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Americans! Don't be naive and manipulated![W:17]

Kurmugeon

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I have only a few doubts that the NSA REPORT was leaked by this person to the press.

I have very strong suspicious it was done by manipulation of the leaker by people around her, who were/are working for the NSA and the Deep State. She was USED!

Just because this REPORT was marked "Classified", and leaked, when it should not have been....

Does NOT mean that the content of the REPORT is neccessarily TRUE and Accurrate!

We, the American People, may be being manipulated into believing that the Contents of the report are VALID, simply because it was leaked!


I worked in the Government producing reports for awhile... and I can assure you!:


Being in a Report, being marked classified, and being Leaked .... and being full, accurate, and validated are not always the same thing!

Do NOT assume, just because the NSA report was classified and leaked, that the contents of the Report are valid!

Remember who is writing that report!

I have great doubts about the veriacity of the claims made in the report... and ANYONE in the organization can write a report that claims whatever... No PROOF needed!



Do the Claims being made in that report make sense and seem crediable to your gut instinct about what the Russians could do, and if they could do such, what would they do with that power?!!!

Does the claims of the Report, setting aside the source and marking, make SENSE!?


If the Russian had such power, how would they have used it in 2016?

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Kurmugeon said:
I have only a few doubts that the NSA REPORT was leaked by this person to the press.

I have very strong suspicious it was done by manipulation of the leaker by people around her, who were/are working for the NSA and the Deep State. She was USED!

Just because this REPORT was marked "Classified", and leaked, when it should not have been....

Does NOT mean that the content of the REPORT is neccessarily TRUE and Accurrate!

We, the American People, may be being manipulated into believing that the Contents of the report are VALID, simply because it was leaked!


I worked in the Government producing reports for awhile... and I can assure you!:


Being in a Report, being marked classified, and being Leaked .... and being full, accurate, and validated are not always the same thing!

Do NOT assume, just because the NSA report was classified and leaked, that the contents of the Report are valid!

Remember who is writing that report!

I have great doubts about the veriacity of the claims made in the report... and ANYONE in the organization can write a report that claims whatever... No PROOF needed!



Do the Claims being made in that report make sense and seem crediable to your gut instinct about what the Russians could do, and if they could do such, what would they do with that power?!!!

Does the claims of the Report, setting aside the source and marking, make SENSE!?


If the Russian had such power, how would they have used it in 2016?

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Whoa! This is great stuff!
You're pointing to big doin's here. Do you have a guess about what the intentions behind all this are? Or who the master-mind might be?
 
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In first leak case of Trump administration, 25-year-old Georgia woman is arrested by FBI - LA Times

June 5, 2017, 7:47 p.m.
Washington
Contractor is charged with leaking top-secret document about Russian hacking

A woman who worked as a records contractor for the federal government has been arrested on charges of turning over a secret document to a news organization, the first arrest of an alleged leaker by the Trump administration.

The woman, Reality Leigh Winner, 25, of Augusta, Ga., was arrested over the weekend, the Justice Department said Monday.

According to an affidavit, Winner admitted providing the document to a news organization. Although the document and the media company were not identified in the affidavit, the announcement of the arrest came just hours after the Intercept published a National Security Agency analysis that concluded that Russian hackers were able to penetrate an American technology company that works with voter data.

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This is the Report referenced in the OP.

Such big news, if the contents of the report are true, I didn't think I really needed to make a reference, in the General Politics Seciton, but for those who want it... here you go!

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Grand Mal said:
Whoa! This is great stuff!
You're pointing to big doin's here. Do you have a guess about what the intentions behind all this are? Or who the master-mind might be?
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Does the OP understand that this was the current administrations nsa that created the leaked report
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Does the OP understand that this was the current administrations nsa that created the leaked report
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The current NSA which is still filled with 8 years of Obama's people.

We already know Brennan, head of the CIA, LIED to U.S. to protect the Democrats, Hillary and Obama!

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Here is an article which comes from the Guardian, not exactly a right wing publication, which should have everyone doubting anything said by any of our current Intel agencies:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-john-brennan-lied-senate

CIA director John Brennan lied to you and to the Senate. Fire him

Trevor Timm

As reports emerged Thursday that an internal investigation by the Central Intelligence Agency’s inspector general found that the CIA “improperly” spied on US Senate staffers when researching the CIA’s dark history of torture, it was hard to conclude anything but the obvious: John Brennan blatantly lied to the American public. Again.

“The facts will come out,” Brennan told NBC News in March after Senator Dianne Feinstein issued a blistering condemnation of the CIA on the Senate floor, accusing his agency of hacking into the computers used by her intelligence committee’s staffers. “Let me assure you the CIA was in no way spying on [the committee] or the Senate,” he said.

After the CIA inspector general’s report completely contradicted Brennan’s statements, it now appears Brennan was...
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So, just because it comes from an Intel Agency, does not mean that the Report contained the TRUTH, or the whole Truth, or anything but Rumors and Lies.

