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The 1965 decision.

Tigerace117 said:
What, you missed it the first time?
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Just point to your source.

While we are waiting.

4. Khmer Rouge: Henry Kissinger: “How many people did (Khmer Rouge Foreign Minister Ieng Sary) kill? Tens of thousands? You should tell the Cambodians (i.e., Khmer Rouge) that we will be friends with them. They are murderous thugs, but we won’t let that stand in the way. We are prepared to improve relations with them. Tell them the latter part, but don’t tell them what I said before.” (Nov. 26, 1975 meeting with Thai foreign minister)


The Top 10 Most Inhuman Henry Kissinger Quotes | Alternet
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Tigerace117 said:
Which, of course, ignores the reality that the Khmer Rouge were propped up by the Vietnamese invading Cambodia and setting up bases there.
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You have got this completely ass backwards.

On the Side of Pol Pot: U.S. Supports Khmer Rouge

by Jack Colhoun

Covert Action Quarterly magazine, Summer 1990


For the last eleven years the United States government, in a covert operation born of cynicism and hypocrisy, has collaborated with the genocidal Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. More specifically, Washington has covertly aided and abetted the Pol Potists' guerrilla war to overthrow the Vietnamese backed government of Prime Minister Hun Sen, which replaced the Khmer Rouge regime.


The U.S. government's secret partnership with the Khmer Rouge grew out of the U.S. defeat in the Vietnam War. After the fall of Saigon in 1975, the U.S.-worried by the shift in the Southeast Asian balance of power-turned once again to geopolitical confrontation. It quickly formalized an anti-Vietnamese, anti-Soviet strategic alliance with China-an alliance whose disastrous effects have been most evident in Cambodia. For the U.S., playing the "China card" has meant sustaining the Khmer Rouge as a geopolitical counterweight capable of destabilizing the Hun Sen government in Cambodia and its Vietnamese allies.


When Vietnam intervened in Cambodia and drove the Pol Potists from power in January 1972, Washington took immediate steps to preserve the Khmer Rouge as a guerrilla movement. International relief agencies were pressured by the U.S. to provide humanitarian assistance to the Khmer Rouge guerrillas who fled into Thailand. For more than a decade, the Khmer Rouge have used the refugee camps they occupy as military bases to wage a contra-war in Cambodia. According to Linda Mason and Roger Brown, who studied the relief operations in Thailand for Cambodian refugees:


...relief organizations supplied the Khmer Rouge resistance movement with food and medicines.... In the Fall of 1979 the Khmer Rouge were the most desperate of all the refugees who came to the Thai-Kampuchean border. ... Yet Thailand, the country that hosted the relief operation, and the U.S. government, which funded the bulk of the relief operations, insisted that the Khmer Rouge be fed.

US supports Pol Pot
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Tigerace117 said:
You mean the same Khmer Rouge that were propped up by the North Vietnamese?

The "brutal right wing dictator" was already in charge in Indonesia. You forgot that he was previously a brutal left wing dictator sponsoring insurgents in his neighboring country of Malaysia, but following defeat in that conflict he moved hard to the right and purged his previous supporters to save face.
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The Vietnamese never supported Pol Pot/the Khmer Rouge. They were the ones that drove them out of Cambodia into Thailand refugee camps after the Vietnamese had sent the invading hordes of Americans packing.

It was the US that supported these monsters, as is the usual case, the US supporting monsters that they install.

The US massive saturation bombing of Cambodia is what brought Pol Pot to power. That in and of itself was a massive war crime, admitted to by Kissinger, ordered by the war criminal Nixon.
 
camlok said:
You have got this completely ass backwards.
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Sorry bud, but without the Vietnamese invasion Pol Pot never could have taken power in Cambodia to begin with. A foreign country taking over the eastern half of Cambodia weakened the government just enough to let the Khmer Rouge take over.
 
camlok said:
The Vietnamese never supported Pol Pot/the Khmer Rouge. They were the ones that drove them out of Cambodia into Thailand refugee camps after the Vietnamese had sent the invading hordes of Americans packing.

It was the US that supported these monsters, as is the usual case, the US supporting monsters that they install.

The US massive saturation bombing of Cambodia is what brought Pol Pot to power. That in and of itself was a massive war crime, admitted to by Kissinger, ordered by the war criminal Nixon.
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Yes they did. They were the ones who put him on the throne in the first place. It was a big part of why they invaded Cambodia in the first place.

Later on the Khmer Rouge sided with China over Vietnam, so the Vietnamese decided to do something about their uppity puppets.

If there had never been a North Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia Pol Pot never could have come to power in the first place.

