the Russians look bad so that the NATO mission and mischief can be justified in the view of emotional, not rational, people. :peace
 
Thoreau72 said:
I'm not surprised Peter, that your appeal to emotion reveals your own emotions. That is very much what propagandists seek to accomplish. Become emotional and angry, and the average human will become irrational. You're playing into their hands.

I prefer the analytical approach, looking at the big picture, which includes deception and cover-up by the US and its NATO allies. They must make the Russians look bad so that the NATO mission and mischief can be justified in the view of emotional, not rational, people. :peace
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Except I am not peddling propaganda, that would be YOU and only YOU. You continuously post pro-Russia propaganda without any basis for it.

And I am not angry because of propaganda from my side, I am angry because you demean and insult the victims of this crime while claiming all kinds of bull crap claims based on F all.

You do not approach anything analytical, you approach things from a bull crap and nonsense point of view. You have no clue about the big picture and you posts are reeking of deception and lies. And you are the opposite of a rational person.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I'm citing it, I have cited it, I've provided a link to Global Research, I saw it myself.
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Global Research is a well known anti-US and conspiracy website.

Try again.
 
Peter King said:
Except I am not peddling propaganda, that would be YOU and only YOU. You continuously post pro-Russia propaganda without any basis for it.

And I am not angry because of propaganda from my side, I am angry because you demean and insult the victims of this crime while claiming all kinds of bull crap claims based on F all.

You do not approach anything analytical, you approach things from a bull crap and nonsense point of view. You have no clue about the big picture and you posts are reeking of deception and lies. And you are the opposite of a rational person.
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You are peddling it ONLY in the sense that you defend it here as being truthful. No, you did not originate it, but you keep it alive in various ways, including your blatant appeal to emotion by invoking the deaths of the passengers. I'm really sorry people had to die for the sake of a false flag against the Russians, but that did not enter into my analysis of what I saw, and what I read at non-msm sites.

My analysis was conducted in the time shortly after the event itself, when pictures and video were fresh and had not been pulled, like the BBC piece. Your analysis, apparently, is based only upon what the MSM told you, including the Bellingcat people working for the NATO crowd.
 
Thoreau72 said:
You are peddling it ONLY in the sense that you defend it here as being truthful. No, you did not originate it, but you keep it alive in various ways, including your blatant appeal to emotion by invoking the deaths of the passengers. I'm really sorry people had to die for the sake of a false flag against the Russians, but that did not enter into my analysis of what I saw, and what I read at non-msm sites.

My analysis was conducted in the time shortly after the event itself, when pictures and video were fresh and had not been pulled, like the BBC piece. Your analysis, apparently, is based only upon what the MSM told you, including the Bellingcat people working for the NATO crowd.
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You havent done ANY analysis you have just regurgitated nonsense from known liars
 
Thoreau72 said:
You are peddling it ONLY in the sense that you defend it here as being truthful. No, you did not originate it, but you keep it alive in various ways, including your blatant appeal to emotion by invoking the deaths of the passengers. I'm really sorry people had to die for the sake of a false flag against the Russians, but that did not enter into my analysis of what I saw, and what I read at non-msm sites.

My analysis was conducted in the time shortly after the event itself, when pictures and video were fresh and had not been pulled, like the BBC piece. Your analysis, apparently, is based only upon what the MSM told you, including the Bellingcat people working for the NATO crowd.
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You analysis is based on nothing but your own imagination, that is it.

And I have never read anything from Bellingcat and I do not care about Bellingcat, I care about facts (unlike you). And FYI, pictures and fresh videos prove nothing. Just because you are so easily misled by what you think are facts and the truth is your problem. You did not have any real evidence at your disposal and you know nothing of any substance at all.
 
Quag said:
Heck of a lot more honest than you or Global Research
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History does not in any way support your nonsense, quag. The Pentagon, aka the US military, an arm of the war criminal/terrorist US government has been doing the bidding of those aforementioned gangsters for as long as the US has been a "nation".

Global Research is made up of many academics, the honest ones who are willing to take on the lyingest government/country in the world, the USA.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Global Research is a well known anti-US and conspiracy website.

Try again.
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Everybody is anti-USA!!! It's a world wide conspiracy against the USA, for what? The US has never ever done anything wrong. It's the kindest, most generous, most benevolent nation that has ever existed.

Might you not want to consider the actual research that these long standing academics, reporters, people who care about others actually write?
 
The words of Sydney Schanberg many years ago are relevant to this MH17 false flag deception: We Americans are the ultimate innocents. We are forever desperate to believe that this time the US government is telling us the truth.

Sad but true.

When everything the American people believe is false, we can judge the success of our misinformation efforts.
 
Thoreau72 said:
The words of Sydney Schanberg many years ago are relevant to this MH17 false flag deception: We Americans are the ultimate innocents. We are forever desperate to believe that this time the US government is telling us the truth.

Sad but true.

When everything the American people believe is false, we can judge the success of our misinformation efforts.
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:lamo
 
Everything they believe? Everything?:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
Quag said:
You are wrong as usual
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Do you doubt the CIA will fund media, newspapers etc to report what the CIA wants? There is documented proof of it occurring in Chile

El Mercurio received funds from the CIA in the early 1970s to undermine the Socialist government of Salvador Allende, acting as a mouthpiece for anti-Allende propaganda.[2]

Declassified documents that detail US interventions in Chile revealed the paper's role,[3] and the extent of the paper’s cooperation with the CIA:

“Throughout the 1960s, the CIA poured funds into Chile’s largest—and staunchly right-wing—newspaper, El Mercurio, putting reporters and editors on the payroll, writing articles and columns for placement and providing additional funds for operating expenses. After the paper’s owner, Agustín Edwards came to Washington in September 1970 to lobby Nixon for action against Allende, the CIA used El Mercurio as a key outlet for a massive propaganda campaign as part of Track I and Track II. Throughout Allende’s aborted tenure, the paper continued an unyielding campaign, running countless virulent, inflammatory articles and editorials exhorting opposition against—and at times even calling for the overthrow of—the Popular Unity government. " [4] (p. 91-92)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Mercurio

In Portugal
https://books.google.com/books?id=n...v=onepage&q=Aginter Press and the CIA&f=false


It is not a conspiracy theory if it is true
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Do you doubt the CIA will fund media, newspapers etc to report what the CIA wants? There is documented proof of it occurring in Chile



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Mercurio

In Portugal
https://books.google.com/books?id=n...v=onepage&q=Aginter Press and the CIA&f=false


It is not a conspiracy theory if it is true
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The CIA most definitely does not do that now excuse me while I go cash my cheque from Clives Insurance Adjustors for that thing that happened a while back
 
Quag said:
The CIA most definitely does not do that now excuse me while I go cash my cheque from Clives Insurance Adjustors for that thing that happened a while back
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Right, the CIA has reformed and no longer does what it was good at

It certainly would not have tried it in 2002 in Venezuela ( in which the coup attempt events play out similar to what happened in Chile in 1972)

So today we only have Russia using the media in foreign countries to manipulate public opinion in those countries. Never the CIA at least not now
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Right, the CIA has reformed and no longer does what it was good at

It certainly would not have tried it in 2002 in Venezuela ( in which the coup attempt events play out similar to what happened in Chile in 1972)

So today we only have Russia using the media in foreign countries to manipulate public opinion in those countries. Never the CIA at least not now
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I'm hoping that is tongue-in-cheek....;)
 
Thoreau72 said:
I'm hoping that is tongue-in-cheek....;)
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Very fully in cheek.

The CIA helped organize the color revolutions in former USSR countries. It has not stopped trying to overthrow government
 
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