Any document can be marked as Classified, if it meets the needs of the agency in question.

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Kurmugeon said:
Here is an article which comes from the Guardian, not exactly a right wing publication, which should have everyone doubting anything said by any of our current Intel agencies:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-john-brennan-lied-senate



So, just because it comes from an Intel Agency, does not mean that the Report contained the TRUTH, or the whole Truth, or anything but Rumors and Lies.

Any document can be marked as Classified, if it meets the needs of the agency in question.

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That article has nothing to do with the NSA documents that were leaked to the intercept.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
That article has nothing to do with the NSA documents that were leaked to the intercept.
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Sure it does.

It shows how the Obama administration corrupted America's Intel agencies.

It shows that what we are seeing from the NSA may be nothing but more of the same Obama Admin. manipulation!

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I remember quite clearly how the Lefties Smeared and Jeered the NSA, and the CIA, when they claimed Iraq had WMD!

But that was back before Obama had 8 years to fill the agency with people loyal to the Leftie cause, wasn't it....
 
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Kurmugeon said:
I have only a few doubts that the NSA REPORT was leaked by this person to the press.

I have very strong suspicious it was done by manipulation of the leaker by people around her, who were/are working for the NSA and the Deep State. She was USED!

Just because this REPORT was marked "Classified", and leaked, when it should not have been....

Does NOT mean that the content of the REPORT is neccessarily TRUE and Accurrate!

We, the American People, may be being manipulated into believing that the Contents of the report are VALID, simply because it was leaked!


I worked in the Government producing reports for awhile... and I can assure you!:


Being in a Report, being marked classified, and being Leaked .... and being full, accurate, and validated are not always the same thing!

Do NOT assume, just because the NSA report was classified and leaked, that the contents of the Report are valid!

Remember who is writing that report!

I have great doubts about the veriacity of the claims made in the report... and ANYONE in the organization can write a report that claims whatever... No PROOF needed!



Do the Claims being made in that report make sense and seem crediable to your gut instinct about what the Russians could do, and if they could do such, what would they do with that power?!!!

Does the claims of the Report, setting aside the source and marking, make SENSE!?


If the Russian had such power, how would they have used it in 2016?

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Spamming crap again I see.

Fortunately, most people in here aren't as naive as you believe them to be.
 
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People are asking, is this "Report" a setup?

We don't know.

I am saying that the issue of it being an actual classified report, is probably, but not assured, to be true.

I am saying that the document was probably leaked by the person being accused.

I am saying that the person who leaked it is very young and idealistic, and probably did not think through the full consequences of her actions, and may have been "Coached" into making the release for purposes of manipulation.

I am saying that the validity of the CLAIMS being made inside the report are a completely separate issue, to the validity of the claims about who the leaker was, and if the document was an actual Classified Document. Just because it is a Classified Documents, does not mean the contents of that document are true, or even close to the truth!

I am saying that we have seen multiple instances of Obama Era appointed / hired people within the Intelegence agencies have been caught in Lies, Deceptions, Law Breaking, and Manipulation ALREADY, so we should veiw this report, VERY, VERY, Skeptically.

It might turn out, after significant investigation, that every word of the report is true, but the accusations of who leaked it, are completely false!

Or, we might discover, that the leaker identity was true, but the contents of the report are completely bogus.

Or both could be true, or both could be false.


The two issues are not inherently tied together in veracity!

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There are allot of attempts being made distract this thread off onto tangents.


The subject of THIS thread, is the observation that the veracity of the information of the existence of a classified NSA report and the leaking of that report to the press, is NOT inherently linked to the veracity of the information inside the NSA report.

The subject of this thread, is the attempts being made to claim that the document was real, and the leaker was correctly identified, therefore the information inside the report is very damning to the Trump admistration, because it claims the Russians rigged the election.

The Point of the OP, is that the Document Existing, and being classified, and having been leaked is one issue, which can be verfied by a number of different means.

The accuracy of the claims being made inside the report, about the Russians having hacked the computer systems, and therefore having complete control over the election, is a completely separate issue.

Proving the first issue, does NOTHING to prove the Second issue!

And it appears that those within the NSA, who are in direct, very motivated opposition to Trump, are trying to link the two, in the minds of the American public.

Anyone at the NSA can create a report that says, "xyzetimbetews... Whatever!" and get marked classified. The document can then be illegally leaked to the press.

Just because you can prove the document was illegally leaked, does not mean that the content of that report is proven!

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Another conspiracy theory to percolate the bubble.
 
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JackA said:
Another conspiracy theory to percolate the bubble.
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No.

I warning to avoid being manipulated by the MSM and the Intel agencies, by allowing conflation of the veracity of a Leak, with the veracity of the content of the leaked information.

The two are separate issues.

That's not a CT, that's a common sense approach to reviewing news stories.

