Who Killed Hoffa?

Putting this in CT because one of the theories clearly is CT. I'll throw that one out first.

1. The CIA, NSA, FBI and all the other usual suspects coming from the "government did it" crowd.
Pretty good case could be made that Hoffa knew too much. And, with Hoffa about to challenge Nixon's imposed lifetime ban barring him from returning to lead the Teamsters upon being pardoned, there is a lot of motive.

Apparently, there was a lot of incriminating evidence found in the Nixon tapes which could serve as ammunition for Hoffa to win a case overturning the ban. Specifically there is on tape a backroom deal between Nixon and Fitz, the Teamsters president at the time, who wanted to keep Hoffa out of the running. And, that would have opened up many more cans of worms, as the video shows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfbTmK1fVVk

2. Anthony Giacalone, Detroit Mob "Street Boss"
This is my chief suspect. Not only because he was the guy with the power to order the hit, but also because that's where much of the evidence points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8e7TidxuO4

3. The Irishman, Frank Sheeran.
The only person to confess to the murder. But, if you ask me, he confessed to a lot of things that seem a little over the top.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sheeran

4. He's not dead, just living the high life on some Pacific island full of young maidens.

Who cares? It's ancient history. :mrgreen:

calamity said:

4. He's not dead, just living the high life on some Pacific island full of young maidens.

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****!!! What gave me away?

The law says no body, no murder.

rhinefire said:

The law says no body, no murder.

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Not always. Sometimes they find blood evidence or other fragments of DNA and use that to show someone was murdered. But, no evidence of murder, no murder. And, right now, there is no evidence that Hoffa was murdered except that he went poof.

One of the videos in the op said that they traced down a car and the dogs found Hoffa's scent in the back seat and trunk. But, that is not exactly proof of anything concrete.

calamity said:

Not always. Sometimes they find blood evidence or other fragments of DNA and use that to show someone was murdered. But, no evidence of murder, no murder. And, right now, there is no evidence that Hoffa was murdered except that he went poof.

One of the videos in the op said that they traced down a car and the dogs found Hoffa's scent in the back seat and trunk. But, that is not exactly proof of anything concrete.

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I usually look at ALL Hollywood movies as fiction. But I have seen the movie Hoffa, and while I am sure the 'events' were fictitious I am pretty sure the conclusion is accurate. Hoffa pissed off the Mafia, and he ended up 'sleeping with the fishes'.

Back then a BIG Mafia no-no was publicity. And Hoffa was drawing a lot of publicity and threatened to go public even more.

SenorXm/Sirius said:

I usually look at ALL Hollywood movies as fiction. But I have seen the movie Hoffa, and while I am sure the 'events' were fictitious I am pretty sure the conclusion is accurate. Hoffa pissed off the Mafia, and he ended up 'sleeping with the fishes'.

Back then a BIG Mafia no-no was publicity. And Hoffa was drawing a lot of publicity and threatened to go public even more.

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Definitely has all the hallmarks of a Mafia hit: gone without a trace. What's missing though is the leaks from rats or FBI surveillance. That is the only part I find odd---but, if you read up on the Detroit mob, you'll see they were not as much infiltrated as the NY or Chicago organizations. Detroit mob has played it much closer to the vest. They are very choosy on who they bring in, and usually require lifelong relationships to be made: "if you didn't know him when he was sucking on his mother's teat, we don't know him."

calamity said:

Definitely has all the hallmarks of a Mafia hit: gone without a trace.

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A big joke for YEARS was that Hoffa was under the end zone buried in concrete at Giant's stadium in NJ. The Mafia being big in construction and concrete in NY and NJ and all.

Giants punter Sean Landeta had the best line about it....

"It gives a whole new meaning to kicking into the coffin corner."

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SenorXm/Sirius said:

A big joke for YEARS was that Hoffa was under the end zone buried in concrete at Giant's stadium in NJ. The Mafia being big in construction and concrete in NY and NJ and all.

Giants punter Sean Landeta had the best line about it....

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Yeah, I remember that rumor and Landeta's joke.

My guess is they didn't take the body very far from where they kidnapped and killed him.

In January 2013, reputed gangster Tony Zerilli implied that Hoffa was originally buried in a shallow grave, with the plan that his remains would later be moved to a second location. Zerilli contends that these plans were abandoned, and Hoffa's remains lay in a field in northern Oakland County, Michigan, not far from the restaurant where he was last seen. Zerilli denied any responsibility for or association with Hoffa's disappearance.[38] On June 17, 2013, the Zerilli information led to a property in Oakland Township in northern Oakland county owned by Detroit mob boss Jack Tocco.[39] After three days, the FBI called off the dig. No human remains were found, and the case remains open.[40]

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As for the "mystery," it's not much of one.

On June 16, 2006, the Detroit Free Press published in its entirety the so-called "Hoffex Memo", a 56-page report the FBI prepared for a January 1976 briefing on the case at FBI Headquarters in Washington, D.C. Although not claiming to conclusively establish the specifics of his disappearance, the memo indicates that law enforcement's belief is that Hoffa was murdered at the behest of organized crime figures who deemed his efforts to regain power within the Teamsters was a threat to their control of the union's pension fund.[35] The FBI has called the report the definitive account of what agents believe happened to Hoffa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa#Disappearance

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calamity said:

Yeah, I remember that rumor and Landeta's joke.

My guess is they didn't take the body very far from where they kidnapped and killed him.



As for the "mystery," it's not much of one.

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Yep.. Again he pissed off the Mafia, and he craved publicity. 1 or the other is dangerous. Both is almost a certain death penalty.

SenorXm/Sirius said:

Yep.. Again he pissed off the Mafia, and he craved publicity. 1 or the other is dangerous. Both is almost a certain death penalty.

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He was 62 at the time of his disappearance. I will never understand why he did not just enjoy his retirement, especially after being warned off by the mob. Make a few bucks selling book rights, and move to Florida to catch some sharks and marlin.