It must be exhausting being that bad at history.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Sorry bud, but without the Vietnamese invasion Pol Pot never could have taken power in Cambodia to begin with. A foreign country taking over the eastern half of Cambodia weakened the government just enough to let the Khmer Rouge take over.
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You can't read either.

"When Vietnam intervened in Cambodia and drove the Pol Potists from power in January 1972, Washington took immediate steps to preserve the Khmer Rouge as a guerrilla movement. International relief agencies were pressured by the U.S. to provide humanitarian assistance to the Khmer Rouge guerrillas who fled into Thailand."

Bombs Over Cambodia: New Light on US Air War
by
Taylor Owen & Ben Kiernan

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In 1975, Pol Pot's genocidal Khmer Rouge forces took power in Cambodia after a massive U.S. bombing campaign there. New information reveals that Cambodia was bombed far more heavily during the Vietnam War than previously believed -- and that the bombing began not under Richard Nixon, but under Lyndon Johnson.

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Exceeding the World War II Payload

The data released by [Bill] Clinton shows the total payload dropped during these years to be nearly five times greater than the generally accepted figure. To put the revised total of 2,756,941 tons into perspective, the Allies dropped just over 2 million tons of bombs during all of World War II, including the bombs that struck Hiroshima and Nagasaki: 15,000 and 20,000 tons, respectively. Cambodia may well be the most heavily bombed country in history.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2007/05/13/bombs-over-cambodia-new-light-us-air-war
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camlok said:
You can't read either.

"When Vietnam intervened in Cambodia and drove the Pol Potists from power in January 1972, Washington took immediate steps to preserve the Khmer Rouge as a guerrilla movement. International relief agencies were pressured by the U.S. to provide humanitarian assistance to the Khmer Rouge guerrillas who fled into Thailand."
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Of course, you fail miserably. You don't want to admit that the North Vietnamese are the ones who propped up the Khmer Rouge in the first place, so you jump to what happened after the Khmer Rouge sided with China.

Here's what actually happened.

"In mid 1963 Saloth Sar and his followers, facing arrest by Cambodian government forces, fled the capital Phnom Penh. They relocated to remote north-east Cambodia and linked up with their North Vietnamese and Viet Cong allies. With Vietnamese support, the Khmer Rouge established a base camp. Under Sar’s leadership the party became more militant and radical. In 1966 the WPK was reformed again as the Communist Party of Kampuchea (CPK). Its explicit aim became revolution rather than political reform. Like the followers of Mao Zedong in China, the CPK abandoned traditional Marxist ideology. The only path to a classless, communal society, its leaders argued, was to empower Cambodia’s peasant farmers and eradicate all vestiges of Western influence, intellectualism and technology. During the mid 1960s the CPK worked on recruiting, training its members and gathering arms and supplies."

The Khmer Rouge - Vietnam War
 
Tigerace117 said:
Of course,

From your own source:

"Widespread opposition to Lon Nol, as well as the fatalities and damage caused by American bombing, helped increased popular support for the Khmer Rouge."

The US supported Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. You have Henry Kissinger cozying up to them. You have the US ordering US aid destined for real refugees given to Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.

You have 1.4 times the bombs of all of WWII dropped on Cambodia by the USA. Now that is highly illustrative of a benevolent and kind country, isn't it?

Can't wait to sign up and go "shake and bake" [US Trademark] some children in some poor defenseless country?
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camlok said:
Of course,

From your own source:

"Widespread opposition to Lon Nol, as well as the fatalities and damage caused by American bombing, helped increased popular support for the Khmer Rouge."

The US supported Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. You have Henry Kissinger cozying up to them. You have the US ordering US aid destined for real refugees given to Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.

You have 1.4 times the bombs of all of WWII dropped on Cambodia by the USA. Now that is highly illustrative of a benevolent and kind country, isn't it?

Can't wait to sign up and go "shake and bake" [US Trademark] some children in some poor defenseless country?
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Only problem buddy is, once again, if the North Vietnamese hadn't invaded Cambodia in the first place there would be no bombing raids.

You seem utterly unable to grasp that fact.

Yep, we should have let your idols in the Viet Cong and Khmer Rouge just prop up their dicatatorship and wipe out the Cambodian people. That way your hero Noam could have blithely gone on denying what was happening in Cambodia.

Can't wait to stop the people you idolize from butchering their own people. It'll be fun listening to you cry over yet more regimes which were crushed before they could oppress their people anymore.
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calamity said:
They all decided to make cheap T-Shirts for US consumers and lived happily ever after?
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American banks hired them in their customer service phone rooms.
 
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