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Kurmugeon said:
No.

I warning to avoid being manipulated by the MSM and the Intel agencies, by allowing conflation of the veracity of a Leak, with the veracity of the content of the leaked information.

The two are separate issues.

That's not a CT, that's a common sense approach to reviewing news stories.

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Your assertion that the leaker was "USED" (your caps) is nothing but a CT.
 
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Since this is now a CT matter, I'll go on record stating my belief that this NSA report was a setup. A tempting bit of bait hoping to catch a fish. It worked.

Now we have a leaker who very well could spend the next 20 years of her life behind bars and the rest of her life after that reduced to minimum wage jobs.

And we have a message sent to other actual and wannabe leakers to think twice before acting.
 
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Kurmugeon said:
There are allot of attempts being made distract this thread off onto tangents.


The subject of THIS thread, is the observation that the veracity of the information of the existence of a classified NSA report and the leaking of that report to the press, is NOT inherently linked to the veracity of the information inside the NSA report.

The subject of this thread, is the attempts being made to claim that the document was real, and the leaker was correctly identified, therefore the information inside the report is very damning to the Trump admistration, because it claims the Russians rigged the election.

The Point of the OP, is that the Document Existing, and being classified, and having been leaked is one issue, which can be verfied by a number of different means.

The accuracy of the claims being made inside the report, about the Russians having hacked the computer systems, and therefore having complete control over the election, is a completely separate issue.

Proving the first issue, does NOTHING to prove the Second issue!

And it appears that those within the NSA, who are in direct, very motivated opposition to Trump, are trying to link the two, in the minds of the American public.

Anyone at the NSA can create a report that says, "xyzetimbetews... Whatever!" and get marked classified. The document can then be illegally leaked to the press.

Just because you can prove the document was illegally leaked, does not mean that the content of that report is proven!

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I thought you made yourself perfectly clear in Post #1.

For other folks, it contained too much truth for them to process I guess.
 
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Think about it. Over seventy illegal US invasions of sovereign nations since WWII, [the ultimate war crime] tens of millions slaughtered, terrorism that collectively is much greater than all the rest combined, massive rapes of those invaded, gook hockey, more MyLai's than you can shake a stick at, genocides galore, ... .

If the citizens of the US weren't so thoroughly brainwashed, there would be so many leaks that it would look like ten dams bursting.
 
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Kurmugeon said:
Here is an article which comes from the Guardian, not exactly a right wing publication, which should have everyone doubting anything said by any of our current Intel agencies:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-john-brennan-lied-senate



So, just because it comes from an Intel Agency, does not mean that the Report contained the TRUTH, or the whole Truth, or anything but Rumors and Lies.

Any document can be marked as Classified, if it meets the needs of the agency in question.

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Well that is where american society is now isn't it. There is no truth, just endless chaos and background noise while the soceital wealth extraction continues unabated.
 
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camlok said:
Think about it. Over seventy illegal US invasions of sovereign nations since WWII, [the ultimate war crime] tens of millions slaughtered, terrorism that collectively is much greater than all the rest combined, massive rapes of those invaded, gook hockey, more MyLai's than you can shake a stick at, genocides galore, ... .

If the citizens of the US weren't so thoroughly brainwashed, there would be so many leaks that it would look like ten dams bursting.
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Coming from you, that's hysterically funny. Your fantasy world must really suck for you and the two other people who live in it.

You babbling on and on about "gook hockey" really reflects a lot about you, that (A) you think war crimes from close to fifty years ago now where the US Army court martialed the officer responsible reflect on America in any way, shape or form; (B) that you are so historically ignorant that your accusations don't hold water(for example, when you embarrassed yourself by not knowing how the Khmer Rouge came to power, as usual blaming it on America while missing the blindingly obvious point that if the Vietnamese had not invaded Cambodia in the first place to aid the Khmer Rouge there was no way for them to have taken power at all); and (C) that you are so out of date that you spew age old conspiracy theories born out of a desperate, pathological need to blame America for everything wrong in the world.

I'll be chuckling at you--- if I think of you at all, which is unlikely--- when I'm officially a marine and we are taking down various and sundry oppressive regimes.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
You babbling on and on about "gook hockey" really reflects a lot about you, that (A) you think war crimes from close to fifty years ago now where the US Army court martialed the officer responsible reflect on America in any way, shape or form;
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Who was/were the guys court martialed for gook hockey?

No one should consciously choose to be a war criminal and a terrorist.
 
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camlok said:
Who was/were the guys court martialed for gook hockey?

No one should consciously choose to be a war criminal and a terrorist.
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Judging from how you support war criminals and terrorists across the globe, I'd say you are jealous of groups like the Taliban.

No one shoud blindly support brutal dictatorships and terrorist networks.

Once again, I can't wait till I'm officially a Marine. Hell, one day as a Marine and I'll have accomplished more for the world than you've done in your entire life.
 
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